I don't think prostitution in Sosua is going anywhere anytime soon. If ho's are not allowed to act freely in Sosua, they will go clandestine, but they won't go away because that is where mongers go looking for them. I do think some measures should be taken to protect the rights of those living in Sosua or visiting for non-sexual tourism. But I believe those streets already devoted to prostitution should be let to operate freely to avoid prostitution from spreading everywhere and becoming a lose/lose situation.
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No More Bar Stools On Sidewalk In Sosua
Dear Lindsey,
I Understand that you're talking about long term plans, but have you ever thought about the consequences on short or middle long term. Think they would be devestating for the locals and the local businesses if the whole business model changes. As somebody else already mentioned, money coming in gets spend directly to local businesses.
Agree with you that for long term with the plans they have it could be a good thing, but seriously it would be diffcult because like you know most of the people in DR only think short term, i'm sorry maybe only 1 week/1 month ahead of the situation (that is what short term is over here). I hope that you don't forget that this ain't US or europe where people have long term plans. Here Long term in my opinion is like 6 months to a year max!
I Understand that you're talking about long term plans, but have you ever thought about the consequences on short or middle long term. Think they would be devestating for the locals and the local businesses if the whole business model changes. As somebody else already mentioned, money coming in gets spend directly to local businesses.
Agree with you that for long term with the plans they have it could be a good thing, but seriously it would be diffcult because like you know most of the people in DR only think short term, i'm sorry maybe only 1 week/1 month ahead of the situation (that is what short term is over here). I hope that you don't forget that this ain't US or europe where people have long term plans. Here Long term in my opinion is like 6 months to a year max!
Unsafe Sidewalks
I am from Europe.
In those cities the sidewalks are wide enough to accommodate some tables and chairs (a permission from the municipality for a fee is needed for that) and still pedestrians are not forced to walk in the street.
Whereas here pedestrians are not safe from crazy drivers and 'motoconchos' even on sidewalks.
And I am not even talking about (man)holes that could swallow you entirely....
donP
I am from Europe.
In those cities the sidewalks are wide enough to accommodate some tables and chairs (a permission from the municipality for a fee is needed for that) and still pedestrians are not forced to walk in the street.
Whereas here pedestrians are not safe from crazy drivers and 'motoconchos' even on sidewalks.
And I am not even talking about (man)holes that could swallow you entirely....
donP
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I Know that in the Netherlands business owners have to pay a certain amount (depending of the square meters they own) for the right to place tables and chairs. But hope the DR won't go this way, because with all this rules they are going to make up they will lead to people/business owners move to different countries where they got less rules. Why u think we all came here, because of less bureaucracy, hope this trend doesn't follow up because otherwise i don't know here it's going to end. Firts they start thios than this and than that blablabla. you all know where i am going to!
I am from Europe.
In those cities the sidewalks are wide enough to accommodate some tables and chairs (a permission from the municipality for a fee is needed for that) and still pedestrians are not forced to walk in the street.
Whereas here pedestrians are not safe from crazy drivers and 'motoconchos' even on sidewalks.
And I am not even talking about (man)holes that could swallow you entirely....
donP
Lindsay - Well said.
For those that worry that the chicas will be jobless, would'nt it be nice if they could land real jobs?
I think the mayor does have a vision. And it's probably a win win for everyone. Sosua sits in the middle of a potentially "perfect storm" of progress. Cruise ships, nice coastline, nice bay, 10,000 babyboomers retiring a day, int'l airport, short flight to US, new condos, villas and AI's in place, 24 hr med center, world economy turn-around....
And yes, we all know the putas will always be around, but maybe downtown on Pedro Clisante is not the best place for them or the town.
For those that worry that the chicas will be jobless, would'nt it be nice if they could land real jobs?
I think the mayor does have a vision. And it's probably a win win for everyone. Sosua sits in the middle of a potentially "perfect storm" of progress. Cruise ships, nice coastline, nice bay, 10,000 babyboomers retiring a day, int'l airport, short flight to US, new condos, villas and AI's in place, 24 hr med center, world economy turn-around....
And yes, we all know the putas will always be around, but maybe downtown on Pedro Clisante is not the best place for them or the town.
Walk, if you can.
Indeed, it is the occupation of public space which has become a problem in many towns.
And I would bet there is a law...
Drama mayor - ElNacional.com.do
donP
Indeed, it is the occupation of public space which has become a problem in many towns.
And I would bet there is a law...
Drama mayor - ElNacional.com.do
donP
The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
Do you really believe that taking the tables off the sidewalk in front of a few bars is the end of Sosua as a tourist town?
The majority of people who eat and drink in Sosua don't sit on the sidewalk. Are they going to vanish with the sidewalk tables. People were coming to Sosua long before the Flow and Rumba put some tables on the sidewalk. And the same people who came to Sosua last month will come again in the future.
Hard to bellieve there is somebody who actually thinks that the only thing that brings people to Sosua is a few tables on the sidewalk of Pedro Clisante.
I can't understand why anyone would think that Sosua or even Puerto Plata will ever become a prime tourist destination. That ship sailed many years ago. There are so many destinations in the caribbean that are set up for that level of tourist.....not the northe coast of the DR. The amount of money that would need to be put into the area for this to happen would be astonomical....
Sosua and Puerto Plata are what they are...the mayor would be better off playing to its strengths and not beating it down in hopes of some pie in the sky dream.
Sosua and Puerto Plata are what they are...the mayor would be better off playing to its strengths and not beating it down in hopes of some pie in the sky dream.
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Some very informative & well thought out theories on this thread , but also some very incorrect assumptions as well.
First of all the BAN of tables and chairs is ONLY for bars, and not restaurants. Not sure if restaurants were also included at first and then later excluded, or if the enforcement was just not property understood, after all this is Sosua, and even Helmet laws change from one day to the next, it seems.
So it seems to be affecting ONLY El Flow and Rumbas.. make assumptions as you wish based on Willy and his new investment spot just down the strip…speculate all we want but as was stated, even the curtains and temporary windows were eventually taken down during the last big “crackdown” , so it’s highly unlikely that this latest ban will last for very long.
Secondly, the timing was immediately after the shooting, and yes it was in front of El Flow, but STARTED in Latinos, or whatever it’s called now.. If you read about the shooting, the chair beating and the subsequent shooting death of the guy they called Barbarian or whatever, it is very clear WHERE THIS STARTED. And it was NOT at El Flow.. not at all. So the chairs had NOTHING to do with it. (that’s my opinion though, Im not Dominican using Dominican Logic, a true oxymoron if there ever was one)
So , one could assume that the Mayor was acting in good faith ?, to try to prevent such “chair beatings and shooting deaths ” in future ? , OR one could assume she was REACTING to it, and even using it as an opportunity to Rattle up the business owners on PC, in the continued harassment of the Strip Bars, and Putas etc.
One thing for SURE, The real estate investment backers are for real, it’s going to happen.. the only question is WHERE the “red light district” will be a couple years from now. Right now its Pedro, from Rosen to the Sosua Bay Hotel. This is obvious to anyone who has been in town more than 2 days. So, Will the lights of Pedro continue to shine a little longer, as they did in Times Square NY back in the day ? , or is this new Dawn of big Hotels and Expensive condos and Villas coming faster than we think ? who really knows… But one thing for sure.. Iliana and the Real Estate Backers DO have a BIGGER plan for Sosua.. and we are watching it unfold right before our eyes. Heck, even Super Playero is blowing out walls and going even BIGGER, the clues are all right there. The Big will survive and the small will be gone.
Just my .02
First of all the BAN of tables and chairs is ONLY for bars, and not restaurants. Not sure if restaurants were also included at first and then later excluded, or if the enforcement was just not property understood, after all this is Sosua, and even Helmet laws change from one day to the next, it seems.
So it seems to be affecting ONLY El Flow and Rumbas.. make assumptions as you wish based on Willy and his new investment spot just down the strip…speculate all we want but as was stated, even the curtains and temporary windows were eventually taken down during the last big “crackdown” , so it’s highly unlikely that this latest ban will last for very long.
Secondly, the timing was immediately after the shooting, and yes it was in front of El Flow, but STARTED in Latinos, or whatever it’s called now.. If you read about the shooting, the chair beating and the subsequent shooting death of the guy they called Barbarian or whatever, it is very clear WHERE THIS STARTED. And it was NOT at El Flow.. not at all. So the chairs had NOTHING to do with it. (that’s my opinion though, Im not Dominican using Dominican Logic, a true oxymoron if there ever was one)
So , one could assume that the Mayor was acting in good faith ?, to try to prevent such “chair beatings and shooting deaths ” in future ? , OR one could assume she was REACTING to it, and even using it as an opportunity to Rattle up the business owners on PC, in the continued harassment of the Strip Bars, and Putas etc.
One thing for SURE, The real estate investment backers are for real, it’s going to happen.. the only question is WHERE the “red light district” will be a couple years from now. Right now its Pedro, from Rosen to the Sosua Bay Hotel. This is obvious to anyone who has been in town more than 2 days. So, Will the lights of Pedro continue to shine a little longer, as they did in Times Square NY back in the day ? , or is this new Dawn of big Hotels and Expensive condos and Villas coming faster than we think ? who really knows… But one thing for sure.. Iliana and the Real Estate Backers DO have a BIGGER plan for Sosua.. and we are watching it unfold right before our eyes. Heck, even Super Playero is blowing out walls and going even BIGGER, the clues are all right there. The Big will survive and the small will be gone.
Just my .02