North Coast blackouts are back for Class A circuits

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zoomzx11

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Appreciate the heads up Winde.
Got the news just as I was looking at flights.
Saved me a good bit of aggravation and suffering.
 
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slowmo

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The Electricity companies can't even be bothered to invent their own excuses any more!

My electric provider in Canada came up with a "salty fog" excuse a couple of years ago for a widespread power outage.
 
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franco1111

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There was no electricity from 9 am to 4 pm today. In La Romana. I thought it was a good idea to come stay at the rental house while they were fixing some things at the apartment with planta. Not. The only problem is the refrigerator actually. Inversor works good for most other things.
 
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USA DOC

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...yes the completion of the Brazilian build power plant in Punta Catalina....is very effective...but not at producing electricity...…..
 
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botemon

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Oh... your going to love this one! For the first time in 12 years, for the last week we have had power 24/7. I am counting the days and today is day 8!!! La Isabela, 20 min west of Luperon!! We have solar so I don't care but.....sorry ya'll!!! Bwaahahahahaaa!! I Love this country!!! No...really ...I do!!!
 
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etolw

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He,he.. I live in ProCab Cabarete, and none recently here.
https://dr1.com/forums/search.php?do=getnew&contenttype=vBForum_Postblackouts

After the maintenance of the high voltage circuits late august I decided to buy a battery monitor for the inverter batteries, since they did not last many hours and I wanted some diagnosis capability. Of course, since the battery monitor was installed, no blackouts.....
I inherited a generator also when I bought the house, of course not long ago blackouts were more frequent in Cabarete.
Generator only needed to run twice this year.

Edenorte has (although slow) progress in supplying power.
 
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frank recktenwald

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Could this maybe have something to do with Venezuela, weren't they supposed to supply the DR with oil and maybe they're not sending enough?
 
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ljmesg

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I heard this Tuesday most of the entire North Coast will suffer a 24 hour blackout while they do nothing to fix the long ago decayed electric infrastructure.
 
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etolw

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Could this maybe have something to do with Venezuela, weren't they supposed to supply the DR with oil and maybe they're not sending enough?

There are lack of fuels for two plants, why I do not know.

The four generation plants that are out of service (Haina Gas, Palamara, San Felipe and Itabo) have stopped offering 512 megawatts and, as explained, this is due to three reasons: breakdown (Itabo 2), lack of fuels to operate (San Felipe and Palamara) and administrative problems (Haina Gas).
In addition, Punta Catalina is still in the testing phase.
Edesur reported on Twitter that Punta Catalina is being tested, providing 300 megawatts, but has not yet entered the Insterconnected Electric System.


I have only had blackouts on my circuit for announced planned maintenance the last months, next one coming this Tuesday as reported.
 
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ljmesg

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Could this maybe have something to do with Venezuela, weren't they supposed to supply the DR with oil and maybe they're not sending enough?
More power would help but hardly the answer.

The power company does not collect nearly 50% of what its owed from consumers of power in the DR.

Chew on that for a second.
 
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etolw

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More power would help but hardly the answer.

The power company does not collect nearly 50% of what its owed from consumers of power in the DR.

Chew on that for a second.


Agree. It is policy to cut power first/most on circuits with less payments/more people stealing power. Here in Cabarete A circuits in Callejon were cut multiple times, but my circuit in ProCab stayed on. I guess I am lucky and my neighbours pays their bill.

Edenorte policy

Currently, EDENORTE has 233 circuits throughout the Northern region of the Dominican Republic, of which 122 are category "A", 16 in group "B", 8 in "C" and 87 in "D" .

More and more are the communities that, by making their payments on time, receive the energy service 24 hours a day.

HOW TO HAVE ELECTRICITY SERVICE 24 HOURS AND ROUTE TO WHOM YOU MUST CONTACT THE COMPANY TO START THE APPROACH BETWEEN COMMUNITY / COMPANY.

The community must pay their bill 100% and keep it up to date, to start an approach the community must go to the social management department which has a team in each of the sectors to offer an efficient service to the community.
 
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Cdn_Gringo

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Today's rant...

The onus should be on the distributor to curtail electricity feeds to customers who do not pay, not punish those customers who do pay their bills irrespective of which area they live in. I had a neighbor who was often in the US. He forgot to pay Edenorte in advance before leaving on a 3 month trip stateside and in no time at all electricity to his property in a gated community was disconnected. So I know Edenorte can do it to paying customers when they feel so inclined.

The logistics of such an operation would only require an inspector on a pasola touring around a neighborhood for 8 hours a day testing circuits that are on a list as have been previously disconnected. Even easier at night, if the lights are on... Find a reconnected circuit, call in a crew to disconnect it again and remove as much illegal wiring as they can each time.

Clearly people don't feel inclined to pay if they can get it for free without much of a hassle. This chronic theft could be addressed with a bit of determination and political will. Keep adding a $200 USD penalty to an account (yeah I know they don't pay) every time the seal at the meter is broken or a crew has to remove an authorized tap. After it is clear the message isn't getting through, force a PN guy out from under the shade tree to lay a charge of theft.

Why entire neighborhoods and towns need to be disconnected to work on whatever they do every Tuesday boggles my mind. Obviously the system has no builtin redundancy or ability to re-route around problems. Could go on for days trying to figure this out. Lots of problems in this country with the delivery of electricity. Every aspect of the "system" (and I use the term very loosely) seems to be a complete clusterf*ck. If the utility can't do both, you would think they would be good at either delivering power or collecting payment from customers and disconnecting those who don't pay. As it is, the utility appears to be a dismal failure at every aspect of their business.

The govt should threaten to nationalize any private generation plant that fails to consistently meet it's contracted delivery obligations. There is no legitimate reason for a power plant to sit idle for any length of time due to maintenance or lack thereof, insufficient fuel to generate power or any other reason not to produce electricity. Of course the govt also should ensure that performing generators get paid.

Apart from the Ede's locking the doors and walking away, I'm not sure how the situation in this country could get any worse.
 
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windeguy

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The scheduled blackout time is normally exceeded, so 4 hours becomes 5 to 6 hours. At least for the past several days there have not been any blackouts for us.
 
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windeguy

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One problem as Cdn_gringo points out is the lack of enforcement in barrios. They most certainly will cut my power if I don't pay for even one month. They relocated transformers to telephone poles for most people so that the illegal hook ups would be easier to spot. They monitor the total power coming in to our development and put in smart meters so they can tell how much energy is "lost" and not paid for very easily. They can track down the areas where power is still stolen and they have.

At one time years ago they created an "electricity police" that tried to go into the barrios and disconnect illegal hookups. It failed miserably in a short time. They received many threats. They did not have the balls to keep disconnecting illegal hook ups

The reason for the incompetence in maintenance and any continued lack of enforcement of power theft is because the EDE's are government agencies. They should be disbanded and the generators paid directly. Then there would be direct motivation to catch the thieves.
 
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chico bill

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One problem as Cdn_gringo points out is the lack of enforcement in barrios. They most certainly will cut my power if I don't pay for even one month. They relocated transformers to telephone poles for most people so that the illegal hook ups would be easier to spot. They monitor the total power coming in to our development and put in smart meters so they can tell how much energy is "lost" and not paid for very easily. They can track down the areas where power is still stolen and they have.

At one time years ago they created an "electricity police" that tried to go into the barrios and disconnect illegal hookups. It failed miserably in a short time. They received many threats. They did not have the balls to keep disconnecting illegal hook ups

The reason for the incompetence in maintenance and any continued lack of enforcement of power theft is because the EDE's are government agencies. They should be disbanded and the generators paid directly. Then there would be direct motivation to catch the thieves.

Thieving is an accepted practice by many in DR, electricity they must feel is their basic right just like the neighbor's TV
 
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Cdn_Gringo

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The inability to generate and deliver enough electricity to meet the demand is nothing short of scandalous. The hows and whys of this situation are secondary at this point. In this country during August/September the inability to turn on a fan during the hottest part of the day is inexcusable. Inverters/generators should be an option for customers to deal with unexpected events that occur from time to time due to severe weather or a drunk driver taking out a transmission pole or two, not an every other day 4 to 6 hours "scheduled" blackout of an entire area just because there isn't enough electricity to consistently deliver to those who do pay for it on time.

Oh well, whining about it doesn't change anything. We'll see how it goes between now and Tuesday evening. I've got lots to drink and a bucket to pee in during the times when there is nothing else to be done.
 
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windeguy

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Thieving is an accepted practice by many in DR, electricity they must feel is their basic right just like the neighbor's TV

There have been ad campaigns on TV and radio to address this very simple concept. Theft is theft, but the government agency EDE's are all talk and little action about enforcement in the barrios.
 
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Cdn_Gringo

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Is it even possible (practical) to charge someone with the theft electricity and have that proceed through the court system ending in some sort of meaningful resolution? If there is no deterrent, or at least the acknowledgement of a potential consequence for an action, what's the point? Which part of the philosophy is more important, the carrot or the stick?