I believe we do....so let's agree to disagree as this is one of those arguments that could probably never be settled as there's emotion involved which makes us try to ignore the facts. The facts (statistics) are very clear, but again those emotions tend to get in the way...
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I believe we do....so let's agree to disagree as this is one of those arguments that could probably never be settled as there's emotion involved which makes us try to ignore the facts. The facts (statistics) are very clear, but again those emotions tend to get in the way...
Sorry, but you are very, very wrong.
I own several guns. I grew up in a "gun" family. Many Americans have. I am a member of the NRA.gamana said:
If you ever met me (and the millions like me, educated, peaceful, level-headed and proud), you'd realize how terribly wrong your broad brush stereotype is.
And obviously you (and others) have absolutely no clue about the U.S. Constitution. Or law-abiding gun owners.
Ignorance breeds bigotry.
the problem with the U.S. is that gun ownership has become too much of a federal issue.
My gun plan: almost illegal in the cities (e.g. NYC), mandatory in rural areas (e.g. all of North Dakota), lol. ...complimented by the Chris Rock Plan
My gun plan: almost illegal in the cities (e.g. NYC), mandatory in rural areas (e.g. all of North Dakota), lol. ...complimented by the Chris Rock Plan
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NRA mentality= people like you.
The National Rifle Association is composed of deranged people that'd like to think we're still in the 1800 hundreds when lawlessness in the western territories ran rampant and the law of the gun was king. ....Well, this isn't the 1800's and we now have laws and police to protect us. (such as it is).
What the NRA does (hiding behind the 2nd ammendment), is to encourage the insanity of owning guns for "protection".- "If law-abiding citizens don't have guns, only criminals will have guns"- or something to that affect. That's one of the ridiculous phrases they toss around while ignoring that the overwhelming number of guns used in criminal acts are guns stolen from rightfull owners!
In DC, according to a recent report by the Washington Post, nine out of ten guns recovered from criminals were traced back to a legal owner.
Didn't you know criminals aren't allowed to by guns legaly?? How do you think they come to have them??
Mr Cobraboy, you show me how many people were saved by owning guns, and I'll show you how many were not. You want statistics on the murder rate of gun-happy countries? and those that prohibit them? I can easily get them for you.
I maintain, that if it were not for the Pseudo-patriotic people like yourself, this world would be a much better place to live with less crime, murders, and A-holes.
The National Rifle Association is composed of deranged people that'd like to think we're still in the 1800 hundreds when lawlessness in the western territories ran rampant and the law of the gun was king. ....Well, this isn't the 1800's and we now have laws and police to protect us. (such as it is).
What the NRA does (hiding behind the 2nd ammendment), is to encourage the insanity of owning guns for "protection".- "If law-abiding citizens don't have guns, only criminals will have guns"- or something to that affect. That's one of the ridiculous phrases they toss around while ignoring that the overwhelming number of guns used in criminal acts are guns stolen from rightfull owners!
In DC, according to a recent report by the Washington Post, nine out of ten guns recovered from criminals were traced back to a legal owner.
Didn't you know criminals aren't allowed to by guns legaly?? How do you think they come to have them??
Mr Cobraboy, you show me how many people were saved by owning guns, and I'll show you how many were not. You want statistics on the murder rate of gun-happy countries? and those that prohibit them? I can easily get them for you.
I maintain, that if it were not for the Pseudo-patriotic people like yourself, this world would be a much better place to live with less crime, murders, and A-holes.
Guns You Can't Own
To answer your question, it seems you lost your thread to the gun anti gun crowd, you cannot have a 357 or a 45 , they are for ranking officers during war times. No long guns center fired, except shotguns, 22 rim fired and air rifles ok.
joe
To answer your question, it seems you lost your thread to the gun anti gun crowd, you cannot have a 357 or a 45 , they are for ranking officers during war times. No long guns center fired, except shotguns, 22 rim fired and air rifles ok.
joe
cobraboy
The US has the highest rate of shootings in the world, period. The weapons sold to the public there belong to video games.
i am indeed not a specialist of the American Constitution but i know for sure that the intent of the constitution with regards to ownership of weapons was not to transform the US as a shooting playground.
you may take the Fifth on this.
The US has the highest rate of shootings in the world, period. The weapons sold to the public there belong to video games.
i am indeed not a specialist of the American Constitution but i know for sure that the intent of the constitution with regards to ownership of weapons was not to transform the US as a shooting playground.
you may take the Fifth on this.
And you know the "intent", how?
If citizens owned guns, how difficult would it be for a government to impose tyranny? Maybe someone who lost relatives in the holocaust, China or former Soviet Union could answer.
A gun never killed anybody.
I live in Silver Spring, just north of the Washington,DC line. It is relatively calm around here with only a few people gunned down each week. In DC, and in nearby Baltimore, however, the situation gets much dire with hundreds of fatalities each year attributed to "gunplay".
It saddens me inmensely to read that another child was in the line of fire and became another victim of the NRA mentality. To those that think you're being protected by guns in the house, you're tragically wrong. It is stunning to count the number of accidental deaths of young children that manage to circumbent the safety measures put in place. You're most likely to be killed by carrying a gun than not. It gives a person a false sense of security thereby taking foolish risks by proclaming to be the meanest SOB in the valley. With some, not all, common sense departs and replaced by bravado, machismo, and a "make my day" attitude a-la Clint Eastwood.
I don't know but I'll find out, how many people fall victim each year to shootings in the US. It must be in the thousands! How tragic is that?
To those that think totting a gun is an absolute necessity, I envite you to compare the murder rate in US to that of Canada. Two similar nations in many, many ways, yet the amazing difference in per-capita deaths due to shootings. There's one essential difference though, one has a liberal policy on gun ownership, the other one does not.
Again I apologize for insulting West Virginians and red necks. Sometimes the birra Moretti has a strange effect on my mind. It makes me think I'm more righteous and smarter, which of course, I'm not. Just don't shoot me! he-he.aranoid:
You cannot compare Canada and the US murder rates, our populations are too diverse in makeup. Dodley dorights who would walk a 10 miles with a empty soda can to find a trash can verses people who **** in the halls of apartment houses. Now if you want to compare murder by axe or beer bottle, then I think the weight is on the snow people.
joe
This isnt the forum to discuss american gun ownership or the NRA........and people like Don Juan are so blinded by their blatant ignorance of real facts its a moot point to debate the issue with someone like that.
The mere fact that Washington has the strictist anti gun rules in all of american, yet he admits has an outrageous incidence of gun crime.....goes beyond his intelligence....he just IGNORES facts like that....
The Dominican Republic does not have laws like america.....and even if it did have draconian gun laws... the pervasive use of the good ole boy system, and corruption would prevent its widespread effect.....I have friends who are in the national guard....one because he shoots competitvely, the other...who knows...he never does anything. But he has the privelages of being in the DR national guard...like full automatic weapons...40 caliber pistols silenced rifles .....sniper rifles ect ect......this country is all about who you know or are......if someone has a relative above captian in any branch of the military.....you know they can have rifles and 45 caliber pistols.........I have posted to this fact before......so it would be very hard to pin down what someone can REALLY have........and in the end a man with common sense will always be better off armed.....especially in this country......at the worst he spends a little time in jail.....and lives...even less ...maybe maybe...he pays a few grand to get out of a bind......BUT he lives........( or at least gives himself a chance)
Old don juan wants to preach to us about our gun mentailty when he uses his excess at drinking for an excuse to thinking straight himself.......yeah .....good move
bob
The mere fact that Washington has the strictist anti gun rules in all of american, yet he admits has an outrageous incidence of gun crime.....goes beyond his intelligence....he just IGNORES facts like that....
The Dominican Republic does not have laws like america.....and even if it did have draconian gun laws... the pervasive use of the good ole boy system, and corruption would prevent its widespread effect.....I have friends who are in the national guard....one because he shoots competitvely, the other...who knows...he never does anything. But he has the privelages of being in the DR national guard...like full automatic weapons...40 caliber pistols silenced rifles .....sniper rifles ect ect......this country is all about who you know or are......if someone has a relative above captian in any branch of the military.....you know they can have rifles and 45 caliber pistols.........I have posted to this fact before......so it would be very hard to pin down what someone can REALLY have........and in the end a man with common sense will always be better off armed.....especially in this country......at the worst he spends a little time in jail.....and lives...even less ...maybe maybe...he pays a few grand to get out of a bind......BUT he lives........( or at least gives himself a chance)
Old don juan wants to preach to us about our gun mentailty when he uses his excess at drinking for an excuse to thinking straight himself.......yeah .....good move
bob
As some of you wish to talk about statistics I?ve compiled some links for you to look at to help you in your pixxing contest on who is the biggest meanie;
NationMaster - Statistics > Murders by country
NationMaster - Statistics > Murders with firearms by country
NationMaster - Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country
DEATH BY MURDER
Bureau of Justice Statistics Firearms and Crime Statistics
Bureau of Justice Statistics Crimes Committed with Firearms
Murder - Crime in the United States 2004
Things I came across on the web;
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More children choke to death on pencils and drown in buckets of water, than die from the mishandling of a gun. ?
"Wherever "Shall Issue" concealed carry laws have been adopted, crime involving firearms has decreased. Sometimes, this decrease has been dramatic, sometimes the decrease has been slight, but crime has almost never risen after "Shall Issue" concealed carry laws were adopted.?
?according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports, the states that allow lawful Citizens to carry concealed are the states with the lowest number of violent crimes.?
?For example, the state of Vermont, where one only has to have a clean record and be at least 21 years old to carry a concealed gun, has 22 times fewer incidence of violent crime per 100,000 Citizens than Washington D.C., which has had a total ban on firearms since the mid-seventies.?
?1. 31.09 murders are committed with firearms everyday.
2. 6844.62 times a day, firearms are used for self-defense.
3. Firearms are used 220.15 times more for self-defense than for murder.?
The truth is everything on the issue of firearms.
Let me leave you with a couple quotes;
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy. However, four out of five US murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who's crazy?"
-- Andrew Ford
"They that would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
Rick
NationMaster - Statistics > Murders by country
NationMaster - Statistics > Murders with firearms by country
NationMaster - Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country
DEATH BY MURDER
Bureau of Justice Statistics Firearms and Crime Statistics
Bureau of Justice Statistics Crimes Committed with Firearms
Murder - Crime in the United States 2004
Things I came across on the web;
?
More children choke to death on pencils and drown in buckets of water, than die from the mishandling of a gun. ?
"Wherever "Shall Issue" concealed carry laws have been adopted, crime involving firearms has decreased. Sometimes, this decrease has been dramatic, sometimes the decrease has been slight, but crime has almost never risen after "Shall Issue" concealed carry laws were adopted.?
?according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports, the states that allow lawful Citizens to carry concealed are the states with the lowest number of violent crimes.?
?For example, the state of Vermont, where one only has to have a clean record and be at least 21 years old to carry a concealed gun, has 22 times fewer incidence of violent crime per 100,000 Citizens than Washington D.C., which has had a total ban on firearms since the mid-seventies.?
?1. 31.09 murders are committed with firearms everyday.
2. 6844.62 times a day, firearms are used for self-defense.
3. Firearms are used 220.15 times more for self-defense than for murder.?
The truth is everything on the issue of firearms.
Let me leave you with a couple quotes;
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy. However, four out of five US murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who's crazy?"
-- Andrew Ford
"They that would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
Rick
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