New tailings dam would require relocation of a community near Cotuí

[Dolores]

During the public hearing to explain to the community the impact of the tailings dam to be built for Barrick Pueblo Viejo to continue exploiting gold resources in Sánchez Ramírez province, it was learned that several communities would have to be relocated. The gold mining company presented the environmental impact study for the tailings dam. The site entails the relocation of families from El Hijo, Arroyo Vuelta, El Rayo, Las Tres Bocas, El Naranjo and Jagua Mocha, the six communities that the project would impact, according to the impact study.

Populations in other sites for the tailings dam have rejected the installation of the tailings dam.

The public hearing was held in the town of Arroyo Vuelta. The miing company presented a summary of the results of the environmental impact study of the proposed tailings dam. The dam would have a length of four kilometers and a height of 157...

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[Sailor51]

Besides the displacement (with compensation?) of residents, it is an enviromental disaster in waiting. Tailing ponds have been discontinued by others [as mentioned] for that reason. Potasium Cyanide is used to leach the gold from ore. Imagine a pond, or lake of that size, topping the levee. I'm guessing it depends on how much they're willing to spend.

 

[Big]

The mine which employs almost all Dominicans is as environmentally sound as an open pit mining operation can be. From dust remediation to switching to natural gas from fuel oil. Pressure oxidation and yes cyanidation is used. Massive amounts of taxes are paid to the D.R and local communities prosper as well. It is one of the largest gold mines in the world and one of the best kept economic secrets here.

 

[Constanza]

The mine which employs almost all Dominicans is as environmentally sound as an open pit mining operation can be. From dust remediation to switching to natural gas from fuel oil. Pressure oxidation and yes cyanidation is used. Massive amounts of taxes are paid to the D.R and local communities prosper as well. It is one of the largest gold mines in the world and one of the best kept economic secrets here.

Is it a fair contract though or is the state getting fleeced?

 

[Yourmaninvegas]

Straight mafia like power move of the privileged against those who have not...again
This is 🇩🇴
Tell me this not really going to happen and that the public hearing was not just a show.
Wouldn't happen next to Paintini or Casa de Campo if it was geographically possible.

 

[bob saunders]

Is it a fair contract though or is the state getting fleeced?

385 million dollars US in the governments hands in 2020 alone.

 

[JD Jones]

385 million dollars US in the governments hands in 2020 alone.

I've always been wary of the numbers, even though I have nothing to base my opinion.

I have to assume the numbers are above board and common knowledge because it all gets exported and the handling is supposedly very transparent.

I think the income is great for the country, but I also think they need to avoid expansion with a tailing Dam like the plague.

 

[Big]

Straight mafia like power move of the privileged against those who have not...again
This is 🇩🇴
Tell me this not really going to happen and that the public hearing was not just a show.
Wouldn't happen next to Paintini or Casa de Campo if it was geographically possible.

you are correct, it would not happen in Casa de Campo or Paintini. There is no gold, silver and copper in those locales.

 

[Yourmaninvegas]

Wouldn't happen next to Paintini or Casa de Campo if it was geographically possible.

This point was made to say that the privileged have power the have nots do not.
Wasn't the Hard Rock hotel stopped?
And if the mine was next to the casa de campos of the privileged here it would not have even made it to a public hearing.
I said if it was geographically possible.
That was to make an illustration and for those with understanding to see that I know there is "no gold, silver and copper in those locales".

I present the following article for those with understanding. We are not in Brazil. But this is an example of the danger this kind of construction presents:

Brazilian Dam Collapse in 2019: Vale fined $7 billion in compensation

Vale, the company owning a mining waste dam that collapsed in 2019 was fined $7 billion in compensation. On January 25, 2019, an 86-meter dam operated by Vale,...

www.geoengineer.org

 

[Big]

haves and have-nots, lol, The mining operation employs several thousand Dominicans making them "haves".

 

[CristoRey]

This point was made to say that the privileged have power the have nots do not.
Wasn't the Hard Rock hotel stopped?]

Good point.
Had to do with height restrictions and traffic/ parking issues if I'm not mistaken.

This counrty has allowed the extraction for export tons of gold from these mines over the past few decades yet the communities in the surrounding areas remain in impoverished living conditions thanks to the culture of corruption.

I've been telling Dominicans for years this country aint poor, it's just extremely mismanaged by a bunch of greedy people who have tricked you into believing their lies.

With so much attention being paid to the destruction of the environment lately and the USA's twisting this country's arm about pollution control, I do not think this will be approved/ move forward regardless of how many people would be forced to relocate.

 

[Big]

Good point.
Had to do with height restrictions and traffic/ parking issues if I'm not mistaken.

This counrty has allowed the extraction for export tons of gold from these mines over the past few decades yet the communities in the surrounding areas remain in impoverished living conditions thanks to the culture of corruption.

I've been telling Dominicans for years this country aint poor, it's just extremely mismanaged by a bunch of greedy people who have tricked you into believing their lies.

With so much attention being paid to the destruction of the environment lately and the USA's twisting this country's arm about pollution control, I do not think this will be approved/ move forward regardless of how many people would be forced to relocate.

The Pueblo Viejo Mine does a fraction of the environmental damage as a bilge dumping cruise liner. The mine will be viable for another 40 years and pays huge taxes. Ag, mining and manufacturing provide countless opportunities here.

 

[Yourmaninvegas]

There is a big difference between owners and workers.

Only the privileged who have probably never worked their entire lives and had all of the cash flow producing assets given to them don't realize the the difference.

Having a job...
Step up from indentured servitude.
Most jobs you are making people nothing more than a wage slaves.

And I am speaking a man who did not come from privilege.
My Father and Mother taught me to stay on my grind.
Until I could level up.

The dam is a bad idea.
In my opinion.

@CristoRey you are dead on 🎯 on this particular issue.

 

[CristoRey]

The Pueblo Viejo Mine does a fraction of the environmental damage as a bilge dumping cruise liner. The mine will be viable for another 40 years and pays huge taxes. Ag, mining and manufacturing provide countless opportunities here.

I agree the manufacturing sector does provide countless opportunities here but
the opportunities provided by the mining sector are rather limited. Taxes are important
however corruption helps to ensure the monies collected never goes where it's needed most.

 

[Sailor51]

I need to make a correction. Sodium Cyanide is used and not potasium. My bad. Oh and Big, the workers may have stepped up from "have nots" but are most definately not in the "have" catagory.

 

[Sailor51]

Good point.
Had to do with height restrictions and traffic/ parking issues if I'm not mistaken.

This counrty has allowed the extraction for export tons of gold from these mines over the past few decades yet the communities in the surrounding areas remain in impoverished living conditions thanks to the culture of corruption.

I've been telling Dominicans for years this country aint poor, it's just extremely mismanaged by a bunch of greedy people who have tricked you into believing their lies.

With so much attention being paid to the destruction of the environment lately and the USA's twisting this country's arm about pollution control, I do not think this will be approved/ move forward regardless of how many people would be forced to relocate.

The US isn't one to complain about pollution with their rercord.

 

[JD Jones]

The Pueblo Viejo Mine does a fraction of the environmental damage as a bilge dumping cruise liner. The mine will be viable for another 40 years and pays huge taxes. Ag, mining and manufacturing provide countless opportunities here.

I still remember the damage that was done in that area years ago.

IIRC, the Pueblo Viejo folks had to come in and clean up the mess that was left behind.

The thing to remember is that tailing dams are where mining waste is stored forever. Not for 30, 50, or 100 years. Once it's there, it's there for good.

Who would be responsible for a dam failure 25 years from now?

 

[Big]

I need to make a correction. Sodium Cyanide is used and not potasium. My bad. Oh and Big, the workers may have stepped up from "have nots" but are most definately not in the "have" catagory.

well than Sir, you are not familiar with their compensation

There is a big difference between owners and workers.

Only the privileged who have probably never worked their entire lives and had all of the cash flow producing assets given to them don't realize the the difference.

Having a job...
Step up from indentured servitude.
Most jobs you are making people nothing more than a wage slaves.

And I am speaking a man who did not come from privilege.
My Father and Mother taught me to stay on my grind.
Until I could level up.

The dam is a bad idea.
In my opinion.

@CristoRey you are dead on 🎯 on this particular issue.

that is because you don't know the difference between a damn and a dam

 

[Big]

I still remember the damage that was done in that area years ago.

IIRC, the Pueblo Viejo folks had to come in and clean up the mess that was left behind.

The thing to remember is that tailing dams are where mining waste is stored forever. Not for 30, 50, or 100 years. Once it's there, it's there for good.

Who would be responsible for a dam failure 25 years from now?

there are thousands of dams and sediment ponds all over the world. Everyone in the world lives near one. If you drive, watch TV wear jewelry or use medicine you contribute.

 

[Tarheel]

The Pueblo Viejo Mine does a fraction of the environmental damage as a bilge dumping cruise liner. The mine will be viable for another 40 years and pays huge taxes. Ag, mining and manufacturing provide countless opportunities here.

Please give us some facts to back up the lack of environmental damage. Thank you.