Pedro Martinez

[Musicqueen]

Well, well, well

Mr. Minaya AND Mr. Martinez with the Queen in spring training...wouldn't that be a lovely picture???

My three favorite teams, winning the World Series, in back to back years...

2003 Marlins, 2004 Red Sox...and 2005...THE NEW YORK METS, BABY!!!

There you have it...my prediction...make a note of the date...

Love you guys! Have a wonderful Christmas!!! I think it's an awesome present for all the long-suffering Mets fans around the world...

MQ

 

[rafael]

Music Queen as a lifetime Met fan I share that dream, but the odds of the Mets winning WS in 2005 are not very good. I can see from 2006 and beyond the Mets being in the thick of the WS chase every year.

The Mets were not nearly as bad last year as the record shows. Young stars like Jose Reyes who is just ELECTRIC. The whole team seems to be energized when he is playing. David Wright who I predict will be the leader of the Mets for the next 10 years. Victor Diaz another Dominican is getting a shot to start in LF most likely. He is called "mini manny" as he has won batting titles at every minor league level and showed some promise in his cup of coffee last year.

Pedro will most likely have a very good first year or two. We'll see how the second two years go. The Mets finally have an ace pitcher and their rotation is VERY good. Solid all the way through Pedro, Glavine, Zambrano, Benson, Trachsel. All of those guys can keep you in the game.

If Minaya can get a big bat for the OF and a high OBP or power guy for 1b, plus they tweak the bullpen a bit. They will score some runs.

Last year it was very Rare to have the real starters on the field. In Many games they had to use Todd Zeille, Shane Spencer, Karim Garcia, Eric Valent, Danny Garcia and Joe McEwing.

They are putting together a good core of young guys that will hopefully be around a LONG time. The next 2 years, they free up a bunch of salary from Piazza, Floyd, Glavine etc. Before signing Pedro and Benson the mets payroll for 2005 was at about 65 million, so Omar has room to add more players.

The Mets may have one of the most Dominican based teams around. There is still talk at getting Odalis Perez and trading Trachsel for more offense such as Nick Johnson etc.

Jose Parra and Fortunato may be added to a pen that already has Heredia, plus the starting line up will have Reyes and Diaz, plus Pedro in the rotation.

Minaya is still talking about getting Alou, Ramierez or god forbid sammy sosa.
It seems he would only take sosa if the cubs are practically giving him away. The sox may be less likely to want to trade manny now, but if the Mets pulled off getting Manny. . . . . .they would be instantly improved. . . .albeit with 2 headcases now in the club house. . . .2.5 if we count Pedros "little friend". . . .

 

[Golo100]

The best move

1) I am glad the ungrateful Boston fans will not have Pedro to kick around anymore, specially the Boston sportwriters. Boston did not deserve a World Series, specially one handed in a silver tray by Pedro. I was praying for the Babe Ruth curse to continue. The Red Sox are a disgrace to baseball, specially their fans. Pedro ruined his all-time record going to an American League team and missing a sure 300+ strikeouts every year with those extra 3 K's National league pitchers get for free facing happless pitchers at bat.
However, I am not too happy he is going to the Mets. Pedro always picks the worst teams to pitch for. Why isn't he lucky enough to land with the Cards, Atlanta or a good hitting, supporting team? As to those DR1 people who think he is over the hill, don't forget that on his worst year he was better than 98% of the pitchers in baseball. Besides, I do not want Pedro's number retired in Boston. Let Boston eat crow. They lost Clemens for the same reason.
2)Now to the ungrateful Chicago Cub fans. Let them have another 100 years without a championship! They deserve the worst after the way they treated Sammy. I don't want Sammy's number retired in Chicago either. Let Chicago keep their second string Hall of Famer Ernie Bank to themselves...why..Sammy already left Ernie biting the dust with his lousy 512 home runs. Chicago does not deserve a 600 HR hitter.Who else do they have to brag about? They let their only bright star slip away(Greg Maddux)slip away. And to think that Sammy has to take advice from Dusty Baker, a guy who could not hit in the same league with Sammy.
TW

 

[Larry]

I'm shocked he signed with the Mets. What reasons did he give? It had to be more than the money and the 4th year.

The rivalry won't be the same without Pedro throwing at Yankee batters.

Larry

 

[Jersey Devil]

Let's Go Mets

With Pedro now on board at least the Mets shouldn't finish last in the East this year. I see this signing as a good move by the Mets.

Golo,

Calling Ernie Banks a second string Hall of Famer is pretty low. Did you actually see him play? There is a reason why Ernie won back to back MVPs
in 1958 and 1959. He was a Great ballplayer. As for the Cubs' organization
they maybe ungrateful but I think we should leave out the hate on Ernie Banks.

Let's play two,

JD

 

[Cleef]

You're such a fool Polo

1) I am glad the ungrateful Boston fans will not have Pedro to kick around anymore, specially the Boston sportwriters. Boston did not deserve a World Series, specially one handed in a silver tray by Pedro. I was praying for the Babe Ruth curse to continue. The Red Sox are a disgrace to baseball, specially their fans. Pedro ruined his all-time record going to an American League team and missing a sure 300+ strikeouts every year with those extra 3 K's National league pitchers get for free facing happless pitchers at bat.TW

You're such a baseball neophyte it defies explanation?or my patience.

Go back to shining your pistola and waxing your hot rods you dwebe.

You continually post nonsense and it gets picked apart by the laymen of the land, from baseball to economics to your 'boy who cried wolf' ? "hippo must come back, Leonel sucks" thread (that was really well thought out).

Try staying on one side of the tracks?oh, and have a point, it makes it more enjoyable for the readers.

Pedro had his worst year (statistical or otherwise) in his illustrious history, he was treated like a saint in boston?and you're saying he delivered the Title?

WHAT? Can you explain that service? Yeah, he delivered it like the DR postal system does.

Red Sox Nation is a disgrace to baseball? They are the first and only fandom to be awarded the Sports Illustrated Sportsmen of the Year. Want to try that assault again? (Remember my advice on having a point, please).

It's clear you get your news from one spot only - the headlines in Diario Libre - or whomever tailored that purple suit you wear...BarneyPolo, GoloBarney? "Barnolo" sounds like a swear, I like it.

And what "all-time record" are you referring to? K's? Tough to get 300 k's when you only go 6 innings.

And now that he no longer has impunity in drilling the best batter on the other team, he's going to have some trouble with his machismo?he might still be the man, but he'll do it on his culito or with one in the ribs. We'll see how his game changes then.

Best wishes to the Mets, but they got suckered by Pedro. Minaya will rue the day he agreed to that move. He's already bumbled a few things. You think Pedro's going to listen to the rules set forth by Willie Randolph? HA HA.

He didn't even secure the signing?while agreeing to the 4th year, and Cuza (P.M.'s agent) turned his back and tried to parlay that with the Sox - who said "say yes to the Mets offer and Good F'n Luck!"

Mark my words, come June or July, when the Mets are clearly out of it, Martinez will pitch only sparingly, never go over 100 pitches/6 innings, the clubhouse will despise him (as they did in Boston, and that's about as cool a group as you'll get) and all his special handling, hotel suites, limo's, planes and extended mid-season breaks. Good luck Willy!!!

I really do hope it works out for him, I really do! But?and I'll bet my life on this?not one single other team would even consider such an offer to someone with an almost completely torn labrum, regardless of any other factors.

IF?and this is a huge "if"?he doesn't pass his physical, his world is going to be turned upside down.

Saaaaaaaaaawwwwwx offer is off the table.

 

[NY1]

Don't buy totally into skeptics who make Martinez sound like he's held together by superglue that could dry up any minute. You listened all September to how Pedro had lost it, then flipped to the final season statistics to find him second in the American League with 227 strikeouts (in 217 innings) and tied for sixth with 16 wins.

Then he went out in Game 3 of the World Series to shut out the Cardinals on three hits for seven innings.

It sure is surprising he doesn't need a cane to get to the mound.

Yes, it's true that his 3.90 ERA last season was nearly a run and a half higher than his prior career figure. But the occasional atrocious outing distorted that number. Thirty-three earned runs in 30 1/3 innings came in five starts against Baltimore and the Yankees.

Know what that means? That he was more than good for 28 other starts (2.94), and that he should be glad to be out of those teams' division.

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/...content_id=922470&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp


Not too shabby for someone who's lost his skills. Oh and by the way, Pedro was reared in the NL. He hit guys in the NL at the same rate he hit them in the AL.
So go take your lemons elsewhere. Speaking of duping a team, when do the Sox pony up to Varitek's demands?

 

[Cleef]

Dollar value for a 6 inning pitcher

NY1Not too shabby for someone who's lost his skills. Oh and by the way, Pedro was reared in the NL. He hit guys in the NL at the same rate he hit them in the AL.
So go take your lemons elsewhere. Speaking of duping a team, when do the Sox pony up to Varitek's demands?

He was reared there, but the Pedro we know today was built in the A.L.

As for skills, he's far more skilled now then when he was coming up in LA/Montreal, only now he doesn't have the horsepower or the stamina to go a full game - or 7 innings for that matter. Think about all that money and what you're paying for. Hoping for the best - in my opinon - still won't get the dollar value. Moreso with a team that has a long hill to climb and still has to beat out 3 very good teams just to get to the playoffs (Philly, Atlanta and the '03 champion Marlins).

Boras and Varitek have already backed off their original demands, if that signing doesn't happen........it will be vinegar in my lemonade.

I love lemonade.

 

[NY1]

Cleef, you sound like a Sox fan, have you looked at Pedro's career stats? If you had, you'd know that in his 13 year career, twice, has he pitched more innings than he did in 2004, TWICE.

Of course the Mets hope for the best. It doesn't matter if you're paying Kris Benson $7 million or Pedro $14 million, you always hope for the best. I'll take my chances with the guy who finished 4th in the AL in the CY Young award race, in 2004. Bet you didn't know that either. Or that he was 9th in ERA, 6th in wins, 4th in walks to hits ratio, 3rd in hits allowed, 2nd in strikeouts, 8th in games started and 6th in innings pitched. I could go on, but you're a Sox fan, you know what you've lost, right?

The Mets do have a long hill to climb, but the winter has just begun. I'd take Martinez, Glavine, Benson, Trachsel and Zambrano right now compared to the Sox's rotation. Schilling, Arroyo, Wells, Wakefield and ?????

 

[jrzyguy]

Sigh

Ex bpstonian here living in the NYC area....(yes...that is hell).

I kinda thought the sox would still go for pedro.

I am torn as to how i really feel tho. I undertand the desire for more bucks....but the sox offered a pretty damn good deal to someone is perhaps iffy for the long haul. I think they still should have gone for it...even if pedro doesnt perform like he does in the past....they would have a GUARANTEED closer....somthing that was kinda week in the past season...despite the world series win.

Sure the press gave him a bit of a tough time (he didnt do interviews)...but i do miss the days of team loyalty.....and where was the sox's loyalty to ruth??? I dunno tho..does he REALLY need the extra 10 mil?

Boston loved him....but he is obviously going to the bucks (but hey...we lost curtis martin...patriots...and have managed to win two superbowls without him. I think it is pretty much the same story with pedro).

As far as playing for the mets (and thank GOD not the yanks!!!!), he already has his championship ring....so why not go for the money.

see...i am totaly conflicted...i just wish this whole process was done faster...the sox have now missed out on some good pitchers that were available.

I am rambling....i am just feeling so conflicted over this....not happy....but lord only knows how this will work out for the sox.....the BETTER keep varitek now!!!!!!!!!

Well...at least my father got to see the sox win a world series before he dies...and my grandmother was one of the few people who saw them win TWO (she just passed two weeks ago).

 

[Cleef]

So it goes

Cleef, you sound like a Sox fan, have you looked at Pedro's career stats? If you had, you'd know that in his 13 year career, twice, has he pitched more innings than he did in 2004, TWICE.

Of course the Mets hope for the best. It doesn't matter if you're paying Kris Benson $7 million or Pedro $14 million, you always hope for the best. I'll take my chances with the guy who finished 4th in the AL in the CY Young award race, in 2004. Bet you didn't know that either. Or that he was 9th in ERA, 6th in wins, 4th in walks to hits ratio, 3rd in hits allowed, 2nd in strikeouts, 8th in games started and 6th in innings pitched. I could go on, but you're a Sox fan, you know what you've lost, right?

The Mets do have a long hill to climb, but the winter has just begun. I'd take Martinez, Glavine, Benson, Trachsel and Zambrano right now compared to the Sox's rotation. Schilling, Arroyo, Wells, Wakefield and ?????

Yup, I know what we lost, he's all that and more. But, hope isn't going to get you 4 years of his service - incredible good fortune is the only thing that will make the contract even edible. If you're going to lay out that kind of cash, you'd better be getting something on the upswing, not someone with a bad wing, and a "me first" attitude. He could throw 7 brilliant innings on opening day, point towards the sky and you may never see him again. It can happen, we've been living through that thought for a few years now.

More to the point, are you paying him for what he did for us, or for what conventional wisdom is telling you he'll do with a far inferior team?

Keep in mind also that the Saaaaaaaawx handled him with kids gloves the past 4 years - to get the most effectiveness from his innings, and it worked very well. I hope he gets the same treatment in Queens because he'll blow out otherwise. That's not hype, it's fact.

You really would take the Mets starting rotation over 3/5's of the World Champions (Yes, "WORLD" Robert, send us your cricketeers!) and the addition of Pot Belly Wells?

Glavine's excellent, but very beatable. Benson's wife will get more publicity than her husband. Zambrano? C'mon, if you had Kazmir instead I'd entertain the thought, but Trachsel and Zambrano over Wakefield/Arroyo/????. I'll take the guy with the ????'s.

 

[NY1]

Yup, I know what we lost, he's all that and more. But, hope isn't going to get you 4 years of his service - incredible good fortune is the only thing that will make the contract even edible. If you're going to lay out that kind of cash, you'd better be getting something on the upswing, not someone with a bad wing, and a "me first" attitude. He could throw 7 brilliant innings on opening day, point towards the sky and you may never see him again. It can happen, we've been living through that thought for a few years now.

Funny stuff. So the Sox 3 year offer was good, the 4th year friom the Mets were bad? In case you're wondering the Mets have a bit of cash to play around with. Not to mention, they are starting their own network in '06 which will infuse a ton of more cash to the team.
So Pedro had a "me first attitude" huh. Welcome to sports in America in the 21st century. I'd bet you booed him every one of those 7 years because of that me first attitude huh, or is that only a problem now because he left your Sox?

More to the point, are you paying him for what he did for us, or for what conventional wisdom is telling you he'll do with a far inferior team?

Why would the Mets pay Pedro for what he did for the Sox? Inferior teams get better when they get better players, the Mets clearly got one. If they hadn't, you surely wouldn't be whining about it. I haven't heard a peep from Bosox fans because they will lose Lowe. Why, because Lowe had a bad few years for the Sox. If Pedro is through as a pitcher, you should be happy he's leaving, not talking sour grapes about it.

Keep in mind also that the Saaaaaaaawx handled him with kids gloves the past 4 years - to get the most effectiveness from his innings, and it worked very well. I hope he gets the same treatment in Queens because he'll blow out otherwise. That's not hype, it's fact.

Ah yes, Pedro was a great pitcher because the Soxc handled him with kid gloves. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! 217 innings pitched, 2nd in the AL, how many times do I have to repeat this for you? How many more innings should he have pitched in 2004?

You really would take the Mets starting rotation over 3/5's of the World Champions (Yes, "WORLD" Robert, send us your cricketeers!) and the addition of Pot Belly Wells

Glavine's excellent, but very beatable. Benson's wife will get more publicity than her husband. Zambrano? C'mon, if you had Kazmir instead I'd entertain the thought, but Trachsel and Zambrano over Wakefield/Arroyo/????. I'll take the guy with the ????'s.

Once again you show your limited knowledge of baseball. As bad as the Mets have been, take a look at Trachsel's numbers, that's right Steve Trachsel's numbers and compare them to Wake's, Arroyo's or Lowe's. Benosn's been a .500 pitcher on some REALLY bad teams, what might he do on a decent team?
Whatever the case, the Sox are weaker than they were in October 2004, much weaker and you still have no catcher or SS or 1b.

 

[jrzyguy]

Whatever the case, the Sox are weaker than they were in October 2004, much weaker and you still have no catcher or SS or 1b.[/QUOTE]


yeah...us sox fans KNEW this was coming.....and thats why it HAD to be done this year...and they did it!!!!!!!!...with pedro AND the rest of the TEAM.

I wish him the best with the mets....but i wont cry if his shoulder gives him a lot of problems

 

[NY1]

Hey jrzyguy, I agree with you on that. If I were a Sox fan, Pedro can go screw himself for leaving my team. There is no loyalty in sports, I'm just glad we gained an un-loyal player, rather than losing one.

 

[Cleef]

So the Mets win December! Congratulations!

Funny stuff. So the Sox 3 year offer was good, the 4th year friom the Mets were bad? In case you're wondering the Mets have a bit of cash to play around with. Not to mention, they are starting their own network in '06 which will infuse a ton of more cash to the team.
So Pedro had a "me first attitude" huh. Welcome to sports in America in the 21st century. I'd bet you booed him every one of those 7 years because of that me first attitude huh, or is that only a problem now because he left your Sox?

Where is all this venom coming from? I thought you were happy to have him. I'm happy you took him.

Do you think the Sox really wanted him to take their offer? I don't, neither did anyone else. Why weren't the Yankees competing for him? What did they offer him? NOTHING. He asked for the meeting with the MFY's and they wished him luck. NO ONE ELSE came calling, no one.

Why would the Mets pay Pedro for what he did for the Sox? Inferior teams get better when they get better players, the Mets clearly got one. If they hadn't, you surely wouldn't be whining about it. I haven't heard a peep from Bosox fans because they will lose Lowe. Why, because Lowe had a bad few years for the Sox. If Pedro is through as a pitcher, you should be happy he's leaving, not talking sour grapes about it.

No one said he's through, but he could be real quick. Again, check out the real deal and tell me what the Mets were paying for?

What's this about Lowe's bad years? He put up 81 saves in 3 years, then comes back the next 3 with 52 wins. He's leaving for a variety of reasons, most of which is that he simply wants to. He's NEVER going to be a #1, so why pay him like one? That's what the farm system is for.

So you didn't get my point about the Mets paying Pedro based on what he's already done. Let me try this in a different way; here's his declining value, THIS is what you just bought:

[B]Year  BR/9 IP  - H/9 IP  - SO/9 IP  - SO/BB ratio  [/B] 
2000     7.22     5.31                   8.82
2001     8.19     6.48      12.57        6.52
2002     8.98     6.50      10.79        5.98
2003     9.79     7.09       9.93        4.38
2004    11.20     8.00       9.41        3.72

(BR - Batters Retired/9 innings pitched)
(H - Hits.....)
(SO - Strikeout.....)
(SO/BB - Strikeout to Walks.....)

Once again you show your limited knowledge of baseball.

Did I?

As bad as the Mets have been, take a look at Trachsel's numbers, that's right Steve Trachsel's numbers and compare them to Wake's, Arroyo's or Lowe's. Benosn's been a .500 pitcher on some REALLY bad teams, what might he do on a decent team?
Whatever the case, the Sox are weaker than they were in October 2004, much weaker and you still have no catcher or SS or 1b.

Perhaps, but we're also the WORLD CHAMPIONS, and the Mets are no better than when they ended '04. Piazza is baggage, Floyd, et al are not gonig to make it happen. The young kids are just that, a lot of promise? and with one huge and horrible role model rolling into town.

So Trachsel has good numbers against weak teams' 4th and 5th starters, big deal. That division has been won by the same team for 15 years, and they've only gotten out of round 1 in the playoffs ONCE!!!!

In the end, this is all moot; NO WAY, NO HOW, Pedro passes the physical.

Your handle "NY" should stand for "Next Year".

 

[trina]

Once again you show your limited knowledge of baseball.


Whatever the case, the Sox are weaker than they were in October 2004, much weaker and you still have no catcher or SS or 1b.

Them's fighting words. Cleef knows more about baseball than the combined knowledge of most people on this board. He could easily put most Sportswriters to shame.

While I agree on the lack of a SS (unless they sign Renteria, who's a great SS, even if his bats aren't up to par), I think Mientkiewicz has the makings of a great 1st baseman, given the chance. We'll see what happens this year.

We'll also see if Bellhorn can break his own strike-out record this year. :nervous:

 

[ninapup]

Boras and Varitek have already backed off their original demands, if that signing doesn't happen........it will be vinegar in my lemonade.

Your lemonade will stay sweet, we don't have to worry about that. The Sox will not let Varitek slip through the cracks anymore than Varitek wants to slip through them.

AS far as Pedro is concerned, after watching him on NESN this AM, I felt he looked a little sad and a little apologetic as he said he had to do what was best for him. As far as Boston not loving him... that's nuts! The fans were crazy for him even when his first inning pitches went flying over the green monster. Fenway was packed every game this year and it was impossible to get tickets when Pedro pitched. We'll miss him, when he was good he was very, very good but the Sox will not miss him after next mid season. It was time for him to go. How many pe$o$ is that????

 

[NY1]

Where is all this venom coming from? I thought you were happy to have him. I'm happy you took him.

Venom? Surely you're not talking to a Mets fan. The only whining is coming from Beantown, not Gotham.

Do you think the Sox really wanted him to take their offer? I don't, neither did anyone else.

Keep kidding yourself. The Sox 3 year offer was more than the Mets' 3 year offer. That doesn't sound like a team that didn't want a player back. How the Mets dumped Leiter, that's the way a team acts when they don't want a player back.

Why weren't the Yankees competing for him? What did they offer him? NOTHING. He asked for the meeting with the MFY's and they wished him luck. NO ONE ELSE came calling, no one.

A few things. The Yankees, no matter what Posada and Jeter said, did not want Pedro because of his history with the team, NOT his ability. No one came calling for Pedro, because of the price, NOT ability. Who's come calling for Carlos Beltran? Does that mean no one wants him or that 95% of the teams can't afford him?

What's this about Lowe's bad years? He put up 81 saves in 3 years, then comes back the next 3 with 52 wins. He's leaving for a variety of reasons, most of which is that he simply wants to. He's NEVER going to be a #1, so why pay him like one? That's what the farm system is for.

Lowe's leaving because the Boston fans were merciless. Why, because the last two years, not his Boston career, the last 2 years, he's let the team down. Simple.

So you didn't get my point about the Mets paying Pedro based on what he's already done.

Oh I know Pedro's stats, I recited them for you and where he stood among his peers in 2004. Is this the Pedro of 1998-2000? Of course not. However, the 2004 Pedro was still beter than 95% of the pitchers in MLB, and that's not too shabby. He's gone from being the best pitcher in the game, to being a very good pitcher and the Sox offer of $40 million for 3 years, proves his worth, they just didn't want the 4th year.

Perhaps, but we're also the WORLD CHAMPIONS, and the Mets are no better than when they ended '04. Piazza is baggage, Floyd, et al are not gonig to make it happen. The young kids are just that, a lot of promise? and with one huge and horrible role model rolling into town.

If you think the Mets are as bad as when '04 ended, you're still in the clouds. Conversely, if you think the Sox are as good as when the season ended, then you're in disagreement with just about every baseball "expert." Oh and by the way, Schilling's ankle ain't Kosher yet, and he's not going to begin the season with the rest of the Sox. Maybe your #2 will pick up the slack, whoever he might be. As for the horrible role model rolling into town, you sound more like a jilted lover than a fan bad mouthing the person who left you.

So Trachsel has good numbers against weak teams' 4th and 5th starters, big deal. That division has been won by the same team for 15 years, and they've only gotten out of round 1 in the playoffs ONCE!!!!

So when Trachsel pitches against the #4 or 5 starter of another team, he also pitches against their 4th and 5th string batters? As for the Braves and your memory of what they've done, which is of course WRONG! Otherwise, how can the Braves make it to 5 World Series' since 1991, if they've only gotten out of the first round once? God smiles on the Sox once and their fans get deranged, that's the only explanation I have.

In the end, this is all moot; NO WAY, NO HOW, Pedro passes the physical.

That's the only way Pedro won't make you eat crow next year.

Your handle "NY" should stand for "Next Year".

What's funny, is a Sox fan telling ANYONE that their name should be next year. The Mets franchise since 1962, is a model franchise compared to what the Sox have done in that same timeframe, so spare me the "Next Year" references.

 

[bill p]

unreal

Venom? Surely you're not talking to a Mets fan. The only whining is coming from Beantown, not Gotham.



Keep kidding yourself. The Sox 3 year offer was more than the Mets' 3 year offer. That doesn't sound like a team that didn't want a player back. How the Mets dumped Leiter, that's the way a team acts when they don't want a player back.



A few things. The Yankees, no matter what Posada and Jeter said, did not want Pedro because of his history with the team, NOT his ability. No one came calling for Pedro, because of the price, NOT ability. Who's come calling for Carlos Beltran? Does that mean no one wants him or that 95% of the teams can't afford him?



Lowe's leaving because the Boston fans were merciless. Why, because the last two years, not his Boston career, the last 2 years, he's let the team down. Simple.



Oh I know Pedro's stats, I recited them for you and where he stood among his peers in 2004. Is this the Pedro of 1998-2000? Of course not. However, the 2004 Pedro was still beter than 95% of the pitchers in MLB, and that's not too shabby. He's gone from being the best pitcher in the game, to being a very good pitcher and the Sox offer of $40 million for 3 years, proves his worth, they just didn't want the 4th year.



If you think the Mets are as bad as when '04 ended, you're still in the clouds. Conversely, if you think the Sox are as good as when the season ended, then you're in disagreement with just about every baseball "expert." Oh and by the way, Schilling's ankle ain't Kosher yet, and he's not going to begin the season with the rest of the Sox. Maybe your #2 will pick up the slack, whoever he might be. As for the horrible role model rolling into town, you sound more like a jilted lover than a fan bad mouthing the person who left you.



So when Trachsel pitches against the #4 or 5 starter of another team, he also pitches against their 4th and 5th string batters? As for the Braves and your memory of what they've done, which is of course WRONG! Otherwise, how can the Braves make it to 5 World Series' since 1991, if they've only gotten out of the first round once? God smiles on the Sox once and their fans get deranged, that's the only explanation I have.



That's the only way Pedro won't make you eat crow next year.



What's funny, is a Sox fan telling ANYONE that their name should be next year. The Mets franchise since 1962, is a model franchise compared to what the Sox have done in that same timeframe, so spare me the "Next Year" references.

sounds like u r upset but not to smart. sox will beat the mets any day .pedro is not stupid , who would ever want to play for the nyy. drugies?

 

[Cleef]

What a soap opera!

Venom? Surely you're not talking to a Mets fan.

You win 9 quote volleys to my 4.

Trachsel? ??? DR Content ONLY!

Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawx!
2004 WORLD Champions!

10 more months at least.