Immigration Interviews - Focus on Communication and Family

laurar

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In Cathays defense I am sure she is feeling totally defeated at this present time. Knowing that you did all you could to send in every single piece of evidence, knowing that you and your husband know each other inside and out, knowing that he answered all questions truthfully and honestly and knowing that you both are in a genuine marriage BUT when the person interviewing just doesn't believe your relationship makes for much frustration and a feeling of defeat!!!
Keep strong Cathay and Lisa and all the others who are going through the same!!!
 

XXKWISIT

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Hello again,

To the ladies in relationships with Haitians, I met a girl who married a Haitian living in the DR. They dated for one year before getting married, she travelled down for the summer to live with him, while she was off school for the summer.They were both university students They opened a language school that he ran and she worked at while she was down there. They applied for sponsorship a few months after getting married and were approved within a year. He had his interview in Haiti and after waiting for 3 days at the VISA office. They had some problems with the application but apparently the VISA agent was very helpful with telling them what they needed to do.
Interesting to note that, this girl was told that it normally takes 2 years for Haitians to be approved and arrive in Canada and somehow he was here within a year. He has now been in Canada for 8 months and currently attending university.
I don't really know too much more about this case, as I don't know either of them very well, but I figured I would add this, because they were successful.
I hope this helps a little. If you PM I might be able to dig up some more info :)

CAT
 

XXKWISIT

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Hello,

Just a question on communication. My husband's english is not good. When we met, I barely spoke spanish and he spoke restaurant english and french. This is easily seen in our first few months of phone bills, as most of our conversations were 10 mins or less. I made the decision to teach myself spanish. I really wanted to be able to communicate with his family. (They are farmers and only his mother reads and writes, schooling is not really a priority) Because of my job, I work shift work, so most language courses didn't fit into my schedule and I would usually end up missing at least two classes because off my frequent trips to the Dominican; so I never took any courses. I bought books, CDs, verb books, listened to spanish music and lo and behold after about 10 months I could finally communicate with his family. Communicating with my husband in spanish took less time because he is used to hearing tourists butcher the language. Even if what I say doesn't make a whole lot of sense, he can usually figure out what I am saying. As for me understanding him, when he is talking to me he usually knows what words I won't understand and will explain them before I have to ask. It may sound complicated but after almost three years I can safely say we speak "Spanglish" and we very seldom have communication problems.
With that being said, on our application we wrote that I am fluent in spanish and that we communicate in spanish. We asked for his interview in spanish, as he might be able to understand me in english but other people usually speak way too fast for him to understand.
Now, how does the embassy know that I speak spanish well enough to communicate? Most native Canadians don't have much need for Spanish and most people are very surprised when I speak or answer someone in Spanish. With my light blond hair and light colouring, i hardly look Latina. Would the VISA office actually call me to ask me questions in Spanish? I wouldn't mind doing this, but has it ever happened?
It may seem like I am reading too much into this, but with all this waiting time, I can actually look for things to worry about...lol.
Anyways, any help or advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
CAT
 

Barbie38

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xxkwisit, my husband and I also speak a mean 'spanglish' and have no problems understanding each other. In the beginning I spent a lot of time with my dictionary translating words so we could talk, but I started private spanish lessons about 3 months into our relationship. I found it very frustrating not being able to communicate with his family and friends when I was there to visit. In about another 3 months I was conversing quite well with his family and get along well at the airport etc... I know what words he understands in English so use those along with spanish when we talk. From the beginning we spoke for hours on the phone although sometimes that was how long it took to just tell each other about our day...we still speak for at least an hour every night but the conversations are much easier now. I even had to explain to him recently that I was called for jury duty and with the help of a few key words in Spanish I was able to explain it all to him and he understood. I did indicate that I spoke Spanish and that is how we communicate but it is a good question, how do they know how well you speak the language.

Enjoying reading all of the responses and comments on this topic!
 

XXKWISIT

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Thanks Barbie!

I would also like to add that my husband was taking English classes for about 6 months at the American English School in Higuey where he lives, but I looked through his notes, as the do not provide text books and it seemed kinda hokey. Even the teacher was surprised by the amount of english that my husband knew, and I don't really think he got much out of the classes. He has learned more from me when I will only speak in English and he has a great understanding of English swear words thanks to my potty mouth.
Anyone else communicate mostly with their hubby in spanish?
 

brown_girl103

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Twillis,
I just think it's so unfair that they can make judgements based on anyone's age differences. It's almost like they are formulating their own opinions and biases and applying them to their decisions. That just does not make any sense. These IO's remind me of the police.... they have too much power, they know it and therefore they feel it's okay to abuse people... well, at least the police in WI are like that, I noticed in Canada, they aren't as bad. I actually got a ticket for having an air freshner hanging thingie on my rear view mirror, as an "obstruction of view." Yeah.... why I moved back here maybe? LOL!

I am excited to wear the Indian dress and hopefully my husband will be here so we can actually have our wedding celebration next summer, my mom jokes that I can get married with his picture present at the ceremony and that people actually do that? ... lol... I just messaged Sangria to post my timeline in that thread, but it's been in process in PAP since June 30th... I waited 5 months to apply due to us gathering all necessary documents.... He even went and got baptized to give them a baptismal certificate.

Haitilee,
I am glad there is someone else sponsoring a Haitian... I felt so alone not meeting anyone else who is doing the same as me... I guess we will have to wait and see how the process pans out for us. I think I may be going to Haiti in December afterall and I have half a mind to go to the embassy and turn in additional proof by hand.

XXKWISIT
Thanks for sharing that with us! Is there a reason that it would take Haitians 2 years to be approved as opposed to sooner? Not sure if they shared that info with you... but, I am very curious to find out why they would quote 2 years as an average... The funny thing about that is, my husband was told by the doctor who did his medical exam, that he would most likely be approved within 6 months... but, I know better than to believe all this hear-say....

Another thought I had was, would they look at it as being favorable that my husband lived in the US and studied there? Considering the US is known for having stringent immigration policies and Canada seems to mimick the US in terms of these policies as well? I thought I read in a forum at one point that they actually have a point system that they use and they factor in things like education, languages, etc?

Does anyone know if an MP is obliged to answer your requests? Not sure how that works here.

Thanks! :)
 

missrnb

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I do communicate only in spanish with my husband.

They did not ask any question about that at the interview as i recall.

I speak french, so french to spanish is pretty easy. It took me about 6 months to be able to have a conversation with anybody there. My hubby's so proud to answer to dominican that i'm no from spain but from canada!!!
 

XXKWISIT

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Hey Brown_Girl103,
I have no idea why she was told that and by whom. I am going to call her tonight to get some more info from her.
I think it helps that your husband was in the US and returned to Haiti, as it showed he didn't overstay his VISA. I think the points system is generally used for skilled workers, not so much for the family class. The moderator could probably give you the best answer.
My MP has been helpful so far...i have read that others have not been. I don't know if they are obliged to, but it's supposed to be what they are there for among other things. Have you been into the MP's office? I never called I just went in and someone helped while I was there.
Hope that helps a little.
CAT
 

kacy

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I think all couples speak spanglish to some degree - my husband and i are the same - we said english though because my spanish has not come along all that well - I speak it only with him and a little with his family... but after we were together for awhile my husband took an advanced english class in Santo domingo and his english has really come along ... I don't think they test your spanish - just your husband's english if you say that's how you communicate and our calls were short at first too - as we learned the language - that's ok...
 

XXKWISIT

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Hey Missrnb,
Thanks for your info. My first language is french as well, so learning spanish verbs and stuff was pretty easy. Did they ask your husband about his english? Does your husband speak english? I am assuming his interview was all in spanish?
 

XXKWISIT

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Thanks Kacy!
This is great information.
I feel a lot better about our way(s) of communicating.
Like I said, I am looking for things to stress about,lol, but if we are called to an interview I just wanna make sure I know what to tell my husband.
Thanks again :)
 

missrnb

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Hey Missrnb,
Thanks for your info. My first language is french as well, so learning spanish verbs and stuff was pretty easy. Did they ask your husband about his english? Does your husband speak english? I am assuming his interview was all in spanish?

I wrote that he can communicate in english, but i dont think she asked him to speak in english at the interview...all in spanish.

His english is not that good, so we went for spanish. He's now learning bit by bit words in french. He can understand more than he can speak.
 

Jess1

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Hi

Just to answer the english-spanish question. My hubby and I speak only Spanish. I'm very fluent in Spanish (I have family in Spain and I have been travelling to DR for a number of years).

He is taking English classes now but he will have to take ESL classes when he gets here.

If he needs to go for an interview it will have to be in Spanish for sure.

Jess
 

brown_girl103

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Hi XXKWISIT,

Thank you so much for inquiring about that..... I am so worried about this whole process, I am just trying to ease some of my pain....

Thanks for the MP info.... I just emailed her, I guess I will just go into her office this week and try to get some sort of assistance... do we generally need to make appointments or just go in? If she is not a helpful one, can I go to different MP's?

Yeah, I was hoping that his track record in the US would be helpful to our application. I am just trying to think of any reason to ease my fear here..... lol.... my husband is the calm, relaxed one in our relationship and I am the spazz who freaks out.... lol.... at least we got a balance of personality traits goin on.... :p
 
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twillis

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bg103, you remind me of myself at the beginning of this process. It will get easier, but I know it is difficult.

All the MP need is your husband's birthdate and file number. All they do it call into CIC and get an update from them.

My MP was very very slow, so I did go to another one. You should go to the MP in your constituency, but if she/he is not helpful, go to one in a parent's or friend's constituency.
 

El_Uruguayo

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Couple of things here.

First, points system, it is for skilled workers. You get points for Age(10), education(25), work experience(20), proficiency in an official language(15), proficiency in a second official language(5), adaptability(10), and arranged employment(15) - those are rough numbers. An applicant needs a total of 67 points out of 100. While it may seem tempting to go this route, other factors are at play such as finances, and now bill C. 50 which basically states that only applicants in certain professions (i believe there are 50 or so) will be approved. And it can take longer - unless there is a severe shortage of said profession. Emphasis is on familly reunification, the goal being to process applications for spouses and children within 6 months, while reality may tell a different story, this is indeed the goal.

What an officer is looking for is to make sure that a relation ship is bonafide / or if you prefer the more pesimistic view, the officer looks for signs of a marriage of convenience - and the other issue, likely hood that the person may use social assistance. Stories of younger trophy wives and younger studs hitting the road as soon as they arrive in Canada don't help colour the officer's lens as to the situation - these things make the press, and while they should not descriminate by country, it happens, so an officer will most likely look at an application differently in Haiti than in London. It is also good to remember that what they look for is the negative, and most probably have had people outright try to lie to them, decieve them, make contradictory statements etc. etc.

Now, all that being said, it is not 1 thing that will make an officer ask for an interview, but a combination of things that will lead them to certain conclusions. Age difference on its own is not a huge red flag, but combine that with a language barrier, financial disparity, and a short acquaintance before marriage/sponsorship, you have a red flag. Photos and evidence of communication are good, but what they truly want to see is that the lives are combined, and that things aren't one sided - more so to prevent a sanky from seeping through the cracks. It's not that I'm insinuating that for anyone, just that it has happened, and the sponsor was sure it was real, only to be duped - this now leaves the onus on the immigration officer to try and prevent that.

So, how to go about making a good application? Try to find holes in it, and fill them - if you cannot think of a way to fill those holes, perhaps a reevaluation is needed. For instance brown girl states she met her fiance in the US, and now helps support him. In a case like hers, I think it would be ideal to highlight somehow that when the relationship started that this was not the case, that he paid his bills, covered his way, and was not fully dependant on you, and that given the circumstances you support him, when the opportunity arrises he will carry his weight. Perhaps he can write letters showing his interest in Canadian companies in his field so that he can establish himself right away, he can show these letters to the official, or add them to the application.

If there is a language barrier, try to get some proof that each is attempting to learn the other's language, registration to courses, receipts for language books or CDs, etc.

Communications, show what you can, if you use phone cards, get a transcript of your phone records that show you call the access number.

Personally, I haven't done my sponsorship yet, but I should have it in within a few weeks. I will have a few holes in my application, as I'm not the type of person to document things. But, we have a child together, we will be getting married this weekend, and both my parents will be there. I have proof that our relationship has been going on for over 2 years now. I may be lacking in some photos, as in I don't have a huge quantity - not my style. Have phone records only dating for a few months - I do however have a few hundred phone cards, hehe. But i have proof over a span of time, we speak the same language, we're close in age, and while I might be supporting her now, she did support me for a while, and I will state that. I'll let you know how its going once all gets started.

Basically be as straight forward as possible, avoid anything that my look deceiving, avoid anything that may make it look as though the person is 100% dependant on you, think of tough questions and find answers to them, and if possible show that in your application.

It all comes down to two things really, 1) a legitamate relationship, and 2) a strong probability that the applicant won't use/abuse social assistance.
 
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sangria

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Great Post El_Uruguayo!

I am so glad that people are participating in this thread.

It helps to understand where we are all coming from when we learn more about each other.

I hope people keep posting and starting other discussions as well.

For the first time maybe ever, we have a large group of people who come from all different backgrounds in this group that are willing to share their stories, their opinions and ideas to help each other through one of the most difficult processes.

There are 23 people on the uncompleted timeline list right now and many more who are just starting or have already been through it.

Please Keep Posting!!
Sangria
 
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twillis

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El_Uruguayo, there is really good valid advice in your post. I wish I would have done more research before I applied. I had an immigration specialist - although he was helpful for moral support - he and his wife became good friends - I would have faired better reading all the posts from experienced people who have been through the process.

I have to say that I received my CAIPS notes and although they are in French, I did understand "grande difference d'age" - which angers me because CanWest (who I am very very happy for - so don't take this wrong) had the same age difference as my husband and I but it was reversed - he being the man - and he was approved without interview. But there were other concerns which I'll post after I do some actual work here at my job ;)

Good luck with your application! I hope you are one of the lucky ones who get it in 6 months.