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Does anyone have any information on exactly WHY we on Independencia (and I understand on Mexico and Venezuela) are now being so assaulted by the heavy traffic of trucks and when and if it it ever going to stop? It is really torture. The house shakes. It is like living next to a jack hammer all day.

I don't actually know why the trucks were taken off the Malecon?

And while there is talk about a new highway, does anyone know when it will be finished and if this will put an end to this issue?
 

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Does anyone have any information on exactly WHY we on Independencia (and I understand on Mexico and Venezuela) are now being so assaulted by the heavy traffic of trucks and when and if it it ever going to stop? It is really torture. The house shakes. It is like living next to a jack hammer all day.

I don't actually know why the trucks were taken off the Malecon?

And while there is talk about a new highway, does anyone know when it will be finished and if this will put an end to this issue?
The trucks were taken off the Malecon (Av. George Washington) between the junction with Maximo Gomez and Arzobispo Merino supposedly permanently at the end of last year. In previous years the ban had been imposed around the end of year holidays but was never enforced. The new ban is a money-spinner for AMET, but doesn't take into consideration that there is no other way for trucks to get in and out of the port - the cargo gate is just west of Arzobispo Merino. The idea was to ease congestion on that stretch of the Malecon and maybe the hotels had a say in that too. The alternative east/west/east routes for trucks, Avenidas Independencia, Mexico etc., are admirably unsuited for such heavy and high loads...these mainly residential streets are narrow and tree lined with overhead electrical, telephone, cabletv wires, lots of pedestrians and suffer tremendously, as Annie rightly says from the air and noise pollution, vibrations all day and night.
The proposed solution is the new ring road connecting Haina and Boca Chica, encompassing the heavy traffic from the ports of Rio Haina and Caucedo, but although highway construction is under way, completion as usual will probably be a long time coming.....
 

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Thanks, Bryanell. But if the cargo gate is at Arxobispo Merino, the ring road to Boca Chica will not alleviate it, will it?

How do they get down there after their cruise down Independencia? Do they actually travel through the streets of the Zona? I cannot imagine that.

Any notes on the progress of the ring road or any idea what percentage of the trucks might be taken off the road?

I thought the cargo part was on the other side of the river. But I guess they have to go through town and I guess the people on the Malecon felt that they had a RIGHT to have that avenue free of trucks.. After all, it is the Malecon and made for walking. i can understand that.

Can you explain more about the ports? About Caucedo.. is that where the cars are offloaded, by El Faro?
 

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Thanks, Bryanell. But if the cargo gate is at Arxobispo Merino, the ring road to Boca Chica will not alleviate it, will it?

How do they get down there after their cruise down Independencia? Do they actually travel through the streets of the Zona? I cannot imagine that.

Any notes on the progress of the ring road or any idea what percentage of the trucks might be taken off the road?

I thought the cargo part was on the other side of the river. But I guess they have to go through town and I guess the people on the Malecon felt that they had a RIGHT to have that avenue free of trucks.. After all, it is the Malecon and made for walking. i can understand that.

Can you explain more about the ports? About Caucedo.. is that where the cars are offloaded, by El Faro?

Our car came into San Souci. We picked it up right next to the naval base
 

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.......are now being so assaulted by the heavy traffic of trucks and when and if it it ever going to stop? It is really torture. The house shakes. It is like living next to a jack hammer all day........

Ufffff, you think that is bad? Try sleeping at night with the windows open and all of a sudden at 3 in the morning one of those trucks with a missing muffler and missing hood over the engine comes rattling down avenida independencia honking that darn air horn. I gave up and sleep with windows closed and a/c on low.
 

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ok, Caucedo is the name of the port in Boca Chica and San Souci is by the Naval base, and so the other port, the one at the base of the Zona will be the only one that maybe the trucks will require the avenues to get to that port. I wonder what percentage of the trucks go there?

And I do wonder about the timetable for the completion of the road.

I am really going to have to look for another place to live if there is no end in sight. But yikes. i have a lease. Very disheartening.
 

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I knew this was going to happen when I saw Amet giving tickets to drivers on the Malecon. I'm happy I live a block in from Independencia. Even walking on the street is an assault with all the fumes.
 

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At the moment, trucks entering and exiting the port of Santo Domingo (right opposite my office) transit the section of the Malecon between the port gate and both ends of the restricted area, as there is no other way. I don't know how AMET and the drivers deal with it, but I guess the almighty syndicate has that sorted.

The Sans Souci terminal across the other side of the river estuary next to the DR Navy (Armada de la Republica) handles the big cruise liner passenger ships and pure car carriers and is beginning to handle regular cargo vessels too. Most of the imported cars and motor vehicles of all kinds are unloaded at Sans Souci.

Between Sans Souci and the floating bridge is the Molinos Modernos Grain facility where grains are discharged from bulk carrying vessels by automated elevators and stored in the large silos visible from the Colonial City.

Cargo handling at the old port is being phased out with the exception of the cargo ferry lines to Puerto Rico which account for most of the container traffic there. The Don Diego passenger terminal where the passenger ferry and some of the smaller cruise liner ships dock, is outside the restricted area of the Malecon as is the asphalt terminal between Don Diego and the floating bridge.

The port at the Caucedo Multi Modal Free Zone, next to Las Americas International Airport, is operated by Dubai Port World (DPW) and was constructed about 10 years ago on privately owned land. It handles almost exclusively container traffic - import, export and transit cargo. As can be expected, it is extremely efficient, and even the large container ships calling there are turned around in a matter of hours. About 4-5 ships can berth at Caucedo simultaneously. On the end of the Caucedo promontory, AES has a LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) terminal - the white bubble that can be seen from Santo Domingo on a clear day.

The old port of Andres (Boca Chica) which lies on the coast between the port of Caucedo and the yachting marinas, Club Nautico and Zar Par, is used mainly for ships laid-up for repair although some general cargo - mainly imported forest products is handled there, particularly convenient for the nearby La Americas Free Zone.

The port at La Romana is owned and operated by the Central La Romana sugar concern, cargo handling is mainly export of dry bulk (sugar) and liquid sugar products, import of fuel oil and passenger cruise liners also dock there in the cruise season.

San Pedro de Macoris has an old port facility, mainly serving the local cement industry, imports of clinker in bulk and export of cement in bulk and bagged as well as fuel oil and gas terminals.

There are also fuel terminals at Palenque, Puerto Viejo Azua and there is a ship-to-ship transfer operation of liquid gas in the Bay of Ocoa where incoming bulk gas is offloaded into "mother ship" storage and then transferred to smaller "feeder" tankers for distribution to local ports and terminals.

In the far south west in Pedernales close to the border with Haiti is the port of Cabo Rojo, operated under licence by Cemento Adinos where currently bauxite in bulk is loaded for export on huge bulk carrier vessels. Due to the size of these ships the operations are conducted at an off-shore moorage with floating cranes loading the ships from large barges towed from the shore.


Rio Haina is, I think, still the country's largest volume port, handling both containerized and general cargo of all kinds. There is also the Refidomsa refinery terminal and both dry and liquid bulk handling facilities on both sides of the river. A few kilometres outside Haina there is the coal handling terminal for the ITABO power station.

That about sums up the ports on the south coast, the major cargo ports in the north are Arroyo Barill (Samana), Puerto Plata and Manzanillo (Pepillo Salcedo).
 
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Very exhaustive information, thank you. I had no idea there were so many ports and terminals on the DR's south shore.
 

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The Santo Domingo by pass should be finished before the end of this government. I recall reading it is a priority of the government.
 

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Bryanell..
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Cargo handling at the old port is being phased out with the exception of the cargo ferry lines to Puerto Rico which account for most of the container traffic there. The Don Diego passenger terminal where the passenger ferry and some of the smaller cruise liner ships dock, is outside the restricted area of the Malecon as is the asphalt terminal between Don Diego and the floating bridge.


imply that there will only be the asphalt trucks on the Malecon in the future and all the other traffic on the avenues will stop once the road is completed? I think that I can live through this if I can see an end in sight.
 

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Bryanell..
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Cargo handling at the old port is being phased out with the exception of the cargo ferry lines to Puerto Rico which account for most of the container traffic there. The Don Diego passenger terminal where the passenger ferry and some of the smaller cruise liner ships dock, is outside the restricted area of the Malecon as is the asphalt terminal between Don Diego and the floating bridge.


imply that there will only be the asphalt trucks on the Malecon in the future and all the other traffic on the avenues will stop once the road is completed? I think that I can live through this if I can see an end in sight.

Don't hold your breath Annie....and Dolores remember that politicians' declared priorities are one thing, and actual reality can be something quite different.

There are still lots of heavy vehicles on our roads that are not going to or coming from our seaports.....from my own experience I can tell you that some of the worst offenders in terms of noise and dirt pollution are those cement mixers and concrete pumps that flit from construction site to construction site, and then block the streets when they get there.
 

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UGH.. well we will see. Perhaps if the bulk of the traffic leaves I can adapt to the cement mixers. A friend said that they moved the trucks off the Malecon because the Avenue was sinking.. that with the run off and the rain and the weight of the trucks, there was a concern to protect the waterfront from the sea. I have no idea if it is true but it certainly made me feel better. That I may be going through this hellish time to Save the City,, and myself, from some oncoming mini tsunami.
 

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There are also fuel terminals at Palenque, Puerto Viejo Azua and there is a ship-to-ship transfer operation of liquid gas in the Bay of Ocoa where incoming bulk gas is offloaded into "mother ship" storage and then transferred to smaller "feeder" tankers for distribution to local ports and terminals.

I enjoyed your post, chock full of good information. This fuel terminal at Palenque caught my eye. There is an underground pipeline that carries the fuel eastward [to Haina?? I'm not sure], and it goes through one section of our property. From time to time men come to inspect the land.

We're not far from the Docimen Cement Factory [between Playa Nayajo and Playa Palenque], and they've been building a new road towards the Sea. We hear they're planning to build a port so that they can move their products in and out without trucking them. When/if that is done, there will be a lot of happy drivers and residents along the way, because the heavy trucks damage the roads and cause traffic to slow down.
 

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I enjoyed your post, chock full of good information. This fuel terminal at Palenque caught my eye. There is an underground pipeline that carries the fuel eastward [to Haina?? I'm not sure], and it goes through one section of our property. From time to time men come to inspect the land.

We're not far from the Docimen Cement Factory [between Playa Nayajo and Playa Palenque], and they've been building a new road towards the Sea. We hear they're planning to build a port so that they can move their products in and out without trucking them. When/if that is done, there will be a lot of happy drivers and residents along the way, because the heavy trucks damage the roads and cause traffic to slow down.

You are right AE.
The Palenque terminal facility is a SBM (single buoy mooring system) about 2.5 miles offshore. It actually belongs to the Dominican refineries "Refidomsa". Crude oil is discharged at the SBM into the pipeline then pumped eastwards through the pipeline to the refinery which is in the industrial area of Haina.
 

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This sounds like just the first phase. It sounds like they are paving from Haina to the Duarte Highway. KM 24 is NW of Carrefour and SW of Pontoja. That's about one sixth of the total distance of the completed highway.

La obra abarca desde el puerto de Haina, pasando por la carretera S?nchez y la autopista 6 de Noviembre, hasta empalmar con la autopista Duarte, en el kil?metro 24.
 

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Annie hate to tell you but gonna be a long time. The bridge at Km 24 that will be crossing Duarte, is not ready for traffic yet!
 

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Those 16 km, which will be ready december 2014, are indeed only the little part between Haina and Autopista Duarte. It does remove traffic that now takes Luperon to go north but won't help one bit for the traffic going to Caucedo. And I don't think that will be ready in december 2015 neither. I'd expect they aim for April 2016, just before the elections.