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My friend is in jail, can I visit him?
It seems to me that there should be some sort of reintegration program in the DR so that people deported with no support group in the country don't immediately head towards crime.
Although I suppose the country doesn't really have the resources to do such a thing and I wonder if a program would work on the sort of people deported, unless it is easier to be deported other than just having a criminal background.
This is too bad for the innocent people in the DR to be given such a problem and should probably be given more examination by the government given that crime seems to be ubiquitous.
Although I suppose the country doesn't really have the resources to do such a thing and I wonder if a program would work on the sort of people deported, unless it is easier to be deported other than just having a criminal background.
This is too bad for the innocent people in the DR to be given such a problem and should probably be given more examination by the government given that crime seems to be ubiquitous.
I have no advise to the OP what he or she should do to be able to see his / her friend in jail, but I don't believe people get deported for not paying their speeding tickets. I'm not from the US but in most countries this is a violation and not a crime. I know what I would have done myself in a similar situation, I would have dropped my "friend" and found another one. There's a reason why the guy was deported in the first place, deportees do occasionally kill people for nothing, I've seen it and I don't like it.
How illuminating. Thank you, Dominican Boy. So the OP is Dominican from a 'well recognised family' yet he comes to DR1 asking for advice about prison visiting............ H'mmmm.
People get deported from the US for committing FELONIES not speeding tickets... F E L O N I E S.
A felony is a crime that constitutes spending more than a year in jail. It can be violent or not.
Robbery, Burglary, Rape, Murder, Using a stolen Credit Card, Sodomy, Assault with a weapon, Drug dealing... these are the usual crimes
Not speeding, jaywalking, shoplifting, jumping over the turnstile, urinating in public, playing your radio too loud or slapping your wife across the face.
It's generally something SERIOUS and you usually SPEND time in jail before you are deported. Usually a couple of years before they get around to you. So... you've been sentenced to more than 1 year.
A felony is a crime that constitutes spending more than a year in jail. It can be violent or not.
Robbery, Burglary, Rape, Murder, Using a stolen Credit Card, Sodomy, Assault with a weapon, Drug dealing... these are the usual crimes
Not speeding, jaywalking, shoplifting, jumping over the turnstile, urinating in public, playing your radio too loud or slapping your wife across the face.
It's generally something SERIOUS and you usually SPEND time in jail before you are deported. Usually a couple of years before they get around to you. So... you've been sentenced to more than 1 year.
Thanks, that is what I thought too. Could anyone even imagine the logistics of trying to deport every illegal for minor crimes? - it just can't happen with the current manpower the Feds have allotted.
People can get deported due to something as simple as a traffic ticket, if the police officer stopping the person somehow realizes that they've overstayed their VISA, off they go. That is probably the most common reason for deportation, overstaying a Visa, and not fellonies.
So the OP wants to visit a friend in Jail, maybe he could provide some good advice to the person to keep them out once they get out. Because if the guy survives, he will get out at some point. Would people rather that criminals have a support network, or anyone to help steer them away from crime once they do get out, or be completely desperate, alone which will lead them to more crime?? All criminals get out at one point, so really it's in the benefit of everyone that people like aguacate visit criminals - even though they might be scum.
Really, does everyone feel better that they have called the OP a POS??? Some of the advice is good, but the rest of the self righteous posts make the lot of you seem like small minded people. If someone has never been to jail, or visited a jail is it logical to assume that you will be under surveillance after visiting? Does this happen in peoples home countries? Can't someone ask a question without it turning into a personal attack?
A lot of people here are from the US where over 1% of the population is in Jail, or on probation at all times - the US spends more on prisons than education. I find it hard to believe than none of the people here know someone who has been to jail, or at least had a childhood friend that went to jail. Anyhow, maybe you guys are the cream of the crop, but you sure as hell don't act like it - reminds me of highschool.
So the OP wants to visit a friend in Jail, maybe he could provide some good advice to the person to keep them out once they get out. Because if the guy survives, he will get out at some point. Would people rather that criminals have a support network, or anyone to help steer them away from crime once they do get out, or be completely desperate, alone which will lead them to more crime?? All criminals get out at one point, so really it's in the benefit of everyone that people like aguacate visit criminals - even though they might be scum.
Really, does everyone feel better that they have called the OP a POS??? Some of the advice is good, but the rest of the self righteous posts make the lot of you seem like small minded people. If someone has never been to jail, or visited a jail is it logical to assume that you will be under surveillance after visiting? Does this happen in peoples home countries? Can't someone ask a question without it turning into a personal attack?
A lot of people here are from the US where over 1% of the population is in Jail, or on probation at all times - the US spends more on prisons than education. I find it hard to believe than none of the people here know someone who has been to jail, or at least had a childhood friend that went to jail. Anyhow, maybe you guys are the cream of the crop, but you sure as hell don't act like it - reminds me of highschool.
El Uraguayo, Overstaying a visa or parking violation is not the same as robbery. You are not comparing apples to apples.
I would bet you have never been the victim of a robbery. I have. It is a terrifying, life changing experience.
I stand by my first post. I hope the pond scum, POS does enough time to be released when he is an old man and no longer able to commit any more robberies. The OP calls him a friend. He belongs in the same catagory, pond scum POS.
I would bet you have never been the victim of a robbery. I have. It is a terrifying, life changing experience.
I stand by my first post. I hope the pond scum, POS does enough time to be released when he is an old man and no longer able to commit any more robberies. The OP calls him a friend. He belongs in the same catagory, pond scum POS.
Ok, I understand that feel that the thief is a POS, which is fine - but is the OP a a POS???? because that's how he's being treated.
And as to the reason the person was deported, everything on here is pure speculation, I'm just saying it's possible to have something minor turn into a deportation order.
And yes I have been robbed at gunpoint, big deal, it didn't really change my life, it gave me a story, removed me of some money, and my shoes, but that's about it.
I don't really think it's fair to qualify the OP as a POS because he may have an acquaintance, or a child hood friend, or a friend, whatever that commited a crime. I guess you are all saints, and he is guilty by association.
Thank you for allowing me to bask in your greatness, I'm not worthy.
And as to the reason the person was deported, everything on here is pure speculation, I'm just saying it's possible to have something minor turn into a deportation order.
And yes I have been robbed at gunpoint, big deal, it didn't really change my life, it gave me a story, removed me of some money, and my shoes, but that's about it.
I don't really think it's fair to qualify the OP as a POS because he may have an acquaintance, or a child hood friend, or a friend, whatever that commited a crime. I guess you are all saints, and he is guilty by association.
Thank you for allowing me to bask in your greatness, I'm not worthy.
btw. I don't hold thiefs in high regard, and I do feel sorry for their victims. And yes, I think that people should pay for their crimes, but how long should they have to pay??? As I said, they are not going to be in jail forever, most probably a few months to a few years. If they have some sort of circle or even a couple of people to talk to, help them out, who are not criminals, they will have a much better chance of not recommiting crimes. Studies say so. My point is that aguate visiting his "friend" in jail, might just help people like you from being the victim of another crime. Sure, they can all rot in hell, but in the meantime, they have plenty of years to raise hell on earth.
Although I did not call the OP a POS, I would like to respond to you.
The OP stated that the imprisoned person was his good friend.
It appears that his good friend is committing crimes with violence in the DR.
I contend that if the OP still considers him a good friend, that the OP lacks morals and ethics.
He has that choice to make.
Either he can take the righteous route and dump the old friend because he disapproves of his violent criminal ways, or he can approve of his good friend's actions, and remain friends.
If he chooses the latter, then he would never be my friend, nor that of any decent law abiding respectful human being.
It's his choice.
"Although I did not call the OP a POS, I would like to respond to you.
The OP stated that the imprisoned person was his good friend.
It appears that his good friend is committing crimes with violence in the DR.
I contend that if the OP still considers him a good friend, that the OP lacks morals and ethics.
He has that choice to make.
Either he can take the righteous route and dump the old friend because he disapproves of his violent criminal ways, or he can approve of his good friend's actions, and remain friends.
If he chooses the latter, then he would never be my friend, nor that of any decent law abiding respectful human being.
It's his choice."
Well, personally I think it's kind of spineless to just turn your back on someone without word as to why. Being that the one person made a big mistake, which would put a friendship into question, I'd at least want to tell that to the person's face. Personally I wouldn't want to remain friends with a thief, but I'd tell them that they messed up, and that I can't hang around people that are criminals, or that they deserve time in jail - and that's what I would do if a "good friend" of mine were in a similar situation. Showing somehow that other people matter to you, will show other people to do the same. Abandoning someone completely will only perpepuate the cycle. Perhaps staying "friends" with someone who is scum, might actually make them want to redeem themselves, and improve themselves. So if it is a question of morals, it's really a tough call to make that it is imoral to remain friends with someone who has committed a crime. Perhaps it is immoral to not try and steer the person in the right direction? Not everything is black and white.
The OP stated that the imprisoned person was his good friend.
It appears that his good friend is committing crimes with violence in the DR.
I contend that if the OP still considers him a good friend, that the OP lacks morals and ethics.
He has that choice to make.
Either he can take the righteous route and dump the old friend because he disapproves of his violent criminal ways, or he can approve of his good friend's actions, and remain friends.
If he chooses the latter, then he would never be my friend, nor that of any decent law abiding respectful human being.
It's his choice."
Well, personally I think it's kind of spineless to just turn your back on someone without word as to why. Being that the one person made a big mistake, which would put a friendship into question, I'd at least want to tell that to the person's face. Personally I wouldn't want to remain friends with a thief, but I'd tell them that they messed up, and that I can't hang around people that are criminals, or that they deserve time in jail - and that's what I would do if a "good friend" of mine were in a similar situation. Showing somehow that other people matter to you, will show other people to do the same. Abandoning someone completely will only perpepuate the cycle. Perhaps staying "friends" with someone who is scum, might actually make them want to redeem themselves, and improve themselves. So if it is a question of morals, it's really a tough call to make that it is imoral to remain friends with someone who has committed a crime. Perhaps it is immoral to not try and steer the person in the right direction? Not everything is black and white.
I think if you see that person understands they made a mistake and wants to change - you should try to help. Otherwise - it might be dangerous. It is like that "friend" I met in the DR who lies to everyone around him - he said he wants to change and that is why I gave this friendship a couple of months. Afterwards I realized his "change" was something else from what I thought it would be and I gave up. I have a child to support and cannot be a mother Teresa for those who don't even want to know what is right or wrong.
Great retort tht!!!
But I have a re-retort. it goes like this: No, you're wrong.
from the ICE website:
"ICE agents make an average of 279 administrative arrests and 55
criminal arrests." administrative arrests are those of overstayed visas or illegal immigrants.
http://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/ICE-06AR.pdf
"Daily Statistics
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, officers,
legal professionals and intelligence analysts in offices throughout
the country and around the world protect our nation. As an agency
and in partnership with local, state, national and international governments
and agencies, ICE takes steps every day to ensure the
safety of U.S. citizens. Between October 1, 2005 and September 30,
2006, threats were thwarted; illicit weapons, drugs and currency
were seized; arrests were made; buildings were protected; tips and
leads were processed and illegal aliens were detained and deported.
Below is a glimpse into a day in the life of ICE.
On any given day:
• ICE agents make an average of 279 administrative arrests and 55
criminal arrests.
• ICE agents make about 10 currency seizures per day, totaling
approximately $642,096.
• ICE agents also participate in an average of 18 drug seizures per
day, totaling about 2,388.80 pounds of marijuana, 7.10 pounds
of heroin and 475.26 pounds of cocaine.
• In immigration courtrooms, ICE attorneys prepare about 1,430
cases, create 683 new case records, create 562 new document
records and obtain 528 final removal orders.
• ICE detention facilities house approximately 19,729 aliens.
• ICE officers prevent nearly 2,385 prohibited items from entering
federally-owned and -leased facilities.
• Intelligence officers of the Forensic Document Laboratory receive
15 requests for real-time support from the field to assist in
determining the validity of documents.
• ICE attach?s screen more than 547 visa applicants."
But I have a re-retort. it goes like this: No, you're wrong.
from the ICE website:
"ICE agents make an average of 279 administrative arrests and 55
criminal arrests." administrative arrests are those of overstayed visas or illegal immigrants.
http://www.ice.gov/doclib/about/ICE-06AR.pdf
"Daily Statistics
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, officers,
legal professionals and intelligence analysts in offices throughout
the country and around the world protect our nation. As an agency
and in partnership with local, state, national and international governments
and agencies, ICE takes steps every day to ensure the
safety of U.S. citizens. Between October 1, 2005 and September 30,
2006, threats were thwarted; illicit weapons, drugs and currency
were seized; arrests were made; buildings were protected; tips and
leads were processed and illegal aliens were detained and deported.
Below is a glimpse into a day in the life of ICE.
On any given day:
• ICE agents make an average of 279 administrative arrests and 55
criminal arrests.
• ICE agents make about 10 currency seizures per day, totaling
approximately $642,096.
• ICE agents also participate in an average of 18 drug seizures per
day, totaling about 2,388.80 pounds of marijuana, 7.10 pounds
of heroin and 475.26 pounds of cocaine.
• In immigration courtrooms, ICE attorneys prepare about 1,430
cases, create 683 new case records, create 562 new document
records and obtain 528 final removal orders.
• ICE detention facilities house approximately 19,729 aliens.
• ICE officers prevent nearly 2,385 prohibited items from entering
federally-owned and -leased facilities.
• Intelligence officers of the Forensic Document Laboratory receive
15 requests for real-time support from the field to assist in
determining the validity of documents.
• ICE attach?s screen more than 547 visa applicants."
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With "Friends" Like Him,You Don't Need Enemies!!!
After not wasting my time reading all these posts,I'll bet that you are a girl,in love with this guy!
Stop wasting your time,AND OURS, with this thread! You are obviously looking for someone to validate your poor judgement!I sure won't!
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After not wasting my time reading all these posts,I'll bet that you are a girl,in love with this guy!
Stop wasting your time,AND OURS, with this thread! You are obviously looking for someone to validate your poor judgement!I sure won't!
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Allright Uruguayo I apologize. I didn't realize we were discussing this planets entire population, I thought it was Dominican deportees sent from the US back to the DR. Over and out.
Apology accepted. But given the rates as I quoted, do you really think that most of Dominican deportees are deported for criminal reasons? I don't know, I'm asking.
I agree, Lambada, hmmmmm is right!
To the OP - if your family is a well known family in the DR, why would you put their reputation in jeapordy by frequenting the jail to visit a deportee/armed robber. Considering the nature of the crime ( trying to rob a Colonel - to top it all off!), don't you think you should just try to send some pigeon (not literally) to offer your help and stay the heck away from this situation. If you do not care about your future ( and it sounds like you have been in trouble before, even if it was just with the Aduana), at least think about your family and their life here!
If there is any truth to the statement about your family, that is.
Marlie
No it doesn't happen in people's home countries (unless you visit someone convicted of espionage) which is precisely why some of us advised the OP thinking he was a foreigner & may not know that here, right now in the DR it is very logical to assume that if he were to visit someone who attacked a police colonel then he would be a marked man. Any gringo seen as a friend of someone who tried to rob the police would be in the same position. 'Marked' doesn't just mean honorable police keeping an eye out, it means dishonorable ones trying to relieve the OP of some of his loot for their navidad.
Course now it transpires the OP is Dominican & from a well recognised family (his words) so I really don't understand why he's asking here.
El Uruguayo, you seem to think that what happens in peoples home countries is relevant to what happens here, so I can only assume you've never lived here? There is a type of logic which applies in DR but it is totally different from others I had previously experienced.
And extrapolating from this instance to the general subject of prison after-care (non-existant here) & rehabilitation (just beginning) is a bit of a leap. I think what most of us were concerned about was that the OP shouldn't put himself at risk. It was the OP after all, who posted his question. Had it been his inmate friend who posted a question then I'm sure the answers would have been different.............
And I don't think we're too concerned over whether the inmate was deported for an immigration violation or a crime. The relevant factor is that he committed a crime here.