- Thread starter Nsd1983
- Start date
Progressive roulette sosua grandbay casino. Sosua
- Status
On what basis? Reading the OP's post, it sounds like he kept throwing money in the pot because he had dreams of a big payoff.
When you go into any casino you know the odds are not in your favor.
yes but it depends... most of the games your odds are in your disfavor 40:60, for an example's sake. Even if they were in your disfavor 49:51,a t a long haul, casino wins. But if the odds are in your disfavor 1:100000 then there's problem. Reputable casinos will make fine living even with 51:49 in their favor (e.g. those in Vegas, that turn around billions of dollars every year), but let's say that most casinos work in 60:40 to 70:30 range (I have no proven figure about this this was just my calculation). Working in 1:100000 range would be done only by the very greedy game operator and he would know his game would not take long to get busted (or thrown out). I really would like an expert statement/analysis on this Keno (Progressive Roulette) game. Maybe I should start Googling.
It never ceases to amaze me how people invest $$$ in something they know absolutely nothing about.
It's a tragic story.
But did the OP actually think he was going to win $800,000?
You won't be the first to kiss your money goodbye.
So sad...
It's a tragic story.
But did the OP actually think he was going to win $800,000?
You won't be the first to kiss your money goodbye.
So sad...
I saw this going on in Puerto Plata at the casino in Playa Dorada. There was a young Canadian couple there getting sucked into the scam. When they took a break to consider getting more money I told them they can't win. Later, my friend the poker manager told me that it was dangerous for me to do that, all kinds of bad things could happen to me if those who profit saw me as interfering with there scam.
I talked with the American guy who runs the Ocean World Casino. He told me that he had been approached many times by people to run that scam in his casino, but he refused. That was in January, 2012.
I talked with the American guy who runs the Ocean World Casino. He told me that he had been approached many times by people to run that scam in his casino, but he refused. That was in January, 2012.
Kudos to Ocean World Casino. Too bad some of the other DR casinos don't have the same principles.
Again, if the scam can be proven, the OP has standing to sue. Even if the company (game operator) is owned by Dominicans, we know many Dominicans like to travel to US and (the rich ones) buy properties in Miami, etc. If he can find a U.S. connection to the owner of the casino/game operator, and prove the game was fraudulent, he can sue and probably recoup some money. But it will be a long run to the finish line.
As far as proving the game is fraudulent, the courts do not work with what one "feels" or "thinks" or what TripAdvisor writes. Somebody who is close to the gaming industry (and better yet somebody who was involved with that game as a dealer, for example) must testify to establish proof. Because even "progressive roulette" in one place may not be necessarily the same as in another place. But getting the facts of the very game in question in the very casino in question would be done during the discovery process and during depositions.
But in order to bring the suit in the U.S. (in this thread I always mention the U.S. because the OP doesn't stand a legal chance in the DR), the OP would need to 1) Establish that U.S. court has jurisdiction by establishing u.S. connection of the defendant; 2) show SOMETHING in his complaint as of the initial belief in regards to the "question of fact" indicating that the game was rigged or fraudulent. Otherwise his suit would be dismissed. He then needs some expert testimony to persuade the judge to make the case go to trial, otherwise the defendant would ask for summary judgment in his favor. there must be sufficient material to reasonably believe that fraud has occurred. If the judge decides the case goes to trial, then the discovery process begins where evidence from-site can be gathered to show if that particular game was rigged in such a way as to make absolutely (100%) impossible to win. However, we are now talking about thousands of dollars in attorney's costs for the Op, and tens of thousands of dollars in costs for discovery and for legal costs of defendant (the casino and/or the game operator). If this case is like the majority of cases brought to U.S. courts (both state and federal) there is an overwhelming chance the case will get settled before going to trial (and the Op could recoup the money lost).
But I am not a lawyer and this is not a legal advise. OP should seek opinion of an attorney who has experience with long arm statutes both on state and federal level.
As far as proving the game is fraudulent, the courts do not work with what one "feels" or "thinks" or what TripAdvisor writes. Somebody who is close to the gaming industry (and better yet somebody who was involved with that game as a dealer, for example) must testify to establish proof. Because even "progressive roulette" in one place may not be necessarily the same as in another place. But getting the facts of the very game in question in the very casino in question would be done during the discovery process and during depositions.
But in order to bring the suit in the U.S. (in this thread I always mention the U.S. because the OP doesn't stand a legal chance in the DR), the OP would need to 1) Establish that U.S. court has jurisdiction by establishing u.S. connection of the defendant; 2) show SOMETHING in his complaint as of the initial belief in regards to the "question of fact" indicating that the game was rigged or fraudulent. Otherwise his suit would be dismissed. He then needs some expert testimony to persuade the judge to make the case go to trial, otherwise the defendant would ask for summary judgment in his favor. there must be sufficient material to reasonably believe that fraud has occurred. If the judge decides the case goes to trial, then the discovery process begins where evidence from-site can be gathered to show if that particular game was rigged in such a way as to make absolutely (100%) impossible to win. However, we are now talking about thousands of dollars in attorney's costs for the Op, and tens of thousands of dollars in costs for discovery and for legal costs of defendant (the casino and/or the game operator). If this case is like the majority of cases brought to U.S. courts (both state and federal) there is an overwhelming chance the case will get settled before going to trial (and the Op could recoup the money lost).
But I am not a lawyer and this is not a legal advise. OP should seek opinion of an attorney who has experience with long arm statutes both on state and federal level.
"I don't normally gamble . . . I'm a smart man . . . I'm a psychologist . . . I earned my money".
The first is obvious.
The third necessarily disqualifies the second.
The fourth is disproven by this fact: anyone who actually EARNED his money doesn't shovel it to chopos.
So a smart psychologist who earned his money signed away $43,000 on a debit card while playing roulette in a slimeball Caribbean casino. Yeah. You bet. This is the biggest load of BS I've heard yet. If it actually happened his rich mommy's gonna be mad.
The first is obvious.
The third necessarily disqualifies the second.
The fourth is disproven by this fact: anyone who actually EARNED his money doesn't shovel it to chopos.
So a smart psychologist who earned his money signed away $43,000 on a debit card while playing roulette in a slimeball Caribbean casino. Yeah. You bet. This is the biggest load of BS I've heard yet. If it actually happened his rich mommy's gonna be mad.
The Amazing Randi used to say that scientists and other people with degrees are actually far easier to mislead than anyone else. One reasons scams work so well is that they are trying to convince someone that playing along will have a big payoff. Trying to convince someone that smoking is bad for you or even that you have cancer is a much harder sell.
I had a friend who was taken in by a Carnival game a long time ago. He was only taken for $127, but that was because there was limit to how much you could lose at the game and he only had so much money.
It was simple and technically legit. There were two dominoes set up on the cue spot on a pool table made into a "T". If you could knock them over ten times in a row breaking with the cue ball, you'd win $128. The first play was free(always a bad sign). To play again, you had to pay a dollar, but hey you can win $128! So you lose again. Then it costs $2, then $4, $8, $16, $32, and $64.. If you don't win at $64, you can't play anymore. But you get so worked up, you can never quite knock over the dominoes ten times in a row and most of the time you can knock them down 8 or 9 times before you clutch. The guy who ran the game said that only a couple people per day won, but most people quit when they ran out of cash.
It was simple and technically legit. There were two dominoes set up on the cue spot on a pool table made into a "T". If you could knock them over ten times in a row breaking with the cue ball, you'd win $128. The first play was free(always a bad sign). To play again, you had to pay a dollar, but hey you can win $128! So you lose again. Then it costs $2, then $4, $8, $16, $32, and $64.. If you don't win at $64, you can't play anymore. But you get so worked up, you can never quite knock over the dominoes ten times in a row and most of the time you can knock them down 8 or 9 times before you clutch. The guy who ran the game said that only a couple people per day won, but most people quit when they ran out of cash.
The difference between this game and the one mentioned in the thread is that you CAN win in this one. The one we are talking about you have ZERO chance. It is rigged to NEVER pay.
lto start a post from "i do not gamble much"... please, there is no such thing. you either gamble or you don't.
what more can i say... the same as pauleast, a fool and his money are easily parted. i cannot even feel sorry here. i hope the OP never gets his money back. maybe that will serve as a lesson.
what more can i say... the same as pauleast, a fool and his money are easily parted. i cannot even feel sorry here. i hope the OP never gets his money back. maybe that will serve as a lesson.
An idiot posts a confession of his idiocy, and folks are supposed to offer sympathy?
I have sympathy for him Cobraboy, no one deserves to have this happen. They know who to target, and a true gambler probably wouldn't get succored into this.
tonto, i see that you live up to your name, again. playing a game of cards with family is not the same as going to the casino and betting own money, all 43k of it. this is sickness. not even stupidity. it's a disease. this guy needs professional help. not from a lawyer but from a psychologist.
do i come as a meanie? i sure hope so. i do not suffer fools gladly. i only have a handful of f**ks to give and i am not losing them on the likes of gamblers. on dr1 we offer support to those who are in trouble. always. this community stays strong and close, just look at the thread about africaida's son being in a hospital or MA being off the board for a while. but no one here will bend over those who are GUILTY of getting themselves in a mess they are in.
yes, a guy loses 43k. if i were his wife i would supply divorce papers 5 minutes after he tells me of his foolishness before he bets the home and every single of our possessions. it is classless to be sorry for an addict because it only pushes them deeper into their disease.
- Status