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My attempt to get Residencia Definitiva not going well
I believe that it is longer, now. In any event, this, yes this, is exactly why I suggest that folk choose capable counsel. As someone who once worked in government, I have met too many government workers who did not know the law, regulations, or what they were doing.
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Constitución De La República Dominicana
SECCIÓN III - Del Régimen De Extranjería
Artículo 25 - Régimen De Extranjería
Artículo 25 Artículo 25.- Régimen de extranjería. Extranjeros y extranjeras tienen en la República Dominicana los mismos derechos y deberes que los nacionales, con las excepciones y limitaciones que establecen esta Constitución y las leyes; en consecuencia: 1) No pueden participar en actividades políticas en el territorio nacional, salvo para el ejercicio del derecho al sufragio de su país de origen; 2) Tienen la obligación de registrarse en el Libro de Extranjería, de acuerdo con la ley; 3) Podrán recurrir a la protección diplomática después de haber agotado los recursos y procedimientos ante la jurisdicción nacional, salvo lo que dispongan los convenios internacionales.
In other words exactly the same obligation as Dominicans according to the Constitution but cannot take part in political activities.
Matilda
SECCIÓN III - Del Régimen De Extranjería
Artículo 25 - Régimen De Extranjería
Artículo 25 Artículo 25.- Régimen de extranjería. Extranjeros y extranjeras tienen en la República Dominicana los mismos derechos y deberes que los nacionales, con las excepciones y limitaciones que establecen esta Constitución y las leyes; en consecuencia: 1) No pueden participar en actividades políticas en el territorio nacional, salvo para el ejercicio del derecho al sufragio de su país de origen; 2) Tienen la obligación de registrarse en el Libro de Extranjería, de acuerdo con la ley; 3) Podrán recurrir a la protección diplomática después de haber agotado los recursos y procedimientos ante la jurisdicción nacional, salvo lo que dispongan los convenios internacionales.
In other words exactly the same obligation as Dominicans according to the Constitution but cannot take part in political activities.
Matilda
In order to become a citizen, I have read comments from a number of posters that went the route of DR citizenship that it is strongly discouraged to use a lawyer to be naturalized. They much prefer you to do it without one. I certainly will take the non-lawyer approach as I did with my latest regularization of residency.
That was certainly correct when I did mine. Maybe it is just the marriage route as they wanted to meet my husband, they wanted to talk to me and not a lawyer. I did use a friend in the capital to hand in some additional paperwork but apart from that I did it all myself.
Matilda
I used one.... and she has done many others....
I had no interest in weekly trips to the offices to track paperwork & progress.
4 months -- and I should be in...end of Nov to end of March....exam to ceremony
For me - they skipped the interview - he was too busy
I had property, cars , 10 yrs...... seemed to be enough
I had no interest in weekly trips to the offices to track paperwork & progress.
4 months -- and I should be in...end of Nov to end of March....exam to ceremony
For me - they skipped the interview - he was too busy
I had property, cars , 10 yrs...... seemed to be enough
If it indeed takes weekly trips to Santo Domingo to become a citizen, that might cause me to reconsider my methods.
As you can read elsewhere here
Things won’t happen by themselves... someone needs to push the file along
They lost my stuff...supposedly...TWICE
They don’t call to tell you that...
When you follow up... then it surfaces ... their errors
Get a professional....my advice
Things won’t happen by themselves... someone needs to push the file along
They lost my stuff...supposedly...TWICE
They don’t call to tell you that...
When you follow up... then it surfaces ... their errors
Get a professional....my advice
It does not take weekly trips at all. You go once to hand in your paperwork and pay the exorbitant fee of RD$1,500. You then return to take your examination and interview and then back again to be sworn in. When you hand your papers in, find out the name of your case handler and their email. Then email them to check progress - they usually do answer the phone as well as emails - of course has to be done in Spanish. If they ask for one or two additional bits of paperwork then get a friend to hand it in for you. Now the issue of the bogus Interpol report has disappeared they aim to be done in 6 months from receipt of file to swearing in.
Matilda
I cannot agree more. DGM lost one of my documents once while I was outside the RD. The firm simply handled the matter and alerted me to the delay. Personally, I prefer not to interact with governments, unless I must.
I heard this. As I understand it, unless a government is looking for you, an individual will not trigger an Interpol alert. Moreover, if you are living in the country with permanent residency and staying out of trouble, DGM and Internal Security should not need an Interpol check.
If they lost my apostilled birth certificate and/or FBI report, etc., I would not continue the process by getting those documents again. It would not be worth doing that again.
I just checked a service that Matilda mentioned to me. Just to get an FBI report was several hundred dollars using them. Each of the several steps was another $50 or more US.
That I expect and can deal with myself.
I like lawyers even a little bit less than DR government agencies. It is a close contest.
Either I do it myself using notaries and translators when necessary or I won't do it at all.
We get the message Windy....
The only encouragement I can offer is that it seems all cases go differently.
You may get lucky....think Clint Eastwood......
I hope you do.
If frustration irks you - get ready.....
The only encouragement I can offer is that it seems all cases go differently.
You may get lucky....think Clint Eastwood......
I hope you do.
If frustration irks you - get ready.....
Oh, trust me, I fully understand why the people in Migracion are behind bullet proof glass. Last time I was there a lawyer overheard my plight with the idiotic woman agent told me to calm down and I would only make matters worse.
If they were to lose my documents at the Department of the Interior and Police and need such things again like a birth certificate, divorce decree and death certificate with an apostille, legalized and translated, I would simply stop trying for citizenship.
Very soon I get to see if they really have my new residency card at Migracion and if it is for one and "temporary" or four years and "permanent". That is the current quest.
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Matilda mentioned a company called Expat Services that offers getting an FBI background check in the DR.
The fingerprint office is in Santo Domingo. The charge is $100 US just for taking fingerprints and they are only open in the morning which means I would have to travel to Santo Domingo the night before just to get a set of fingerprints taken. After paying $100 US for that the charges just add up:
A bargain at over $400 US just for the FBI report, it is not, but yes it is an option if I never wanted to leave my house. I just noted a credit card is needed. I don't use credit cards in the DR (the FBI channeler is probably in the US, so that might not be an issue).
I think I can do all of that myself at considerably less cost. And that is only one document needed from the US for citizenship. There are at least two more from sources on opposite sides of the country.
The fingerprint office is in Santo Domingo. The charge is $100 US just for taking fingerprints and they are only open in the morning which means I would have to travel to Santo Domingo the night before just to get a set of fingerprints taken. After paying $100 US for that the charges just add up:
A bargain at over $400 US just for the FBI report, it is not, but yes it is an option if I never wanted to leave my house. I just noted a credit card is needed. I don't use credit cards in the DR (the FBI channeler is probably in the US, so that might not be an issue).
I think I can do all of that myself at considerably less cost. And that is only one document needed from the US for citizenship. There are at least two more from sources on opposite sides of the country.
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Soon they will make it too unpleasant and people will loose interest in continually fighting the process of ever-changing regulations and even visitors, as tourists, may loose interest in coming.
The one thing they did for tourists that was positive is adding the tourist $10 fee to the airline tickets instead of standing in line at the airport.
But at some point there will be enough straws to break people's will.
As B. Kliban said "The Wagon of Love Breaks Down Under the Baggage of Life"
I don't see any issues with the vast majority of tourists. They come for less than 30 days.
It is only after 30 days for snowbirds that needs work regarding snow bird visas that may never exist.
As for residency, it is much more difficult than before.
As for naturalization, I have yet to determine how easy it will be in my case. The list is long and some items may be more difficult to get than I care to attempt. I will be researching that starting this week.
True the tourists still come but prices are starting to make the DR a little less welcoming. Maybe the snow birds become less than 30 days. Maybe they need another Gringo round up to really drive the snowbirds away.
Everything has a beginning a middle and a peak and a decline.
Not sure where we are now, but it is for sure it's near the peak. Numbers for Punta Cana need to be watched. If they decline that could be the canary in the coal mine.
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