Haiti blames the DR for arming the gangs

NALs

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Representatives of the Haitian government in Washington DC blame the DR and Colombia for its gangs.

Jump to 3:05 where the Haiti issue is touched.

Before that the topic is the 5% tax on remittances which is a policy of Trump and whatever he says he will do he does it regardless of all the criticisms, so there is no point to talk about that.

 

Manuel01

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To every Haitian !
(Government Official, or regular Citizen etc.)
Get your shit together, clean up your own mess and stop blaming others for your problems.
The World is sick of you !!!
 

NanSanPedro

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To every Haitian !
(Government Official, or regular Citizen etc.)
Get your shit together, clean up your own mess and stop blaming others for your problems.
The World is sick of you !!!
Every Haitian?!?! All 11.7 million peeps of Haiti are blaming others for their problems?
I know about 25 Haitians personally. None of them blame anyone else but their own fucked up govt. So that reduces the amount playing the blame game to 11,699,975.

And the world is sick of them? All 8.07 billion? Wow, I didn't know that and here I thought I was part of the world.

Now, do they need a revolution? Obviously. And it will be bloody.
 

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Are guns and drugs crossing the border from the DR to Haiti? Pretty sure that's a yes. Calling attention to that is not a bad thing. Is the DR government purposely facilitating this? Pretty sure that's a no. However, those weapons and drugs that are crossing the land border are somehow finding their way onto DR soil, so it seems fair to say increased efforts to prevent that are warranted. To me, that is not blaming but rather is stating the issue. Both sides need to work harder to stem that flow of contraband.
 

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Are guns and drugs crossing the border from the DR to Haiti? Pretty sure that's a yes. Calling attention to that is not a bad thing. Is the DR government purposely facilitating this? Pretty sure that's a no. However, those weapons and drugs that are crossing the land border are somehow finding their way onto DR soil, so it seems fair to say increased efforts to prevent that are warranted. To me, that is not blaming but rather is stating the issue. Both sides need to work harder to stem that flow of contraband.
From what I have read, there are some guns that are transported through the DR but the majority come from Florida and are smuggled directly into Haiti or through Jamaica. Drugs flow both ways on the land border.
 

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Every Haitian?!?! All 11.7 million peeps of Haiti are blaming others for their problems?
I know about 25 Haitians personally. None of them blame anyone else but their own fucked up govt. So that reduces the amount playing the blame game to 11,699,975.

And the world is sick of them? All 8.07 billion? Wow, I didn't know that and here I thought I was part of the world.

Now, do they need a revolution? Obviously. And it will be bloody.

It really doesn’t matter how many you know personally.

Here’s a good litmus test. One question will show you the depths of the culturally embedded delusions.

Ask them when their ancestors arrived on Hispaniola? They will surely say 1492. By them telling history in that manner it does a series of things.

1. It erases Dominicans altogether.
2. It states Dominicans are just an extension of Haitians.
3. It states Haitians are the descendants of the original inhabitants.
4. It states Dominican Republic is an illegitimate state on their ancestral land.

I repeat it doesn’t matter the education levels either. From the PhD student to the basket on head women with a trail of kids behind her selling water in the intersections, this is manner in which they are taught history.

Somehow Spanish ships arriving on Hispaniola in 1492, are the ancestors of a French based speaking Creole people named Marie Jean Baptiste and Michelle La Poitier. The worst part about it is I don’t even think they fully understand where the French even come into play or how that happened to be.

For reference this would be like me as an American stating “America begins when the Spanish founded Puerto Rico”. Contextually that would be bizarre and inaccurate but that’s the manner they understand history. I would obviously answer Jamestown 1607.

So again your anecdotal evidence doesn’t hold up here. It’s actually dangerous because you guys don’t fully understand them. They may blame their government but best believe under the surface they believe the more prosperous nation to the right is in collusion.
 

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From what I have read, there are some guns that are transported through the DR but the majority come from Florida and are smuggled directly into Haiti or through Jamaica. Drugs flow both ways on the land border.

Most of those Miami players are just Haitians themselves. Their oligarchs abroad control all of the ports and I’m positive it’s coming from the les cayes, Jeremie side
 
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NanSanPedro

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It really doesn’t matter how many you know personally.

Here’s a good litmus test. One question will show you the depths of the culturally embedded delusions.

Ask them when their ancestors arrived on Hispaniola? They will surely say 1492. By them telling history in that manner it does a series of things.

1. It erases Dominicans altogether.
2. It states Dominicans are just an extension of Haitians.
3. It states Haitians are the descendants of the original inhabitants.
4. It states Dominican Republic is an illegitimate state on their ancestral land.

I repeat it doesn’t matter the education levels either. From the PhD student to the basket on head women with a trail of kids behind her selling water in the intersections, this is manner in which they are taught history.

Somehow Spanish ships arriving on Hispaniola in 1492, are the ancestors of a French based speaking Creole people named Marie Jean Baptiste and Michelle La Poitier. The worst part about it is I don’t even think they fully understand where the French even come into play or how that happened to be.

For reference this would be like me as an American stating “America begins when the Spanish founded Puerto Rico”. Contextually that would be bizarre and inaccurate but that’s the manner they understand history. I would obviously answer Jamestown 1607.

So again your anecdotal evidence doesn’t hold up here. It’s actually dangerous because you guys don’t fully understand them. They may blame their government but best believe under the surface they believe the more prosperous nation to the right is in collusion.
Interesting. How many classes have you taken in Haiti?
 

bob saunders

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Interesting. How many classes have you taken in Haiti?
I wouldn't say all Haitians believe the history as Davon Evans says but I have talked to enough Haitians that it isn't that far stretched. They actually believe the whole island should belong to them, and that they freed the Dominicans from being slaves. Do Haitians and Dominicans have common African DNA? Some do, some don't. Most Dominican slaves were brought to Santo Domingo by English slave traders that bought them from the Portuguese. These were mainly from the northern part of West Africa ( my 12TH GG was a British Ship captain of a slaver) The French brought their slaves also from West Africa but farther south.
 

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Enough to know that their cultural identity is inconsistent with recorded history. I employ you to ask this simple question to the ppl you know
There is of course a World Court available to them to present "their recorded history". It's been done before, I'm sure, but it could be filed as a "cold case"
Know any body/country that's interested?
 

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Us White folks are just in it for the ride YEE HAW!!!!!!