Why you guys are so concerned if someone was elected or not, neither Caamano nor Imbert were elected but if you look at every history facts on the Dominican Republic, even the one from the CIA, you will find that even though there was an existing war in those days, they represented two different sides that were governing the country, even if you don't like one or the other, so facts are facts and cheap discussions won't erase those facts, and by the way Pena Gomez was never elected to the presidency bu he is recognized as an "stateman" and one of the persons that more cooperated with dominican democracy even if you guys don't like the fact that he was "black", I wish we could have had more Pena Gomez instead of the bunch of organized thieves we have today, so put those facts in your history books : Caamano and Imbert they are both recognized as being Presidents and Pena Gomez wasn't because of the fact that Balaguer jointly with Washington committed fraud to prevent him from being President !
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Greatest Dominican President
Caama?o was a great man, great patriot, great hero of Latin America and the world....a free man who stood up against the odds to fight for freedom.
Those of you who call him and those who like him names, your logic is very faulty, it can be easily turned around and anyone can call YOU names for not liking him......you are not the majority of the world, just of this forum....so get that into your thick heads...
Caama?o will always be in the heart of every Dominican.....
Those of you who call him and those who like him names, your logic is very faulty, it can be easily turned around and anyone can call YOU names for not liking him......you are not the majority of the world, just of this forum....so get that into your thick heads...
Caama?o will always be in the heart of every Dominican.....
Diablo Rojo !
Thanks for your patriotic reply in reference to my former commander in chief, the late former dominican president Caamano, he will always live in the hearts of the real dominicans and will always be criticized by the ignorants and servants of the imperialists, thanks again !
Thanks for your patriotic reply in reference to my former commander in chief, the late former dominican president Caamano, he will always live in the hearts of the real dominicans and will always be criticized by the ignorants and servants of the imperialists, thanks again !
General,
I'm disappointed in you - writing from Miami to complain about the "servants of the imperialists". I would have thought that you'd see the irony in such a statement.
I have no problem in creating a hero out of Caamano. Just try not to smoke too much of your own pot.
I would have supported Caamano in '65 as a way to get Juan Bosch back, but not in '70. Coming from Cuba and beholden to Castro. Absolutely hopeless!
As for the imperialists, well, though I know that there is systemic economic exploitation by the wealthy nations, compared to other developing countries the DR does not handle itself well. To some extent we must admit that, to borrow from Pogo, "we have seen the enemy, and he is us."
I'm disappointed in you - writing from Miami to complain about the "servants of the imperialists". I would have thought that you'd see the irony in such a statement.
I have no problem in creating a hero out of Caamano. Just try not to smoke too much of your own pot.
I would have supported Caamano in '65 as a way to get Juan Bosch back, but not in '70. Coming from Cuba and beholden to Castro. Absolutely hopeless!
As for the imperialists, well, though I know that there is systemic economic exploitation by the wealthy nations, compared to other developing countries the DR does not handle itself well. To some extent we must admit that, to borrow from Pogo, "we have seen the enemy, and he is us."
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Caama?o never betrayed the cause of a free Dominican Republic, the Cuban Revolution which aided him did so because Cuba has always aided the freedom seeking heroes of the continent...Castro is a beloved leader for a reason, the world admires him for his anti-imperialist stand, and the imperialists hate him because even with embargos, threats, sabotage, CUBA SURVIVES AND STANDS PROUDLY! Caama?o will always be our beloved comandante....the imperialists hate Castro for a reason, and got rid of Caama?o for the same reason, they were afraid of their message of freedom and progress, afraid that if truly left to choose......no one would choose the path chosen for them by the imperialists! HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!
diablorojo said:
Has anybody read a more ridiculous statement on DR1?
I know many Dominicans who chuckle when anyone mentions the name of that loser!
Don't even get me started on Castro. Not worth the time.
Tony C said:
Actually, yes. Diablo just posted the entire PRD platform on another thread in this forum, implying that it has some significance.
Dominican Presidents since Trujillito......you learn this if you have an EDUCATION! To those of you who deny Caama?o ever being president 
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Rafael Leonidas Trujillo Molina
H?ctor Bienvenido Trujillo Molina
Joaqu?n Antonio Balaguer Ricardo
Huberto Carlos Bogaert Rom?n
Rafael Filiberto Bonelly Fondeur
Juan Emilio Bosch Gavi?o
V?ctor Elby Vi?as Rom?n
Emilio de los Santos
Donald Joseph Reid Cabral
Jos? Rafael Molina Ure?a
Pedro Bartolom? Benoit Vanderhorst
Antonio Cosme Imbert Barrera
Francisco Alberto Caama?o De??
H?ctor Federico Garc?a-Godoy C?ceres
Joaqu?n Antonio Balaguer Ricardo
Silvestre Antonio Guzm?n Fern?ndez
Jacobo Majluta Azar
Salvador Jorge Blanco
Joaqu?n Antonio Balaguer Ricardo
Leonel Antonio Fern?ndez Reyna
Rafael Hip?lito Mej?a Dom?nguez
!Rafael Leonidas Trujillo Molina
H?ctor Bienvenido Trujillo Molina
Joaqu?n Antonio Balaguer Ricardo
Huberto Carlos Bogaert Rom?n
Rafael Filiberto Bonelly Fondeur
Juan Emilio Bosch Gavi?o
V?ctor Elby Vi?as Rom?n
Emilio de los Santos
Donald Joseph Reid Cabral
Jos? Rafael Molina Ure?a
Pedro Bartolom? Benoit Vanderhorst
Antonio Cosme Imbert Barrera
Francisco Alberto Caama?o De??
H?ctor Federico Garc?a-Godoy C?ceres
Joaqu?n Antonio Balaguer Ricardo
Silvestre Antonio Guzm?n Fern?ndez
Jacobo Majluta Azar
Salvador Jorge Blanco
Joaqu?n Antonio Balaguer Ricardo
Leonel Antonio Fern?ndez Reyna
Rafael Hip?lito Mej?a Dom?nguez
PORFIO_RUBIROSA !
I will always stand by Caamano's beliefs and no one will make that change because I don't sell my dignity and my honor to the highest bidder like most dominicans, I will always be what I'm and that will never change and by the way in my days in DR, I grew up "potless", if you smoke that, is your prerrogative but do not insinuate that with my person, remember I belong to the "baby boom" generation of the 40's and 50"s, never will I be like today's youth so if you like that enjoy it, not me !
I will always stand by Caamano's beliefs and no one will make that change because I don't sell my dignity and my honor to the highest bidder like most dominicans, I will always be what I'm and that will never change and by the way in my days in DR, I grew up "potless", if you smoke that, is your prerrogative but do not insinuate that with my person, remember I belong to the "baby boom" generation of the 40's and 50"s, never will I be like today's youth so if you like that enjoy it, not me !
LET ME THROW THIS ONE IN TOO ABOUT CAAMANO'S PRESIDENCY !
Dominican Republic
http://www.presidencia.gov.do/
United with Haiti 1795-1808 and 1822-1843, Independent Republic 18.11.1844, united with Spain 18.03.1861-05.05.1865
(Presidents) Pedro Santana (1801-1863) 21.02.1844-1848
Manuel Jim?nez 1848-1849
Pedro Santana (2nd term) 1849
Buenaventura Baez (1810-1884) 1849-15.02.1853
Pedro Santana (3rd term) 15.02.1853-06.1856
Manuel de Regla Motta 06.1856-06.10.1856
Buenaventura Baez (2nd term) 06.10.1856-12.06.1858
Jos? Desiderio Valverde 12.06.1858-31.01.1859
Pedro Santana (4th term) 31.01.1859-05.1861
Antonio Pimentel 01.05.1865-11.1865
Buenaventura Baez (3rd term) 14.11.1865-29.06.1866
Jos? Mar?a Cabral (until 1866 rival president) 1865-05.1868
Buenaventura Baez (4th term) 05.1868-31.12.1873
Ignacio Gonz?lez 27.02.1874-23.02.1876
Ulises Francisco Espaillet (1823-1878) 29.06.1876-11.1876
Ignacio Gonzalez (2nd term) 11.1876-12.1876
Buenaventura Baez (5th term) 12.1876-24.02.1878
Ces?reo Guillermo 12.04.1878-09.12.1879
Gregorio Luper?n 12.1879-1880
Hernando Arturo de Merino (1833-1906) 12.10.1880-07.1884
Ulises Heureaux (1845-1899) 20.07.1884-1885
Francesco Gregorio Billini (1838-1898) 1885-1887
Ulises Heureaux (2nd term) 1887-26.07.1899
Juan Wanceslao Figuereo 01.08.1899-31.08.1899
Horacio V?squez (1855-1936) 01.09.1899-14.11.1899
Juan Isidro Jim?nez (1846-1919) 19.11.1899-02.05.1902
Horacio V?squez (2nd term) 02.05.1902-23.03.1903
Alejandro Woss y Gil 27.04.1903-20.11.1903
Juan Isidro Jim?nez (2nd term) 28.12.1903-02.04.1904
Carlos Morales (1867-1914) 19.06.1904-12.01.1906
Ram?n Cac?res (1868-1911) 12.01.1906-19.11.1911
Eladio Victoria 02.12.1911-28.11.1912
Archbishop Adolfo Nouel (1862-1937) 01.12.1912-01.03.1913
Jos? Bordas 13.04.1913-13.04.1914
Juan Isidro Jim?nez (3rd term) 27.08.1914-05.12.1914
Federico Henriquez (1848-1922) 16.05.1916-06.10.1922
Juan Bautista Vicini Burgos (-1924) 10.1922-12.07.1924
Horacio V?squez (3rd term) 12.07.1924-18.02.1930
Rafael Estrella Urena 02.03.1930-16.08.1930
Rafael Le?nida Trujillo (1891-1961) 18.08.1930-18.06.1938
Jacinto Bienvenido Reynado (1878-1940) 18.06.1938-07.03.1940
Manuel Troncoso de la Concha 12.03.1940-05.1942
Rafael Le?nida Trujillo (2nd term) 05.1942-16.05.1952
Hector B. Trujillo (1909) 16.05.1952-03.08.1960
Joaqu?n Videla Balaguer (1907-2002) 03.08.1960-31.12.1961
Rafael Bonelly (1904) 01.01.1962-17.01.1962
Humberto Bogaert 17.01.1962-19.01.1962
Rafael Bonelly (2nd term) 19.01.1962-27.02.1963
Juan Bosch Gavino (1909) 27.02.1963-25.09.1863
Emilio de los Santos 26.09.1963-22.12.1963
Donald Reid Cabral 22.12.1963-24.04.1965
Elias Wessin y Wessin 28.04.1965-11.05.1965
Antonio Imbert Barreras 07.05.1965-30.08.1965
Francisco Caamano (constutional government) 25.04.1965-03.09.1965
Hector Garc?a Godoy (1921) 03.09.1965-01.07.1966
Joaqu?n Videla Balaguer (2nd term) 01.07.1966-16.08.1978
Antonio Guzm?n Fern?ndez (1911-1982) 16.08.1978-04.07.1982
Salvador Jorge Blanco (1926) 16.08.1982-16.08.1986
Joaqu?n Videla Balaguer (3rd term) 16.08.1986-16.08.1996
Leonel Fern?ndez Reyna (1953) 16.08.1996-16.08.2000
Hip?lito Mej?a (1941) 16.08.2000-
Take a good look at the word "constitutional government" next to Caamano's presidency name and keep on saying that he wasn't president !
Dominican Republic
http://www.presidencia.gov.do/
United with Haiti 1795-1808 and 1822-1843, Independent Republic 18.11.1844, united with Spain 18.03.1861-05.05.1865
(Presidents) Pedro Santana (1801-1863) 21.02.1844-1848
Manuel Jim?nez 1848-1849
Pedro Santana (2nd term) 1849
Buenaventura Baez (1810-1884) 1849-15.02.1853
Pedro Santana (3rd term) 15.02.1853-06.1856
Manuel de Regla Motta 06.1856-06.10.1856
Buenaventura Baez (2nd term) 06.10.1856-12.06.1858
Jos? Desiderio Valverde 12.06.1858-31.01.1859
Pedro Santana (4th term) 31.01.1859-05.1861
Antonio Pimentel 01.05.1865-11.1865
Buenaventura Baez (3rd term) 14.11.1865-29.06.1866
Jos? Mar?a Cabral (until 1866 rival president) 1865-05.1868
Buenaventura Baez (4th term) 05.1868-31.12.1873
Ignacio Gonz?lez 27.02.1874-23.02.1876
Ulises Francisco Espaillet (1823-1878) 29.06.1876-11.1876
Ignacio Gonzalez (2nd term) 11.1876-12.1876
Buenaventura Baez (5th term) 12.1876-24.02.1878
Ces?reo Guillermo 12.04.1878-09.12.1879
Gregorio Luper?n 12.1879-1880
Hernando Arturo de Merino (1833-1906) 12.10.1880-07.1884
Ulises Heureaux (1845-1899) 20.07.1884-1885
Francesco Gregorio Billini (1838-1898) 1885-1887
Ulises Heureaux (2nd term) 1887-26.07.1899
Juan Wanceslao Figuereo 01.08.1899-31.08.1899
Horacio V?squez (1855-1936) 01.09.1899-14.11.1899
Juan Isidro Jim?nez (1846-1919) 19.11.1899-02.05.1902
Horacio V?squez (2nd term) 02.05.1902-23.03.1903
Alejandro Woss y Gil 27.04.1903-20.11.1903
Juan Isidro Jim?nez (2nd term) 28.12.1903-02.04.1904
Carlos Morales (1867-1914) 19.06.1904-12.01.1906
Ram?n Cac?res (1868-1911) 12.01.1906-19.11.1911
Eladio Victoria 02.12.1911-28.11.1912
Archbishop Adolfo Nouel (1862-1937) 01.12.1912-01.03.1913
Jos? Bordas 13.04.1913-13.04.1914
Juan Isidro Jim?nez (3rd term) 27.08.1914-05.12.1914
Federico Henriquez (1848-1922) 16.05.1916-06.10.1922
Juan Bautista Vicini Burgos (-1924) 10.1922-12.07.1924
Horacio V?squez (3rd term) 12.07.1924-18.02.1930
Rafael Estrella Urena 02.03.1930-16.08.1930
Rafael Le?nida Trujillo (1891-1961) 18.08.1930-18.06.1938
Jacinto Bienvenido Reynado (1878-1940) 18.06.1938-07.03.1940
Manuel Troncoso de la Concha 12.03.1940-05.1942
Rafael Le?nida Trujillo (2nd term) 05.1942-16.05.1952
Hector B. Trujillo (1909) 16.05.1952-03.08.1960
Joaqu?n Videla Balaguer (1907-2002) 03.08.1960-31.12.1961
Rafael Bonelly (1904) 01.01.1962-17.01.1962
Humberto Bogaert 17.01.1962-19.01.1962
Rafael Bonelly (2nd term) 19.01.1962-27.02.1963
Juan Bosch Gavino (1909) 27.02.1963-25.09.1863
Emilio de los Santos 26.09.1963-22.12.1963
Donald Reid Cabral 22.12.1963-24.04.1965
Elias Wessin y Wessin 28.04.1965-11.05.1965
Antonio Imbert Barreras 07.05.1965-30.08.1965
Francisco Caamano (constutional government) 25.04.1965-03.09.1965
Hector Garc?a Godoy (1921) 03.09.1965-01.07.1966
Joaqu?n Videla Balaguer (2nd term) 01.07.1966-16.08.1978
Antonio Guzm?n Fern?ndez (1911-1982) 16.08.1978-04.07.1982
Salvador Jorge Blanco (1926) 16.08.1982-16.08.1986
Joaqu?n Videla Balaguer (3rd term) 16.08.1986-16.08.1996
Leonel Fern?ndez Reyna (1953) 16.08.1996-16.08.2000
Hip?lito Mej?a (1941) 16.08.2000-
Take a good look at the word "constitutional government" next to Caamano's presidency name and keep on saying that he wasn't president !
HAVE SOME MORE CAAMANO, THIS TIME IN SPANISH !
Francisco Alberto Caama?o De??
(1932-1973) Militar y pol?tico. Ingres? a la Marina de Guerra en 1949, terminando sus estudios navales en 1952. Efectu? cursos de entrenamiento en Estados Unidos en 1954, y en Panam? y en su pa?s, entre 1954 y 1960. Fue trasladado a la Policia Nacional con rango de mayor en 1960, siendo designado jefe de adiestramiento y comandante de efectivos contramotines en 1962. En esa posici?n comand? la acci?n de Palma Sola, donde fue herido. En 1964, con rango de teniente coronel, ocup? la comandancia de Radio Patrulla. Ese mismo a?o, se uni? al grupo conspirativo que dirigi? el coronel Fern?ndez Dom?nguez, que ten?a como objetivo el derrocamiento del r?gimen de facto de Reid Cabral y el retorno al orden constitucional desaparecido en sept. de 1963, cuando fue derribado el gobierno de Juan Bosch. Al estallar la revuelta del 24 de Abril de 1965, Caama?o ocup? una posici?n de importancia y tres d?as despu?s, tom? la direcci?n militar. Pero con la excusa de que el movimiento constitucionalista estaba dominado por los comunistas, las fuerzas militares de Estados Unidos invadieron nuestro pa?s. Caama?o, por su don de mando y valent?a en la lucha contra las tropas extranjeras, surgi? entonces, como el m?ximo l?der.
Momentos antes del estallido del movimiento constitucionalista, de abril de 1965, Caama?o era un simple oficial sin ning?n renombre. Su papel durante esa acci?n lo convirti? en un aut?ntico l?der nacional.
El 3 de mayo, fue designado por el Congreso, Presidente de la Rep?blica. El conflicto pol?tico y militar culmin? el 3 de septiembre de 1965, con la firma del Acta de Reconciliaci?n y luego de varios atentados (entre otros, el brutal ataque que recibi? cuando se encontraba en Santiago en el Hotel Mat?n, el 19 de diciembre de ese a?o, junto a varios compa?eros) acept? en 1966 salir del pa?s como agregado militar en Londres, Inglaterra. En 1967 abandon? su cargo y viaj? a Cuba, donde inici? entrenamiento guerrillero con la idea de ingresar en territorio dominicano para comenzar una nueva guerra de liberaci?n nacional. Con tales prop?sitos, desembarc? el 3 de febrero de 1973, por Playa Caracoles, con un grupo de nueve hombres. Muri? pocos d?as despu?s, junto a Heberto G. Lalane y Alfredo P?rez Vargas, en Niza?to, San Jos? de Ocoa, el 16 de febrero de ese a?o.
Francisco Alberto Caama?o De??
(1932-1973) Militar y pol?tico. Ingres? a la Marina de Guerra en 1949, terminando sus estudios navales en 1952. Efectu? cursos de entrenamiento en Estados Unidos en 1954, y en Panam? y en su pa?s, entre 1954 y 1960. Fue trasladado a la Policia Nacional con rango de mayor en 1960, siendo designado jefe de adiestramiento y comandante de efectivos contramotines en 1962. En esa posici?n comand? la acci?n de Palma Sola, donde fue herido. En 1964, con rango de teniente coronel, ocup? la comandancia de Radio Patrulla. Ese mismo a?o, se uni? al grupo conspirativo que dirigi? el coronel Fern?ndez Dom?nguez, que ten?a como objetivo el derrocamiento del r?gimen de facto de Reid Cabral y el retorno al orden constitucional desaparecido en sept. de 1963, cuando fue derribado el gobierno de Juan Bosch. Al estallar la revuelta del 24 de Abril de 1965, Caama?o ocup? una posici?n de importancia y tres d?as despu?s, tom? la direcci?n militar. Pero con la excusa de que el movimiento constitucionalista estaba dominado por los comunistas, las fuerzas militares de Estados Unidos invadieron nuestro pa?s. Caama?o, por su don de mando y valent?a en la lucha contra las tropas extranjeras, surgi? entonces, como el m?ximo l?der.
Momentos antes del estallido del movimiento constitucionalista, de abril de 1965, Caama?o era un simple oficial sin ning?n renombre. Su papel durante esa acci?n lo convirti? en un aut?ntico l?der nacional.
El 3 de mayo, fue designado por el Congreso, Presidente de la Rep?blica. El conflicto pol?tico y militar culmin? el 3 de septiembre de 1965, con la firma del Acta de Reconciliaci?n y luego de varios atentados (entre otros, el brutal ataque que recibi? cuando se encontraba en Santiago en el Hotel Mat?n, el 19 de diciembre de ese a?o, junto a varios compa?eros) acept? en 1966 salir del pa?s como agregado militar en Londres, Inglaterra. En 1967 abandon? su cargo y viaj? a Cuba, donde inici? entrenamiento guerrillero con la idea de ingresar en territorio dominicano para comenzar una nueva guerra de liberaci?n nacional. Con tales prop?sitos, desembarc? el 3 de febrero de 1973, por Playa Caracoles, con un grupo de nueve hombres. Muri? pocos d?as despu?s, junto a Heberto G. Lalane y Alfredo P?rez Vargas, en Niza?to, San Jos? de Ocoa, el 16 de febrero de ese a?o.
NO ONE WAS LIKE HIM, THE LAST GREAT DOMINICAN WARRIOR !
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Re: PORFIO_RUBIROSA !
Comandante,
What exactly were Caamanos's beliefs? Can you elaborate? I mean in detail - not just trite references like "he was for the freedom of the Dominican people against the imperialists". Was he for alignment with Cuba? Alignment with the US? Was he for redistribution of wealth? Land reform? Nationalization of foreign-owned industries? Foreign investment? Infrastructure priorities? A planned economy? More centralized or less centralized government? Education? Elimination of the armed forces? Professionalization of the police? Judicial reform? Anti-corruption?
Did he want the reestablishment of the Bosch government or did he want to govern himself?
As for the "pot" remark, it was intended as an english langauge metaphor for when a salesman begins to believe his own sales pitch without reservation even though he should well know his product is not perfect. Or like when a bartender gets drunk on the liquor that he is supposed to be selling. I apologize since slang and idioms are often the hardest subtleties of a foreign language to understand.
The point was that, from my perspective, it would be helpful to use the heroic image of someone like Caamano to rally the people in their fight against their own corrupt political class and international monetary/trade institutions (today's exploitationist dogs)(sort of like Chavez' use of the name Bolivar in Venezuela). However, educated people should not fall into the trap of a traditional Latin American "personality cult".
PAULINOABRIL65 said:
Comandante,
What exactly were Caamanos's beliefs? Can you elaborate? I mean in detail - not just trite references like "he was for the freedom of the Dominican people against the imperialists". Was he for alignment with Cuba? Alignment with the US? Was he for redistribution of wealth? Land reform? Nationalization of foreign-owned industries? Foreign investment? Infrastructure priorities? A planned economy? More centralized or less centralized government? Education? Elimination of the armed forces? Professionalization of the police? Judicial reform? Anti-corruption?
Did he want the reestablishment of the Bosch government or did he want to govern himself?
As for the "pot" remark, it was intended as an english langauge metaphor for when a salesman begins to believe his own sales pitch without reservation even though he should well know his product is not perfect. Or like when a bartender gets drunk on the liquor that he is supposed to be selling. I apologize since slang and idioms are often the hardest subtleties of a foreign language to understand.
The point was that, from my perspective, it would be helpful to use the heroic image of someone like Caamano to rally the people in their fight against their own corrupt political class and international monetary/trade institutions (today's exploitationist dogs)(sort of like Chavez' use of the name Bolivar in Venezuela). However, educated people should not fall into the trap of a traditional Latin American "personality cult".
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Re: Re: PORFIO_RUBIROSA !
That not even our General can answer.
During the civil war, his call was to restore Bosch to power. That was never fulfilled as they got their asses kicked.
But think about it this way, when he invaded in 1973, he and Juan Bosch had already noticeably distanced themselves. He was here to take power from a (want it or not)legitimately recognized government and give it to whom? Someone else? Raiight
Porfio_Rubirosa said:
That not even our General can answer.
During the civil war, his call was to restore Bosch to power. That was never fulfilled as they got their asses kicked.
But think about it this way, when he invaded in 1973, he and Juan Bosch had already noticeably distanced themselves. He was here to take power from a (want it or not)legitimately recognized government and give it to whom? Someone else? Raiight
Greatest Dominican President????
I am at a loss to believe that anyone can call any of the past Presidents of the Dominican Republic "Great"!
None of those cited by "El Generalismo" could occupy that synonym in it's true definition.
"Great" means to virtually stand out above all others in stature. None of the past Presidents have occupied such a position unless you wish to redefine the meaning of the word.
Of all, the "Tuujillo" bunch, including the so-called "Imortal" Balaguer stand out, but only through such a definition as to be the "greatest" crooks against their own people, subjecting them to fear, remorsefulness, and corruption. Of robbing them of their birthrights, their property, and their self-respect to the point of becoming wandering zombies in their own land. The legacy of the Trujillo years still lives in the minds of the Dominicans today. Government is applied through fear, coercion, and downright bullying by the beaurocrats who occupy the offices of government.
So, how do we define "Great" in the light of previous(and current) performers? Do we cite their accomplishments sociologically, economically, or ideologically? To attempt to define any of them or their accomplishments(barring rhetoric), we must first establish a baseline from which all are compared logically and therefore disregard symbolisms that lead nowhere.
This country has a history of perpetual, periodic, bloodletting like no other. It's as if each person has a death wish, particularly those in power. It has only been in the last 10-15 years that there has been any letup in that type of syndrome. Since Balaguer left office. Perhaps he is the last of the "Great"?
Let us hope and pray that the future holds a more tranquil atmosphere for the survivors.
I remain,
Texas Bill
I am at a loss to believe that anyone can call any of the past Presidents of the Dominican Republic "Great"!
None of those cited by "El Generalismo" could occupy that synonym in it's true definition.
"Great" means to virtually stand out above all others in stature. None of the past Presidents have occupied such a position unless you wish to redefine the meaning of the word.
Of all, the "Tuujillo" bunch, including the so-called "Imortal" Balaguer stand out, but only through such a definition as to be the "greatest" crooks against their own people, subjecting them to fear, remorsefulness, and corruption. Of robbing them of their birthrights, their property, and their self-respect to the point of becoming wandering zombies in their own land. The legacy of the Trujillo years still lives in the minds of the Dominicans today. Government is applied through fear, coercion, and downright bullying by the beaurocrats who occupy the offices of government.
So, how do we define "Great" in the light of previous(and current) performers? Do we cite their accomplishments sociologically, economically, or ideologically? To attempt to define any of them or their accomplishments(barring rhetoric), we must first establish a baseline from which all are compared logically and therefore disregard symbolisms that lead nowhere.
This country has a history of perpetual, periodic, bloodletting like no other. It's as if each person has a death wish, particularly those in power. It has only been in the last 10-15 years that there has been any letup in that type of syndrome. Since Balaguer left office. Perhaps he is the last of the "Great"?
Let us hope and pray that the future holds a more tranquil atmosphere for the survivors.
I remain,
Texas Bill
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In regards to Presidents, past and present...
For those people who said that Trujillo is the best leader this country has ever seen, I can see that you know NOTHING about Dominican history. If so, you'd recognize him for what he was--a godless, merciless, bloody dictator with no regard for human life or human rights and freedoms. What else can you say about a man who had everyone who didn't agree with him shot to death, a man who lived off the people and the wealth of the country, who demanded that a picture of himself be put into every home, ABOVE any picture of the Holy Virgin or JesusChrist, as if he was better? He had the audacity to demand that the Catholic Church proclaim him as a holy Saint and Paladin (which, thankfully, the Catholic Church didn't concede to). He kept a vigil eye on his country, and ruled with an iron fist, having everyone that had even a slight hint of opinion differences killed. My father used to pull guard duty on the weekends from dusk 'til dawn at a church in La Vega in order to preserve the live of Monsignor Panal, an old priest whose only crime was to speak of the injustice that Trujillo had brought down upon his country.
And, as for Juan Bosch, whoever said that he got rid of all the national debt in a matter of months, well, he or she was right. However, you can't just go and change things overnight... things like that take time. Although Bosch is inmensely intelligent--a true intellectual in his time--, and his intentions were well-placed, he tried to pay off all the debt--and succeeded--but, it proved to be devastating for the country's economy. It's not that the price of rice and beans went up to painful levels, it's that there WERE no rice and beans to buy. We just didn't have any thing left after paying off all our debts. Lots of people went hungry during that time. It was a time of crisis. That's why the poor man didn't last in office for long.
I can't honestly say whether we've truly had a great president in this country. I believe that our founding father, Juan Pablo Duarte, is the only one that can come truly close to holding that title, though he was never a president of our country (something else I will never understand...).
Dios, Patria y Libertad!
Anita
For those people who said that Trujillo is the best leader this country has ever seen, I can see that you know NOTHING about Dominican history. If so, you'd recognize him for what he was--a godless, merciless, bloody dictator with no regard for human life or human rights and freedoms. What else can you say about a man who had everyone who didn't agree with him shot to death, a man who lived off the people and the wealth of the country, who demanded that a picture of himself be put into every home, ABOVE any picture of the Holy Virgin or JesusChrist, as if he was better? He had the audacity to demand that the Catholic Church proclaim him as a holy Saint and Paladin (which, thankfully, the Catholic Church didn't concede to). He kept a vigil eye on his country, and ruled with an iron fist, having everyone that had even a slight hint of opinion differences killed. My father used to pull guard duty on the weekends from dusk 'til dawn at a church in La Vega in order to preserve the live of Monsignor Panal, an old priest whose only crime was to speak of the injustice that Trujillo had brought down upon his country.
And, as for Juan Bosch, whoever said that he got rid of all the national debt in a matter of months, well, he or she was right. However, you can't just go and change things overnight... things like that take time. Although Bosch is inmensely intelligent--a true intellectual in his time--, and his intentions were well-placed, he tried to pay off all the debt--and succeeded--but, it proved to be devastating for the country's economy. It's not that the price of rice and beans went up to painful levels, it's that there WERE no rice and beans to buy. We just didn't have any thing left after paying off all our debts. Lots of people went hungry during that time. It was a time of crisis. That's why the poor man didn't last in office for long.
I can't honestly say whether we've truly had a great president in this country. I believe that our founding father, Juan Pablo Duarte, is the only one that can come truly close to holding that title, though he was never a president of our country (something else I will never understand...).
Dios, Patria y Libertad!
Anita
diablorojo said:Dominican Presidents since Trujillito......you learn this if you have an EDUCATION! To those of you who deny Caama?o ever being president
Rafael Leonidas Trujillo Molina
H?ctor Bienvenido Trujillo Molina
Joaqu?n Antonio Balaguer Ricardo
Huberto Carlos Bogaert Rom?n
Rafael Filiberto Bonelly Fondeur
Juan Emilio Bosch Gavi?o
V?ctor Elby Vi?as Rom?n
Emilio de los Santos
Donald Joseph Reid Cabral
Jos? Rafael Molina Ure?a
Pedro Bartolom? Benoit Vanderhorst
Antonio Cosme Imbert Barrera
Francisco Alberto Caama?o De??
H?ctor Federico Garc?a-Godoy C?ceres
Joaqu?n Antonio Balaguer Ricardo
Silvestre Antonio Guzm?n Fern?ndez
Jacobo Majluta Azar
Salvador Jorge Blanco
Joaqu?n Antonio Balaguer Ricardo
Leonel Antonio Fern?ndez Reyna
Rafael Hip?lito Mej?a Dom?nguez
Hey, you forgot Peynado and Troncoso, who are indeed recognized by the government as legitimate Presidents...
http://www.presidencia.gov.do/ingles/Galeria/galeriaindex2.htm
... just thought I'd let you know. Before you go on posting things, make sure they're complete and correct.
However, it is quite true. Caama?o was a President, and a damn good one. So everyone who says otherwise need to hit the books again.
Dios, Patria y Libertad!
Anita
Anita Blake said:
I know I'm going to regret asking this, but, why was Caamano a "damned good" President - given that he had a "term" of less than two months and presided exclusively over a roughly 50 square block area of La Capital?
Viva Quisqueya! Viva Presidente! Viva Bohemia! Viva Brugal! etc, etc.
Porfirio
I dont particularly care for Camaa?o or the likes, in my opinion he was just another trigger happy, dumb ass, PRD military guy.
But bare with me for a second, If Hipolito Mejia governed for only two months and his government engulfed only a 50 block area, would he be a Damn good president too? :bored:
I dont particularly care for Camaa?o or the likes, in my opinion he was just another trigger happy, dumb ass, PRD military guy.
But bare with me for a second, If Hipolito Mejia governed for only two months and his government engulfed only a 50 block area, would he be a Damn good president too? :bored: