Half of the businesses that closed won’t reopen

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there is no "surcharge".
it is the country's taxes as you pay on received services and for products in every country.

Mike!
Will they ever dare to play this "28%" game on Dominican eaters?
They will be wiped out of business right away. I know what I say.
 

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Mike!
Will they ever dare to play this "28%" game on Dominican eaters?
They will be wiped out of business right away. I know what I say.
when we eat out here at restaurants it is on the bill, doesn't matter who pays the bill.
of course the under the radar flying ones don't show that and do not pay any tax of your consumption.
but every normal Bill shows also the Taxes, otherwise it would not be any real Bill.
 

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Anyone seeing any curbside pickup? Well, curbless-side.

Huge in the US. Keeps places open.

All very organized and safe.
 

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I fear the economy will take at least a decade to recover to prior numbers/positions, and it could be way more.
I wish to be called wrong in just a couple years, as I live myself 100% solely off tourism.
With the tourism industry yes and I hate to say it I think especially in Punta Cana. Maybe smaller places like Las Terrenas and Cabarete and Sosua with each near niche market are doing slightly better. But I just don’t see the mass tourism coming back. I hope the new tourism minster has some good ideas. The economy as a whole may do better in agriculture, fishing etc and light manufacturing. The outsourcing industry/call centers in SD and Santiago.
 

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With the tourism industry yes and I hate to say it I think especially in Punta Cana. Maybe smaller places like Las Terrenas and Cabarete and Sosua with each near niche market are doing slightly better. But I just don’t see the mass tourism coming back. I hope the new tourism minster has some good ideas. The economy as a whole may do better in agriculture, fishing etc and light manufacturing. The outsourcing industry/call centers in SD and Santiago.
Agriculture, one of the DR's big economy parts, depends for a very significant portion on tourism and the tourism surrounding market.
 

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With the tourism industry yes and I hate to say it I think especially in Punta Cana. Maybe smaller places like Las Terrenas and Cabarete and Sosua with each near niche market are doing slightly better. But I just don’t see the mass tourism coming back. I hope the new tourism minster has some good ideas. The economy as a whole may do better in agriculture, fishing etc and light manufacturing. The outsourcing industry/call centers in SD and Santiago.
LOL manufacturing, that would have happened long ago. Who is going to build manufacturing plants?
 
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I fear the economy will take at least a decade to recover to prior numbers/positions, and it could be way more.
I wish to be called wrong in just a couple years, as I live myself 100% solely off tourism.
MIKE
Clearly we can see your pain and frustration having a business 100% tourist oriented. FWIW, I see a picture of "hotel people", including the new President of the DR, having waaaaay too much money into the deal for this to fail.They are very smart and savy in the ways of tourism, and I'm sure they will put Humpty Dumpty back together again by 2021.
I look at this picture having the eyes and mind set of being a real estate speculator for many, many years. These people know the train is coming and they jump on the train before it "leaves the station". You can be sure that we will see all good things, too late so to speak, because then it will be "hey I missed that train". That's the way it works IMHO.
 
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first, a vaccine in a year or two will not put a single dime in the hands of broken people without money for purchases.
secondly, by today's knowledge about corona viruses, it is very unlikely to ever have a working and lasting vaccine ,
so the main focus for scientists and the whole economy should not be to put zillions of dollars and all science resources on searching for a never coming vaccine.
Instead the focus should be on finding better treatments for the effects/deseases caused by covid19, to treat the ones infected/with severe symptoms
AND the focus has to be on faster working and more reliable test procedures/products.
I disagree ... but you are entity to your opinion... be positive it helps in times like this..
 
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LOL manufacturing, that would have happened long ago. Who is going to build manufacturing plants?
There are many actually in the zona francas/free zones in Santo Domingo like Zona Franca Las Americas and Piisa and also in Santiago. Maybe some will move from asia to here. Try and research it. Its already here. There are textiles and medical.
 
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Agriculture, one of the DR's big economy parts, depends for a very significant portion on tourism and the tourism surrounding market.
Absolutely and especially Punta Cana helped grow agriculture.
 

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There are many actually in the zona francas/free zones in Santo Domingo like Zona Franca Las Americas and Piisa and also in Santiago. Maybe some will move from asia to here. Try and research it. Its already here. There are textiles and medical.
Are you talking about American MFG moving from Asia to DR? If they would move they would go to Mexico.
 

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the folks will come back..... actually we just need vaccination and they are getting close....
as the saying goes, don't count your chickens before they hatch. Every vaccine to date has required at least 7 years to develop. Granted we have better technology and multiple irons in the fire, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. That said "hope for the best and plan for the worst".
 

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Are you talking about American MFG moving from Asia to DR? If they would move they would go to Mexico.
Here is one of the best free zones http://piisa.com/ Its always been light manufacturing in the DR. I believe the free zones provide electricity and that’s relatively expensive. The advantage is on labour and the tax free status. Its limited I know but there is some manufacturing and yes from the US mainly. I think most of them are from the US now.
 
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Here is one of the best free zones http://piisa.com/ Its always been light manufacturing in the DR. I believe the free zones provide electricity and that’s relatively expensive. The advantage is on labour and the tax free status. Its limited I know but there is some manufacturing and yes from the US mainly. I think most of them are from the US now.
The park is likely full. Look 28,000 semi trucks cross the USA/Mexican border a day and about 500,000 rail containers a year. Infrastructure, logistics and transportation is all there.
 

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Clearly we can see your pain and frustration having a business 100% tourist oriented. FWIW, I see a picture of "hotel people", including the new President of the DR, having waaaaay too much money into the deal for this to fail.They are very smart and savy in the ways of tourism, and I'm sure they will put Humpty Dumpty back together again by 2021.
I look at this picture having the eyes and mind set of being a real estate speculator for many, many years. These people know the train is coming and they jump on the train before it "leaves the station". You can be sure that we will see all good things, too late so to speak, because then it will be "hey I missed that train". That's the way it works IMHO.
sure all possible will be done to push tourism back,
but to reach again numbers of 2018 or 2019 will take many years, as the whole world's market will not spit out those old years numbers of liquid travelers right away in 2021 or 2022.
for myself, always working on excursions in smallest groups since ever, chances are even better/less bad, lol, to get back on the feet,
as the smallest groups activities are the most looked for ones during those times.
the big party booze cruise groups on large catamarans or filled Safari Trucks are the ones to stay down for longer, as people are not much willing to be cramped together with so many others on small spaces and also theer will not be very soon the large number of clientel to fill the necessary spots to make those large groups (cheap per guest) activities lucrative to run.
this is the big chance for mall businesses with their top services to establish strongerwithin the market than before covid, because the Mass Tours with the super high commissioned resales of the big touroperators will have the biggest drop, as their commissiong system does not allow to run such activities in small groups, they need the certain minimum amountof guests for each tour/activity.
it is the times of opportunities, one has to see the niches within the old system and prepare for/start them now.
as you said, who is waiting til "all is over", dreaming of soon everything will be the same old again, will miss the train for sure.
flexibility and new ideas is what will survive or even come out of it strengthened.
 

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sure all possible will be done to push tourism back,
but to reach again numbers of 2018 or 2019 will take many years, as the whole world's market will not spit out those old years numbers of liquid travelers right away in 2021 or 2022.
for myself, always working on excursions in smallest groups since ever, chances are even better/less bad, lol, to get back on the feet,
as the smallest groups activities are the most looked for ones during those times.
the big party booze cruise groups on large catamarans or filled Safari Trucks are the ones to stay down for longer, as people are not much willing to be cramped together with so many others on small spaces and also theer will not be very soon the large number of clientel to fill the necessary spots to make those large groups (cheap per guest) activities lucrative to run.
this is the big chance for mall businesses with their top services to establish strongerwithin the market than before covid, because the Mass Tours with the super high commissioned resales of the big touroperators will have the biggest drop, as their commissiong system does not allow to run such activities in small groups, they need the certain minimum amountof guests for each tour/activity.
it is the times of opportunities, one has to see the niches within the old system and prepare for/start them now.
as you said, who is waiting til "all is over", dreaming of soon everything will be the same old again, will miss the train for sure.
flexibility and new ideas is what will survive or even come out of it strengthened.

The problem is that the Dominican tourism model is largely based on the concept of cheap and high quantity. What works in DR are 2000 bedroom hotels, planeloads of economy-class passengers getting all-inclusive at a bargain rate. From the UK the key metric is £1,000 per head for a week in the Caribbean, all -inclusive. Probably way cheaper than that from the US and Canada. And to achieve prices that low, you need big numbers. The smaller Caribbean islands are far better for the people with bigger budgets, the model in Antigua and Barbados for example works with smaller hotels and higher prices. I know it's technically possible for the DR to morph into those models, but to do that it woul
 

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The problem is that the Dominican tourism model is largely based on the concept of cheap and high quantity. What works in DR are 2000 bedroom hotels, planeloads of economy-class passengers getting all-inclusive at a bargain rate. From the UK the key metric is £1,000 per head for a week in the Caribbean, all -inclusive. Probably way cheaper than that from the US and Canada. And to achieve prices that low, you need big numbers. The smaller Caribbean islands are far better for the people with bigger budgets, the model in Antigua and Barbados for example works with smaller hotels and higher prices. I know it's technically possible for the DR to morph into those models, but to do that it woul
There are lots of smaller hotels in the DR and they are cheaper than than AIs. And Americans/Canadians can get $1,000 a week deals as well.
 

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I think the DR needs to choose between the EU/UK and the USA because given the current state of the pandemic, they can't do both. In the EU/UK, they are dealing with a few 100 cases/day, but in the United States, there is currently 50,000/day.

I think if the DR could knock down its numbers, it could open up the EU/UK and vice versa. (Costa Rica has a similar policy going).

Or, they could open the USA, but honestly, I have a hard time imagining that being much higher than currently, but I guess you have to recover from somewhere why not the current dismal numbers.

I'd quite dithering and go one way and sacrifice the other for the near term.
 

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I think the DR needs to choose between the EU/UK and the USA because given the current state of the pandemic, they can't do both. In the EU/UK, they are dealing with a few 100 cases/day, but in the United States, there is currently 50,000/day.

I think if the DR could knock down its numbers, it could open up the EU/UK and vice versa. (Costa Rica has a similar policy going).

Or, they could open the USA, but honestly, I have a hard time imagining that being much higher than currently, but I guess you have to recover from somewhere why not the current dismal numbers.

I'd quite dithering and go one way and sacrifice the other for the near term.
The USA leads the world in testing by far and the more of it the death rate plummets. And no you are off on new cases a day in the EU.
And remember you can die of a gunshot to the head, have cancer in a hospice 2 weeks left, or anything at it counts as a CV19 death.
 
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