President Abinader highlights improving conditions of Police

[Ecoman1949]

Disagree.No further testimony your honor,

There is some truth in what Windy is saying in his post. An 800% increase in illegal drug activity in the DR since 2013 didn’t happen without the police, lawyers, and judges paving the way for the traffickers, and the blind eye to corrupt police practises of the two previous administrations also made life for traffickers a lot easier.

The old police guard is what it is, corrupted, and will fight change because they are used to living on extra level of financing provided by drug traffickers. The real hope for change lies with the better educated new recruits, increased salaries, and closer scrutiny by ethical superiors. All backed by the President’s new initiative to deal with corruption at all levels. It may take a generational change within the police force but change for the better will come if Luis gets re-elected and has another four years to continue his anti- corruption work.

The bigger issue is how does the President deal with illegal drug activity when the money generated by it is fuelling an underground economy that many Dominicans rely on for income or need for addiction purposes?

 

[windeguy]

Disagree.No further testimony your honor,

You will only have to see the future news reports for additional corrupt police at all levels from worker bees, up to the Generals to see that you are incorrect.
Busts for drugs and money laundering will never end with current policies in place.

 

[windeguy]

There is some truth in what Windy is saying in his post. An 800% increase in illegal drug activity in the DR since 2013 didn’t happen without the police, lawyers, and judges paving the way for the traffickers, and the blind eye to corrupt police practises of the two previous administrations also made life for traffickers a lot easier.

The old police guard is what it is, corrupted, and will fight change because they are used to living on extra level of financing provided by drug traffickers. The real hope for change lies with the better educated new recruits, increased salaries, and closer scrutiny by ethical superiors. All backed by the President’s new initiative to deal with corruption at all levels. It may take a generational change within the police force but change for the better will come if Luis gets re-elected and has another four years to continue his anti- corruption work.

The bigger issue is how does the President deal with illegal drug activity when the money generated by it is fuelling an underground economy that many Dominicans rely on for income or need for addiction purposes?

If generational policy includes a complete change in how the problem is dealt with I agree the situation could be improved. If the same policy remains in place, generation upon generation, the results will be the same as they are for the past years as drug transhipment has grown and money laundering increased.

Why would a "new generation" be more resistant to corruption than the past and current generations? The rewards remain the same and so do the collateral damages. There is no increased level of pay nor supervision that will change the inherent motivations in place now.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

This is all speculation at best. Augmenting ground force numbers and increasing salaries mean little to nothing when the management is in the toilet. As I previously mentioned, throwing bodies at a growing problem is useless if there isn't a proper management structure in place. If the management is diseased, so will be the underlings. You can't put 9 men on the job and have a baby in 1 month (the mythical man proposition). This is a top-down job. The same goes for education.

 

[johne]

You will only have to see the future news reports for additional corrupt police at all levels from worker bees, up to the Generals to see that you are incorrect.
Busts for drugs and money laundering will never end with current policies in place.

It's always a pleasure to view your refreshing suggestions and ideas. Carry on your good work and have a blessed day.

 

[windeguy]

It's always a pleasure to view your refreshing suggestions and ideas. Carry on your good work and have a blessed day.

Thank you, LOL

I understand some people think the same thing can be done over and over , yet different results will be expected because these new people will somehow be different and incorruptible. Some point out the filling of jails to overflowing as if this is a good thing. As if there is some significant improvement.

Yet it has been proven countless times that is not true. I point out the reality of the failed approach. Things will not improve, these new people will be corrupted unless the core approach changes dramatically. Trends over decades prove this out.

 

[windeguy]

This is all speculation at best. Augmenting ground force numbers and increasing salaries mean little to nothing when the management is in the toilet. As I previously mentioned, throwing bodies at a growing problem is useless if there isn't a proper management structure in place. If the management is diseased, so will be the underlings. You can't put 9 men on the job and have a baby in 1 month (the mythical man proposition). This is a top-down job. The same goes for education.

It isn't just management. If you read the news, the management, regardless of how many times it is changed "for the better", still becomes corrupted by the vast sums of money available. What needs to change is the approach.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

It isn't just management. If you read the news, the management, regardless of how many times it is changed "for the better", still becomes corrupted by the vast sums of money available. What needs to change is the approach.

As always, I appreciate your input. When I use the term "management", in today's global climate, this would include processes, assets, persons and the inherent control mechanisms for each. "Management" is a unifying term which encompasses these areas. Management does not refer uniquely to the night shift manager at Micky D's as it did when you were a boy.

 

[windeguy]

As always, I appreciate your input. When I use the term "management", in today's global climate, this would include processes, assets, persons and the inherent control mechanisms for each. "Management" is a unifying term which encompasses these areas. Management does not refer uniquely to the night shift manager at Micky D's as it did when you were a boy.

And I was referring to the impossibility of any "management" ignoring the vast amounts of money they can make by ignoring what they are told to do by the government's existing laws and doing what the almost certainly will do instead to make to some easy money. Rinse and repeat.

Implying that some so-called new management mode has some new immunity from this continued downfall? That won't be happening.

 

[La Profe_1]

Back on topic, please.

The thread has wandered from the original premise into oft-discussed byways. We do not need another thread about favorite hobbyhorses.

 

[johne]

This is all speculation at best. Augmenting ground force numbers and increasing salaries mean little to nothing when the management is in the toilet. As I previously mentioned, throwing bodies at a growing problem is useless if there isn't a proper management structure in place. If the management is diseased, so will be the underlings. You can't put 9 men on the job and have a baby in 1 month (the mythical man proposition). This is a top-down job. The same goes for education.

Agree 100% on your approach to the subject and lets not forget the subject thread is "PRESIDENT ABINADER HIGHLIGHTS IMPROVEMENTS..." . The president is noting the changes he made or intends to make to a very sub-par police force force. Negative speculations serve absolutely no purpose nor can be used as a way to get into the mind of the president who is in control. How can be be judged morally corrupt? What has he been accused of? (@windeguy ).
Luis has not been around long amd I'm sure data would show he has accomplished a lot more than he leader that preceeded him.
For those without faith in the future..I have no advise to give you. For those that bitch and moan each day...well you know where the exit door is. For those that have no voting rights in matters such as the subject title of this thread..your posting of opinions, quite honestly, are meaningless.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

Agree 100% on your approach to the subject and lets not forget the subject thread is "PRESIDENT ABINADER HIGHLIGHTS IMPROVEMENTS..." . The president is noting the changes he made or intends to make to a very sub-par police force force. Negative speculations serve absolutely no purpose nor can be used as a way to get into the mind of the president who is in control. How can be be judged morally corrupt? What has he been accused of? (@windeguy ).
Luis has not been around long amd I'm sure data would show he has accomplished a lot more than he leader that preceeded him.
For those without faith in the future..I have no advise to give you. For those that bitch and moan each day...well you know where the exit door is. For those that have no voting rights in matters such as the subject title of this thread..your posting of opinions, quite honestly, are meaningless.

I would say overall, I find Luis to be a likable, fair man. That said, I really don't know him. I can only make decisions based on his measurable outcomes. He has certainly given this the old college try. A formidable task, given what he had to work with. I do feel much of it is good marketing, after all, votes are the name of the game. The issues facing this administration wrt the National Police are deep-rooted and in no way can be fixed in 4 years. I do not agree with augmentation of the police force and automatic salary increases at this point. I think a good bloodletting at the General level is much needed, as the US did in the Pharmaceutical industry back in the late 80s. From there, a through audit of policy and procedure, followed by a re-design. This is a multi phase project that will easily span a few years if done properly. Brining in Brazil police to teach karate is also useless.

 

[David61]

Thank you for your reply David.
Sorry you took my contrary opinion of the President as an insult. We are blessed i n the DR that it is a demorcratic country and we are able to criticize or give a vote of confidence to the leaders. I opted to praise the President in my own particular style of writing. Yes indeed, I see truckloads of non-documented people being transported somewhere (IDK where) and larger truckloads of motors daily. Believe it or not life is improving.

Enjoy the rest of your evening

Yes, I will agree many things have improved over the 25 years of me living as a resident in the Dominican Republic

 

[johne]

I would say overall, I find Luis to be a likable, fair man. That said, I really don't know him. I can only make decisions based on his measurable outcomes. He has certainly given this the old college try. A formidable task, given what he had to work with. I do feel much of it is good marketing, after all, votes are the name of the game. The issues facing this administration wrt the National Police are deep-rooted and in no way can be fixed in 4 years. I do not agree with augmentation of the police force and automatic salary increases at this point. I think a good bloodletting at the General level is much needed, as the US did in the Pharmaceutical industry back in the late 80s. From there, a through audit of policy and procedure, followed by a re-design. This is a multi phase project that will easily span a few years if done properly. Brining in Brazil police to teach karate is also useless.

Fair enough. Grading him here and now on "measurable outcomes" is more than fair. What is troubling to me on threads such as this are comments such as those posted in #29 stating there is no hope. Ever. Never. A man judged guilty here and now and for all days to come. Nope..not smart. Mi no gusto para nada.

 

[keepcoming]

It is only his 1st term as President. It is hard to expect for someone to come in and clean up years and years of corruption, etc, just like that. But he has definitely made progress.

 

[william webster]

absolutely

 

[windeguy]

Agree 100% on your approach to the subject and lets not forget the subject thread is "PRESIDENT ABINADER HIGHLIGHTS IMPROVEMENTS..." . The president is noting the changes he made or intends to make to a very sub-par police force force. Negative speculations serve absolutely no purpose nor can be used as a way to get into the mind of the president who is in control. How can be be judged morally corrupt? What has he been accused of? (@windeguy ).
Luis has not been around long amd I'm sure data would show he has accomplished a lot more than he leader that preceeded him.
For those without faith in the future..I have no advise to give you. For those that bitch and moan each day...well you know where the exit door is. For those that have no voting rights in matters such as the subject title of this thread..your posting of opinions, quite honestly, are meaningless.

I hope improvements can be made. I plan to vote to re-elect Luis. I point out truths that annoy some people. Those truths have zero to do with morality. And so it goes.

 

[johne]

I hope improvements can be made. I plan to vote to re-elect Luis. I point out truths that annoy some people. Those truths have zero to do with morality. And so it goes.

It "goes" that you plan on voting for someone that you have pre-judged about his morality. Either take notes or really try to remember what you write in a public forum. Reread your post. You claimed he will be no different than anyone else. If you don't know what morality is I can't help you. End of this foolishness.

 

[windeguy]

It "goes" that you plan on voting for someone that you have pre-judged about his morality. Either take notes or really try to remember what you write in a public forum. Reread your post. You claimed he will be no different than anyone else. If you don't know what morality is I can't help you. End of this foolishness.

I never said one word about Luis and his morality. I was talking about a plan to replace people that will just have to be replaced again no matter who is in charge of that.

You are reading words I never wrote.

What I would say is something else entirely.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

I hope improvements can be made. I plan to vote to re-elect Luis. I point out truths that annoy some people. Those truths have zero to do with morality. And so it goes.

You can annoy folks without any effort all