- Thread starter AlterEgo
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Haitian roundup
Haitians/Dominican business and relations should be addressed and agreed upon these two countries. International outcry adds nothing other than a burden to the problem.
According to social media, until Monday. They were close to 800 this afternoon.
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They'd better be able to keep it up for a long time because they cross back over just as fast as they bus them out!
Yes it was Haiti's fault but that is what the DR gov knew in advance of offering this program. They knew that most Haitians have no documentation and can't get any from a home country that is barely functioning. This makes the whole concept of getting residency almost impossible for most undocumented Haitians. I doubt that the cost was free when everyone else from other countries had to proceed through the process with a lawyer.
....in santiago... they should send the bus to where del sol street meets the monument...large vacant lot with woods in back.... the haitians are building a small city there........
Working in PAP for 8 years now. So, I'm seeing this on the reverse end.
The deportation is a free ride to the border to see some old friends. Only then to return back to the DR a week or so later. The border is a siv and so many businesses depend on cheap Haitian labor on the farms. And the Migracion folks have job security. IMHO, for economic reasons, the revolving doors will never close. It's a big show to keep the wealthy people thinking the country is doing something about it.
The deportation is a free ride to the border to see some old friends. Only then to return back to the DR a week or so later. The border is a siv and so many businesses depend on cheap Haitian labor on the farms. And the Migracion folks have job security. IMHO, for economic reasons, the revolving doors will never close. It's a big show to keep the wealthy people thinking the country is doing something about it.
I don't understand your logic here, or that of these NGO's. The DR gave these Haitians legal status in the country and 18 months to get the required documents. Why should the onus be on the DR to grant residency to a Haitian national who can't prove who they are and not on instead on Haiti to give these documents to their own citizens?
Believe me, the Haitian government is taking full advantage of this situation by refusing to give their own citizens the required documents so they can be residents here. These NGO's should be critizing the Haitian government for refusing to document their own citizens rather than try to force the DR to grant residency to illegal immigrants with no documents.
The DR did grant legal status to almost 250,000 Haitians. I think that's pretty impressive for a country with so little resources and such a byzantine bureaucracy.
Many people, including most of the 250,000 Haitians did not use a lawyer. Several DR1 members, I believe yatch chef was one, did not use an attorney. Without an attorney the cost for getting into the plan was minimal - some notary and filing charges, etc.
The amount is much higher than was intended. Danilo and his government buddies did everything they could to undermine the regularization plan, taking full advantage of every loop hole in order to increase the amount of Haitians that could regularize their status. They even made many exceptions of the required documents needed, it was basically reduced to 'if a Haitian says he has a strong tie to the country, we'll accept his word as valid.' The deadline was actually on the last minute changed a few times in order to give the greatest amount of Haitians the possibility of regularizing their status. Even the costs that were charged to other foreigners the DR government paid it for the Haitians.
Due to this and many other things the government did to undermine the regularization plan (in essence converting it to an amnesty program that was never suppose to be), the lawyers that created the regularization plan went on various television and radio programs, plus on the written press, denouncing how the DR government was arbitrarily destroying the purpose of the regularization plan.
They are still denouncing the government for this. Dr Juan Manuel Rosario is one of the lawyers that created the regularization plan and here he is complaining and condemning the DR government for taking the regularization plan and making it so pro-Haitian.
[video=youtube;n_TQms2Pq0s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_TQms2Pq0s[/video]
In Dominican media and in social media many Dominicans refer to Danilo as Danile Medine, with the extra e at the end producing the accent of many Haitians when they speak Spanish. This mocking intends to say that Danilo sold the country's interest to the Haitian. Gustavo Montalvo, one of the highest ranking government officials and highly influenciable to Danilo, is often considered to be a pro-Haitian, because he's the main reason the plan was distorted to make it easier for the Haitians. Montalvo even gave a speech at Juan Dolio that ruffled many feathers, because he said that what the country needs is an ever increasing population of Haitians in order to create the love between Dominicans and Haitians. He was the main reason the deportation of Haitians were halted during the regularization plan, in complete violation of what states the regularization plan.
These are things that have been obvious among Dominicans and in part explains the general dissatisfaction with how the regularization plan was carried out.
However, the pro-Haitian NGO's and people seem to be (or pretend to be) oblivious to all of this. I guess it isn't convenient for their anti-DR or pro-Haitian campaign, so they pretend none of this is true.
Its not their country. You can not or should not be allowed to walk into any country without following THEIR rules pertaining to immigration. Good, send them home, and any other foreigner that believes this purging is is wrong can get the f@#k out to. Its not their land to simply come and live where and how they like. It's also nobody's business about how the DOM's elect to run their home affairs. "OUTCRY"... I say screw the outcry from ugly socialists, do they pay tax in the DR? NO THEY DON'T. So what gives them the right to outcry against any DR home affair matter? People need to remember their place.
Many have only know DR and have never lived in Haiti. Decisions made over 200 years ago are still having an impacts on daily lives, through no fault of the people impacted. Another challenge is that the employers are reluctant to provide papers to a cheap source of labor, because that gives them rights.
What's your point? What facts do you use to support your statement that "many" have only known DR and never lived in Haiti?
Made my point, and I can't make you stop ignoring the facts presented over the years, simply because they don't fit your narrative.
computer translated:
Cibao operatives continue against illegal Haitians
Leoncio Peralta
Santiago
Throughout the day, operations continued to be carried out by officials of the General Directorate of Migration against undocumented Haitians residing in different parts of this region of the Cibao, to take them to Dajabón and to repatriate them to their territory.
Brigades aided by military personnel visited several places in the municipalities of Tamboril, Licey, Moca, La Vega, Mao and others, where men and women were arrested who in many cases protested, claiming that they prevented them from recovering many of their belongings.
At points in the municipality of Santiago where raids to capture the undocumented people took part, members of the Task Force Calm City and Immigration Control, based on the measures taken by the Mayor to prevent the presence of illegal in product sales positions.
The operations were also carried out in the border area by the Specialized Border Security Body (Cesfront), which seized hundreds of illegal at different points in the area, mostly in agricultural areas.
Some producers complained that they lost their labor.
At a residence on the Dajabón Monte Cristi road, about 40 undocumented Haitians were found hiding, waiting for a vehicle to be taken to Valverde and Santiago. Among those arrested and taken to the border line for their repatriation were men, women and some minors.
Hieren militar
Yesterday it was reported from the border area of Elias Piña that Haitians responded to the military patrols that carried out the operations to apprehend the undocumented and return them to their country.
During the incident, soldier Alvarez Pertalta, attached to the Cesfront, was wounded in both legs, who had to be transferred to a medical center of the province San Juan to be assisted by faculty personnel.
http://www.listindiario.com/la-repu...rativos-en-el-cibao-contra-haitianos-ilegales
Cibao operatives continue against illegal Haitians
Leoncio Peralta
Santiago
Throughout the day, operations continued to be carried out by officials of the General Directorate of Migration against undocumented Haitians residing in different parts of this region of the Cibao, to take them to Dajabón and to repatriate them to their territory.
Brigades aided by military personnel visited several places in the municipalities of Tamboril, Licey, Moca, La Vega, Mao and others, where men and women were arrested who in many cases protested, claiming that they prevented them from recovering many of their belongings.
At points in the municipality of Santiago where raids to capture the undocumented people took part, members of the Task Force Calm City and Immigration Control, based on the measures taken by the Mayor to prevent the presence of illegal in product sales positions.
The operations were also carried out in the border area by the Specialized Border Security Body (Cesfront), which seized hundreds of illegal at different points in the area, mostly in agricultural areas.
Some producers complained that they lost their labor.
At a residence on the Dajabón Monte Cristi road, about 40 undocumented Haitians were found hiding, waiting for a vehicle to be taken to Valverde and Santiago. Among those arrested and taken to the border line for their repatriation were men, women and some minors.
Hieren militar
Yesterday it was reported from the border area of Elias Piña that Haitians responded to the military patrols that carried out the operations to apprehend the undocumented and return them to their country.
During the incident, soldier Alvarez Pertalta, attached to the Cesfront, was wounded in both legs, who had to be transferred to a medical center of the province San Juan to be assisted by faculty personnel.
http://www.listindiario.com/la-repu...rativos-en-el-cibao-contra-haitianos-ilegales
This would equate roughly to the fate of the so called dreamers in the US. children brought over the border at a young age and their parents never tried to do anything to get anyone legal. Or their parents were not legal an the child born in the DR. Unlike the USA the DR has different immigration laws. Your not automatically a citizen when born in the DR, you have the nationality of your parents.
There is no responsibility on the employers to help them obtain legal residence, there is a responsibility on the government to insure that the employers are holding fast to the 80/20 ratio of employees
Try putting a little of the blame on Haiti for not providing documentation to their citizens.