Problems with Vaccines.. past and present.

[william webster]

3 doses of Sinovac is better than mixing with Pfizer: Turkish minister

Study shows Chinese vaccine offers highest protection overall when taken consecutively

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coron … h-minister

A Turkish study of more than 30 million vaccinated citizens indicated that the highest level of protection was seen in people who received three doses of inactive vaccines, rather than in those who received two doses of inactive vaccines and one booster shot of an mRNA vaccine, the country's Health Minister Fahrettin Koca said on Wednesday........


Turkey is 80% vaccinated

 

[cavok]

Vaccinated people hospitalized with Covid.

Yup. Here we are folks. The Truth about the ineffectiveness of these experimental vaccines is slowly coming out.

Just recently is was Israel, now it's the UK.

In England, hundreds of vaccinated people hospitalised with Delta

Public health experts warn ‘vaccines do not eliminate all risk’ amid early signs jabs may not stop Delta transmission.

www.aljazeera.com

Come to find out you took an experimental vaccine with unknown long term side effects for absolutely nothing.

The Pfizzler vaccine is definitely not living up to expectations.

 

[cavok]

3 doses of Sinovac is better than mixing with Pfizer: Turkish minister

Study shows Chinese vaccine offers highest protection overall when taken consecutively

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coron … h-minister

A Turkish study of more than 30 million vaccinated citizens indicated that the highest level of protection was seen in people who received three doses of inactive vaccines, rather than in those who received two doses of inactive vaccines and one booster shot of an mRNA vaccine, the country's Health Minister Fahrettin Koca said on Wednesday........


Turkey is 80% vaccinated

I decided a while ago that, if I do get a booster, it will definitely be one of the inactivated virus vaccines.

 

[william webster]

My post is wrong - the 80%

80% is the Delta variant component - the vaccinated

Sorry

 

[DR Solar]

Two Sinovac and 1 Pfizer booster. Tested yesterday and about equals 2 Pfizer. Upper 90's% covered.

 

[AlterEgo]

Too bad Moderna not available in DR. It protects against Delta

Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine protects against Delta variant, study finds | CNN

Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine protects people for at least six months and likely longer -- even against new variants, researchers reported Thursday.

www.cnn.com

 

[DR Solar]

Too bad Moderna not available in DR. It protects against Delta

Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine protects against Delta variant, study finds | CNN

Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine protects people for at least six months and likely longer -- even against new variants, researchers reported Thursday.

www.cnn.com

We are still learning. It's a slow process that the world has as a #1 priority . IMHO, research and medical has been outstanding. We got the jabs that we could get and moved on with a booster knowing that we, all of us are not near the end.
We are still at the beginning.

 

[johne]

Too bad Moderna not available in DR. It protects against Delta

Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine protects against Delta variant, study finds | CNN

Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine protects people for at least six months and likely longer -- even against new variants, researchers reported Thursday.

www.cnn.com

You made my weekend. Fantastic. My favorite brand of vaccine.

 

[playacaribe2]

You made my weekend. Fantastic. My favorite brand of vaccine.

Moderna appears to currently be the clear leader in the vaccine space, followed by perhaps Pfizer. There are some other interesting candidates but they have not yet emerged enough to challenge Moderna's seeming dominance.

What is interesting is a story out in AsiaTimes.com. Seems the senior Chinese officials did not take Si No Vac;

Sinovac debate heats up as Delta variant surges

The effectiveness of China’s Sinovac vaccine, now widely used across China and donated to the developing world, remains an enigma. But preliminary indications that the shot is less effec…

asiatimes.com

From the article;

"Chinese media reported that all the deputies of the Chinese parliament as well as the top political advisory body, the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, received SinoPharm vaccines before this year’s plenary session in Beijing in March."

Another tacit admission that Si No Vac is really more placebo-like?


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[slowmo]

I wouldn't rush to make Moderna the leader of the pack because of 1 non peer reviewed study. Pfizer has the same technology and has been basically equal to Moderna in all the other studies, and now somehow its long term performance is drastically worse than Moderna. Doesn't make sense.

 

[playacaribe2]

I wouldn't rush to make Moderna the leader of the pack because of 1 non peer reviewed study. Pfizer has the same technology and has been basically equal to Moderna in all the other studies, and now somehow its long term performance is drastically worse than Moderna. Doesn't make sense.

I would not and have not rushed out to take any of them just yet...........especially placebo-like Si No Vac.

But the study I did see on Moderna was peer-reviewed and if forced to vaccinate..........at this point it would be Moderna. Are you referring to something you read in a non-peer reviewed study?


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[Ecoman1949]

I wouldn't rush to make Moderna the leader of the pack because of 1 non peer reviewed study. Pfizer has the same technology and has been basically equal to Moderna in all the other studies, and now somehow its long term performance is drastically worse than Moderna. Doesn't make sense.

Exactly. Both MRNA and dead virus vaccines have their pros and cons. Bottom line is one or the other still provides a degree of protection that lessens your chance of dying if you contract COVID and it’s variants. Some may perceive them as evil but they are necessary evils during pandemic times.

 

[slowmo]

I would not and have not rushed out to take any of them just yet...........especially placebo-like Si No Vac.

But the study I did see on Moderna was peer-reviewed and if forced to vaccinate..........at this point it would be Moderna. Are you referring to something you read in a non-peer reviewed study?


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

I am referring to common sense. In a world where we are told vastly different things from various experts, common sense and patience comes in handy.

 

[playacaribe2]

I am referring to common sense. In a world where we are told vastly different things from various experts, common sense and patience comes in handy.

I concur wholeheartedly.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[windeguy]

We are still learning. It's a slow process that the world has as a #1 priority . IMHO, research and medical has been outstanding. We got the jabs that we could get and moved on with a booster knowing that we, all of us are not near the end.
We are still at the beginning.

I would say we are in the middle of something with no end. CV19 is here, there and everywhere to stay.

 

[DR Solar]

I repeat.
Took the antibody blood test a couple of days ago.
2 Sinovac then a Pfizer booster. The results showed that the 2 Sinovac equaled 1 Pfizer at that testing time.
Appears that antibodies decline with time with all vaccines.

 

[william webster]

Has been reviewed and reported that 6mo later.... less protection... for all vaccines

Not ONE gets stronger over time

Just like us - they deteriorate !!!

 

[AlterEgo]

Has been reviewed and reported that 6mo later.... less protection... for all vaccines

Not ONE gets stronger over time

Just like us - they deteriorate !!!

We’ve passed the 6 month mark now ☹️
Last weekend friends of our son had a backyard birthday party for their 1 year old. Everyone now has Covid, including the baby. Nothing serious, but still, and of course, baby not vaccinated.

 

[XTraveller]

We’ve passed the 6 month mark now ☹️
Last weekend friends of our son had a backyard birthday party for their 1 year old. Everyone now has Covid, including the baby. Nothing serious, but still, and of course, baby not vaccinated.

Thanks AE for the real hands on report. Where was the party DR or USA?

 

[windeguy]

We’ve passed the 6 month mark now ☹️
Last weekend friends of our son had a backyard birthday party for their 1 year old. Everyone now has Covid, including the baby. Nothing serious, but still, and of course, baby not vaccinated.

And that kind of thing is exactly what is going to happen everywhere from now on. CV19 has gone from pandemic to endemic. All vaccines seem to be declining over time. It was a likely outcome for vaccines against a coronavirus since those vaccines do not kill the virus.