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Greatest Dominican President
Porfio_Rubirosa said:
That, my dear, was because he, instead of sitting on his ass like everyone else then (that doesn't surprise me any), decided to do something about the United States getting into what was never any of their damned business to begin with... something that they seem to have a knack for. Hell, look at where they are now. Not a day goes by that some poor American soldier gets killed over there. And, of course, our very own Dominican troops are over there risking their lives.
God take care of our soldiers
Anita Blake
"Dime con quien andas... y si esta bueno me lo mandas."
Re: Porfirio
I don't particularly care for "perrede?stas" either, hon, ESPECIALLY the dumbass we have in power at the moment, so I feel ya there.
And, no, I don't believe he would be a decent president under those circumstances, either. I just don't think he can handle presidency, or leadership, for that matter, no matter how large the area. And, even if he was a decent President, that damn daughter he's got, with her bloodsucking crook of a husband, who are both bleeding the country dry, would ruin things things anyway. Not to mention the Vicepresidenta... who I hear is a total drunkard. What kind of message does that give to women in our country?
Needless to say, I'm DEFINITELY not counting Hip?lito as one of "Our Greatest".
Anita
"Ojos que no ven.........zapatos llenos de cac?."
samiam said:
I don't particularly care for "perrede?stas" either, hon, ESPECIALLY the dumbass we have in power at the moment, so I feel ya there.
And, no, I don't believe he would be a decent president under those circumstances, either. I just don't think he can handle presidency, or leadership, for that matter, no matter how large the area. And, even if he was a decent President, that damn daughter he's got, with her bloodsucking crook of a husband, who are both bleeding the country dry, would ruin things things anyway. Not to mention the Vicepresidenta... who I hear is a total drunkard. What kind of message does that give to women in our country?
Needless to say, I'm DEFINITELY not counting Hip?lito as one of "Our Greatest".
Anita
"Ojos que no ven.........zapatos llenos de cac?."
There hasn't been one Great President, but.......
Out of the dearly departed group:
.... Trujillo made the most impact short and long-term with infrastructure, although he treated the country as his personal property and allowed human rights abuses against those who opposed him or his regime
..... Antonio Guzm?n was probably the most honest one of the bunch, to the point of committing suicide
...... Balaguer wanted to have his name inmortalized, hence he constructed all over the place, allowing many to become (semi-illicit) multi-millionaires and thus leaving also some infrastructure
....... Bosch was too idealistic and didn't accomplish anything
....... Prior to Trujillo, it had been a free-for-all
Out of the dearly departed group:
.... Trujillo made the most impact short and long-term with infrastructure, although he treated the country as his personal property and allowed human rights abuses against those who opposed him or his regime
..... Antonio Guzm?n was probably the most honest one of the bunch, to the point of committing suicide
...... Balaguer wanted to have his name inmortalized, hence he constructed all over the place, allowing many to become (semi-illicit) multi-millionaires and thus leaving also some infrastructure
....... Bosch was too idealistic and didn't accomplish anything
....... Prior to Trujillo, it had been a free-for-all
AND stabilizes the country politically, economically, socialogocally, etc., etc.,etc.,ad infinitum.
I don't think he/she has been born yet!!!!!!
Texas Bill
I don't think he/she has been born yet!!!!!!
Texas Bill
Hmmm
I wasn't suprised to see some of you say Balageur. Actually I was expecting it. I'm not Dominican, I've never been to the D.R., but I've read about Balageur. I guess for the mulatto or "INDIO" Dominicans Balageur may have been good, but not for blacks. He was an extremely Eurocentric and racist. Lots of Dominicans supported him though so what does that tell us about Dominicans?
Dominicans are nothing but victims of assimilation and brainwashing. It's just stupid. For example, people like Nelly are black in the U.S. but in the D.R. they wouldn't be considered black, I don't get it. I guess some people believe that the ability to speak Spanish makes you no longer black. Tsk, tsk, tsk, even Sammy Sosa's a sellout, and he's darker than me.
A lot of people are mad that Dominicans don't respect their black roots, do I give a ****? No. All I know is if a Dominican comes in my face acting like they're all better than me I will gladly put them in his or her place.
I wasn't suprised to see some of you say Balageur. Actually I was expecting it. I'm not Dominican, I've never been to the D.R., but I've read about Balageur. I guess for the mulatto or "INDIO" Dominicans Balageur may have been good, but not for blacks. He was an extremely Eurocentric and racist. Lots of Dominicans supported him though so what does that tell us about Dominicans?
Dominicans are nothing but victims of assimilation and brainwashing. It's just stupid. For example, people like Nelly are black in the U.S. but in the D.R. they wouldn't be considered black, I don't get it. I guess some people believe that the ability to speak Spanish makes you no longer black. Tsk, tsk, tsk, even Sammy Sosa's a sellout, and he's darker than me.
A lot of people are mad that Dominicans don't respect their black roots, do I give a ****? No. All I know is if a Dominican comes in my face acting like they're all better than me I will gladly put them in his or her place.
"leonel",WILL BE!
I have been a supporter of his,since his last term.He did such a good job improving the "infrastructure" of the Country!
Saw him speak on TV yesterday.He had sound economic changes planned for the future.An Austerity Program,jobs programs,re-structuring of the International Debt he will inherit.To bad 90% of the people in the DR don't have a clue what he is talking about.They only "understand" when the candidates talk about what they are going to "give" them!
What a difference between a "speach" by "Leone",and a "Stand-Up Comedy Routine" by "Hippolito"!!!!
"Leonel actually has a brain,and knows what he is talking about! "H",just tells "Dirty" jokes,and makes fun of "Monkeys"!(Dominican Camera Men!)
God help you (Dominicans) if you re-elect "Hipolito"!
I have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to save my ass!
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I have been a supporter of his,since his last term.He did such a good job improving the "infrastructure" of the Country!
Saw him speak on TV yesterday.He had sound economic changes planned for the future.An Austerity Program,jobs programs,re-structuring of the International Debt he will inherit.To bad 90% of the people in the DR don't have a clue what he is talking about.They only "understand" when the candidates talk about what they are going to "give" them!
What a difference between a "speach" by "Leone",and a "Stand-Up Comedy Routine" by "Hippolito"!!!!
"Leonel actually has a brain,and knows what he is talking about! "H",just tells "Dirty" jokes,and makes fun of "Monkeys"!(Dominican Camera Men!)
God help you (Dominicans) if you re-elect "Hipolito"!
I have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to save my ass!
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Re: Hmmm
The name is Balaguer. Not French but Catalan, Spain. Just wanted to point that out for your general info.
What does suporting him say about us exactly?
Didn't he support Leonel, who BTW is black, and in my view also a great president? Wasnt his personal doctor black? And not mulato or cafe con leche but black like the coffee I am about to drink. Oh, well. whatever....this is boring, I am gone.
Vainqueur_Noir said:
The name is Balaguer. Not French but Catalan, Spain. Just wanted to point that out for your general info.
What does suporting him say about us exactly?
Didn't he support Leonel, who BTW is black, and in my view also a great president? Wasnt his personal doctor black? And not mulato or cafe con leche but black like the coffee I am about to drink. Oh, well. whatever....this is boring, I am gone.
An Evil said:
Balaguer wrote reems criticizing the "Haitianization" of the DR and about the superiority of the Spaniard over the African. In a tragedy for the ages, he tore down and rebuilt Samana city because its 19th century architecture was too "Caribbean".
Balaguer was definitely Eurocentrist in culture, Americanist in lip-service and isolationist in practice.
Open the pool of candidates
Great in Domincan terms, or truly great, as in world history terms. Truly great Dominican presidents: none. Most were desposts or incompetent. Or both (Santana, Buenaventura B?ez, Lil?s). Whether we like it or not, Balaguer and Trujillo et. al are "ni?os de teta" (or minor leaguers), in the Panteon of global leaders and/or historical figures. Simple footnotes in the history of world civilization. If we keep the candidates to islanders, then Toussaint Louverture, a worldwide historical figure by accomplishing the unprecendented expulsion of European masters from their colony in St. Domingue and who during a brief incursion into Spanish Santo Domingo abolished slavery in the whole island (1801; well before the American Civil War). Yes, he was a transplanted African, however is a revered figure in military history who defeated Napoleonic forces, held the Brits and the Spanish at bay and planted the seeds of revolution against opression all over the world. Haiti ended up being a huge failure, but for a little while this black man commanded the attention of more than one European court. In the DR we are taught to hate this Haitian fellow as a brutal savage but his legacy is truly great and universal. Another individual that may merit some recognition -if Italians are allowed- would be Cristopher Columbus, a terrible head of the colony, but forever the pioneer of the Old World-New World encounter, with all of its consequences. The most democratic, if not the most civilized Dominican governments were those of the Ta?no chiefdoms.
-Tordok
Great in Domincan terms, or truly great, as in world history terms. Truly great Dominican presidents: none. Most were desposts or incompetent. Or both (Santana, Buenaventura B?ez, Lil?s). Whether we like it or not, Balaguer and Trujillo et. al are "ni?os de teta" (or minor leaguers), in the Panteon of global leaders and/or historical figures. Simple footnotes in the history of world civilization. If we keep the candidates to islanders, then Toussaint Louverture, a worldwide historical figure by accomplishing the unprecendented expulsion of European masters from their colony in St. Domingue and who during a brief incursion into Spanish Santo Domingo abolished slavery in the whole island (1801; well before the American Civil War). Yes, he was a transplanted African, however is a revered figure in military history who defeated Napoleonic forces, held the Brits and the Spanish at bay and planted the seeds of revolution against opression all over the world. Haiti ended up being a huge failure, but for a little while this black man commanded the attention of more than one European court. In the DR we are taught to hate this Haitian fellow as a brutal savage but his legacy is truly great and universal. Another individual that may merit some recognition -if Italians are allowed- would be Cristopher Columbus, a terrible head of the colony, but forever the pioneer of the Old World-New World encounter, with all of its consequences. The most democratic, if not the most civilized Dominican governments were those of the Ta?no chiefdoms.
-Tordok
Being the greatest president in the history of the DR is sort of like being the greatest bobsledder on the Jamaican team. The original question should have been of all the presidents in the history of the DR, which one sucked less;-)
When Trujillo was asassinated, I was 12 years old. During my early childhood living in "ciudad Trujillo", I remember well how clean the city was. that we never had power outages, always plenty of potable water that you could actually drink. that nobody in his right mind would risk causing the police to come after you. Everybody knew to be on their best behavior or else "papa" Trujillo's goons would make you disappear for good. Trujillo was a monster but the economy was sound. We were poor but never starved. Our day to day life was peaceful. I felt happy and safe. I suspect, a lot people felt the same. The question is: would you trade what you have today for the way things were then?
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Don Juan said:
You know, Sr. Juan, that old time residents of Mexico City, Caracas, Medellin, Guatemala City, etc., etc., all say the same thing that you just said. What is occuring is much bigger than just Trujillo being gone. Degregation in quality of life has occured throughout Latin America. Yes, some has been due to liberalization. But the problem is bigger and more sinister than just that.
Maybe you should ask Roger Noriega for his opinion on the topic.
i agree. i spent 1999-2000 in ex-soviet republic of georgia and travelled and lived in southern part of russian federation(the caucusus region) and the situation is the same. the economy is completely trashed, crime is bad, the electricity was only on a few hours a night, and almost never in daylight, the government, and the police were corrupt, and most people had trouble even buying enough food to survive.
the average citizen wanted the old soviet union and communism back. life was actually pretty good. everyone had a job, food was plentiful, the streets were clean and crime was almost unheard of. of course now they are "free". but most of the ex soviet republics(including russia) are little more there vote rigged dictatorships. so the average citizen hasn't benifited at all from the soviet collapse, just the mafia.
even japan is going through a period of moral decline. it seems the whole world is sliding downward. most common people just want basic security(which was something trujillo provided). the DR isn't all the much different than many eastern european countries now.
the average citizen wanted the old soviet union and communism back. life was actually pretty good. everyone had a job, food was plentiful, the streets were clean and crime was almost unheard of. of course now they are "free". but most of the ex soviet republics(including russia) are little more there vote rigged dictatorships. so the average citizen hasn't benifited at all from the soviet collapse, just the mafia.
even japan is going through a period of moral decline. it seems the whole world is sliding downward. most common people just want basic security(which was something trujillo provided). the DR isn't all the much different than many eastern european countries now.
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