How Dominicans will fare in the individual baseball awards in 2005?

[toneloc24]

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The DH is part of the game. It is NOT a specialist's position like a closer or situational lefty pitcher, or pinch hitter. Many have spoken that being a DH is doubly difficult because "they" aren't in the game defensively, there's nowhere to go to forget about your last at bat.

My only conclusion is that you've (tonedeaf, easyflowin) never played the game, you're just another fool on the sidelines trying to write the story in your mind.

So there.

For further evidence that we're pissing in the wind, and how important defense is in the award's history, take a look back at the year Mo Vaugh won the MVP over Joey Belle.

Belle played a far finer LF than Vaughn played first (he sucked, I was there first hand) and Belle's offensive numbers were far superior; in runs (by 23) HR, RBI, hits, etc. He was the first player EVER to hit 50 doubles and 50 HR's in a season. Their offensive stats were not that close.

Vaughn won a game on opening day with a 3 run homer in the bottom of the ninth. He did it again in the next series, and a handful of times that year. Sound familiar? He only played in 140 games.

Another example: Barry Bonds has won the MVP in the NL for 4 straight. He's one the worst defensive OF in the game today (great in the past - long ago); blatantly lazy, makes Planet Manny look like a wiz.

Are you to say that just because he hauls his fat lazy arse out there every day that that fact alone garners him his MVP status? Or is it something else? Don't they talk about how he completely changes the game by just being IN the batting order?

If they had the DH in the NL, the Giants would be cruising into the playoffs because the "undisputed MVP" could have been playing for the past few months, instead of 2 weeks. Sounds like he could still be valuable - if he was in the batting order.

Point being, the DH is part of the game.

I've played the game in the past. Long time ago, only through varsity high school in baseball, and varsity football in college. Never was disillusioned into believing that I could go pro, so I enjoyed my experiences and quit on my own terms. Can you say the same?

If the DH were so widely respected throughout baseball, explain why, in approx. 30 years of its existence, no DH has made it to the HOF? Nor has any DH won the MVP? Why? Explain those FACTS. If you are the baseball "know-it-all" that you believe you are, then you'd be able to explain it.

The DH is a part of the game, but not a respected part. Against an everyday player and fielder, the DH's accomplishments diminish. HOF voters understand that, MVP voters understand that, but you don't? Your words and opinions, as does mine, hold NO weight. Let the facts tell the story.

No matter what you say about Jose Canseco, Mo Vaughn, Barry Bonds (8 Gold Gloves, 7 MVPs), Manny Ramirez, they ALL played in the field. Regardless of how good they fielded their positions, they were complete players when they won their MVP awards, not just hitters. ARod just so happens to excel at the plate, in the field, and on the bases, putting up better all-around numbers than Ortiz.

Plus, yesterday's display by ARod in Fenway helping the Yankees clinch 1st place in the AL East, while going 4 for 5 with a bomb of a HR off of your best pitcher, should pretty much lock up the discussion. That was clutch. In the same setting, Ortiz did nothing. It's a wrap. Get over it. I'm just hoping that Schilling serves up a dud today and ARod reaches 50 HRs in beating the BoSox in Fenway today.

It's really so simple once emotion is out of the mix. Who's the most valuable player in thr AL, not hitter? I wonder what your responses would be in the MVP candidates were Manny Ramirez and Ruben Sierra.

There's just a lot of hate in your system. Simple and plain. You can't be objective when it comes to ARod. Did he screw your wife or girlfriend or something? So much hate towards him. He's Dominican, be proud, not hateful.:laugh:

 

[easygoin]

dont worry

..is that there is deeper resentment.

Is it possible a few of you were fathered by a DH in a traveling team's motel?

Something is deeply rooted and goes against common sense. I feel like I'm debating the virtues of vanilla vs. chocolate ice cream with a couple 10 yr. olds.

The DH is part of the game. It is NOT a specialist's position like a closer or situational lefty pitcher, or pinch hitter. Many have spoken that being a DH is doubly difficult because "they" aren't in the game defensively, there's nowhere to go to forget about your last at bat.

My only conclusion is that you've (tonedeaf, easyflowin) never played the game, you're just another fool on the sidelines trying to write the story in your mind.

So there.

For further evidence that we're pissing in the wind, and how important defense is in the award's history, take a look back at the year Mo Vaugh won the MVP over Joey Belle.

Belle played a far finer LF than Vaughn played first (he sucked, I was there first hand) and Belle's offensive numbers were far superior; in runs (by 23) HR, RBI, hits, etc. He was the first player EVER to hit 50 doubles and 50 HR's in a season. Their offensive stats were not that close.

Vaughn won a game on opening day with a 3 run homer in the bottom of the ninth. He did it again in the next series, and a handful of times that year. Sound familiar? He only played in 140 games.

Another example: Barry Bonds has won the MVP in the NL for 4 straight. He's one the worst defensive OF in the game today (great in the past - long ago); blatantly lazy, makes Planet Manny look like a wiz.

Are you to say that just because he hauls his fat lazy arse out there every day that that fact alone garners him his MVP status? Or is it something else? Don't they talk about how he completely changes the game by just being IN the batting order?

If they had the DH in the NL, the Giants would be cruising into the playoffs because the "undisputed MVP" could have been playing for the past few months, instead of 2 weeks. Sounds like he could still be valuable - if he was in the batting order.

Point being, the DH is part of the game. If one was once your father, time to forgive mom and move on.

I'm through arguing with couch-ridden neophytes.

A-ROD MAY LET HIM EVEN HOLD IT.

you deadsox fan's are all the same....SOUR GRAPES.

 

[Cleef]

Huge loss today for the Yanks.

you deadsox fan's are all the same....SOUR GRAPES.

Nonsense. We're (now defending) World Champions. Nothing sour about that.

Have fun in CA!

 

[miguel]

Listen muchachos!

There's not denying that "Feito" Ortiz is a great and talented hitter. It does not matter to me if he is playing for the SUCKS because even if he played for my beloved Yankees, I would still feel the same way: HE IS A DH and does not deserve to win because he is not on the field "killing" himself day in and day out.

Many claim that he is a leader in the dugout. Who cares. Let him be a leader on the field also. Anybody can be a cheerleader in the dugout!.

To me, it would be embarrassing if they give to him when A-Rod is on the field, risking injuries every simple time the Yankees play.

Imo, even someone like Shefield (if he had better numbers) deserves it more than Ortiz. Shefield has been playing injured for months but he is taking it for the team!!.

Some kid that does not know much about baseball(although he thinks he does) told me that the DH position is as good as apple pie. I told him that the DH is not a position but rather a category and not as good as apple pie since baseball was "invented" many moons ago and the DH category was "custom-made" in the early/mid 70's.

Btw, only the Red Sucks fans are the ones that are so "into" Ortiz winning. Most baseball fans, even some AL fans, are against him winning since many do not repect the DH category!.

A-Rod should win.

 

[Pana]

What happended to Mr.MVP A-ROD, I rather have David Ortiz any day come up to bat in a clutch sitiuation even after waking up from a coma before for 5 years before A-ROD any day. Well the Yankees got what they paid for. Im sure some of the press who voted for him already would like to take back their votes, and give it to Ortiz.

 

[Cleef]

Here they come

My vote goes to Houston Street.

1-1.

Not sure I'm going to get any others, but the awards are coming out for the next 10 days or so.