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heavennsangel

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Hi all,
Does anyone know if that hotel in Puerto Chiquto is being renovated to be re-opened and if it's true a golf course is in the works for that area?Thanks.
 

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Hi all,
Does anyone know if that hotel in Puerto Chiquto is being renovated to be re-opened and if it's true a golf course is in the works for that area?Thanks.


I think that if you perform a search (using the Forum's search tool), you will find a lot of threads to this very subject, which in turn may indicate to you, that Puerto Chiquito has a history of "rumors" about projects being "imminently" put forward, including the "sale" and "re-sale" of the "Sand Castle" hotel, it's renovations and/or conversion to all sorts of great business plans, the revival of the beach, a splendid marina or a park with or without a church... etc... the list is endless... nevertheless, besides the removal of a poor "neighborhood" at the East end of the beach... Puerto Chiquito has not changed much.
In other words, you may want to question "promises" and future looking "insider informations", especially if they come from sellers or people representing them.


... J-D.
 

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J-D it did come from a seller :) and i have been reading all the previous post here on DR1.I just wanted to know if anything had changed since the last post.Thats alot for the info.
 

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J-D it did come from a seller :) and i have been reading all the previous post here on DR1.I just wanted to know if anything had changed since the last post.Thats alot for the info.
It would be interesting to know where that 'seller' got his/her information from. Perhaps you could enquire further & let us investigate the sources once you know them??! :ermm: ~ Grahame.
 

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Due diligence... it goes further than just asking real estate "agents".

Before being inclined to believe just any stories, which have been flying around quite freely for ever, I would suggest visiting the Sand Castle hotel. Yes, while it is guarded (just so Haitians don't start to settle like they've done in a condo-hotel in the same "development), if you greet the guards nicely, you can visit the place. It is my opinion, that most will come away from such a visit, recognizing that the place will need far more than just a "renovation" or a new "operator". The place has had NO maintenance since it shut down and was left abandoned and is showing signs of structural deterioration due to it's face on exposure to the sea and weather. I would also question it's chances in today's market as it seems to be of a very dated concept and layout. By the way, the Sand Castle is not the only abandoned project within that development.
Secondly, ASK who is the developer IN CHARGE in Puerto Chiquito (or many other half way abandoned "developments" along our coasts). Because, developed it is not much much anymore and you may think things well be handled like in you home country... something you may need to forget about.
Check out the HOA... as of a year ago, Puerto Chiquito had THREE (3) organizations which claimed to be "a" or "the" HOA.... the largest one had at that time a whooping five (yes, 5!) members! In other words... the HOA is neither something you will be able to count on. Again, this is not atypical for many other large developments here. I think the only one that is alife and well is Tropicana... parallel to the main street
READ, the Forum. If people on the street tell you about the marina (as they have for as far I know 10 years or so)... and the beautiful beach and how now it will NOW all come so nicely together, now that the "barrio" (El Tablon) at it's East end has been cleared... read some posts, especially ROCKY's, about the river coming thru there, bringing all the sewage and garbage from communities and villages far behind to that beach, barrio or no barrio.
Ask about crime too... just go to the police station and ask if there have been problems.

Finally, after you collected YOUR information, you may want to ask your "salesman" what the plan is about all that, just for the fun of it. But by then, you will have figured that if your "agent" really is working hard... it's NOT for you but for his seller and his commission!

I am NOT saying that Puerto Chiquito is all bad. But, it has certainly never manged to comply with years and years of promises touted by "sales agent" and even some local "authorities".

... J-D.
 
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I dont think anyone mentioned that he was told by real estate agents ..where did that come from- he said he was told by the seller
 

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J D now that the "barrio" (El Tablon) at it's East end has been cleared...... J-D.[/QUOTE said:
Please do not mention el Tablon! Or I will have to post the pics of its "beach" (that is only 500 meters from Sosua central beach), and after this nobody will ever even touch the water.
 

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Actually it was an agent who works for himself,he has a few houses that was built by his company in puerto Chiquito,and has an office in Puerto Plata.The property that is supposed to be in the process of being fixed and sold as apartments is the first one i believe to the right just as you enter the Gate that says Puerto Chiquito.Maybe you guys are familiar with it i believe it's white about three stories high.However i did read Rocky's post and i believe that we have already decided not to invest any money there. :) DR1 members have never lead me down the wrong path.Thanks so much for the feed back.
 

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Actually it was an agent who works for himself,he has a few houses that was built by his company in puerto Chiquito,and has an office in Puerto Plata.The property that is supposed to be in the process of being fixed and sold as apartments is the first one i believe to the right just as you enter the Gate that says Puerto Chiquito.Maybe you guys are familiar with it i believe it's white about three stories high.However i did read Rocky's post and i believe that we have already decided not to invest any money there. :) DR1 members have never lead me down the wrong path.Thanks so much for the feed back.
The apartments/Condos on the right as you go in to Puerto Chequito are pleasant enough & (I seem to recall from a friend of mine who is selling an apartment there) competitively priced.

I believe I know of the 'Builder/developer/lawyer/investment manager/all things to all men that you refer to. There are one or two ex-residents at Puerto Chiquito who have told me that they were given similar information several years ago. :tired: :surprised

Rent a while Sir, ....... take the strain from the brain & get to know your way around (plus who is reliable as an agent/seller/lawyer etc) before taking the plunge into PROPERTY Problems!:ermm:! This way you also get a feel for what is likely to be developing in an area - or in this case NOT developing!!! Chances are the property prices will be quite a bit cheaper in 12/18 months time DESPITE what the DR Government is saying about the 'World Financial Problems' not really effecting DR property prices! ~ Grahame.
 
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We have decided not to invest in this area,seems like a bad idea.We are not planning on living in DR any time soon,it's more like a vacation property.It's funny that you said there is a chance that the prices will decrease within the next 12/18 months.There are a great number of properties on the market so we'll just wait untill the prices are reduced to buy.
 

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keep waiting they wont be reduced anytime soon-no hurry to sell - the price goes up with inflation
 

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Thats what we plan on doing...waiting, when some sellers realize that the prices that they are asking is not a realistic one..... thats when we'll buy .
 

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keep waiting they wont be reduced anytime soon-no hurry to sell - the price goes up with inflation


It would be a viable seller`s strategy if only life would be indefinite. In reality it is definite. And for some people there could be a dilemma - to sell at a realistic price and to be able to spend in his life a huge amount of money or to hold stubbornly to some dishonest RE agent`s price idea and to die in poverty lacking funds for good medical treatment leaving the house to heirs who will siphon it in four days in casino with putas and tigueres next week after his death.

For myself I`d pick the first option.

Stingy Knight is my favorite of Pushkin`s four "small tragedies". Very appropriate.
 

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keep waiting they wont be reduced anytime soon-no hurry to sell - the price goes up with inflation


It may have been true (many times), that Real Estate values has proved to be a good hedge against inflation, but only as long it's (RE) raise in value was not one of the main reason for that very inflation (which is the case in more than one of the countries buyers to our market has come from in the last years). But inflation is not really the issue on hand HERE at the moment... besides the fact that, as far real estate is concerned, this is a Dollar based economy... at least around the touristy regions.

Prices here, will (have to) come down, and I hate to predict, it looks like big time. Owners are already calling their agents to drop prices. Not much yet, but it will come.

How would the DR be the only country to keep on making money in this world wide crisis, which has not just started yet, it has been going on for 3 or more years?
Just look at Spain for some historical data. SAME scenario just not as though; the buyer's countries' economies went up side down (mainly Germany and England)... the buyers stopped coming the ones who already owned developed a sudden urge to leave (Sell!) too.
Price drops over the last 3 to 4 years? up to 80%.
This region, just as Spain did, depends on people from abroad being able to dump money here. That is pretty much over now. The old rule of offer versus demand can play two ways.

  • Oh yes! Spain had a lot of overpriced properties (naw... we wouldn't have that here, now would we?).
  • But then, it must have been the over existence of new spec properties being increased senselessly! I'll hand you that, true too! (erm... just look around here!).
  • Spain, well Spain... bad quality-price ratio... when compared to the buyers home countries! HA! You don't say! That could not ever happen to dawn on some people looking around here, especially now that money will be tight... I mean, hey, aren't we talking about Puerto Chiquito? Name me one development in other DEVELOPED world locations (where buyers used to come from) with these issues.
  • Ever checked the current and still decreasing values in places like Southern Florida? Let me give you an example: We built single family homes in West Palm Beach and Broward County. Last one we sold (new, in a nice neighborhood, electricity, real streets with sidewalks, parks, green zones, phone, water every day all day long... nights too and so forth)... was in early 2001 just before the bubbling began... USD 150K! 3 years later the same home SOLD for 375K! Now, I know my homes and I'm mighty proud of them, but there was NO way this house could be worth that much money unless salaries had doubled or trippled! Well guess what, the US is suffering from inflation... it's currency weak, elevated cost of life... everything. These homes are now being offered for 180K and the still DON'T sell.
  • Don't you think that if people who mortgaged equity out of their bubbled up real estate a couple of years ago, to fulfill their little "buy a second home in the Caribbean" dream, and now struggle to hold on to their HOME back home, will a) want to sell their dream turned night mare in the Caribbean and/or b) not be able to buy here? Who has been buying most Real Estate around here in the past years? The so affluent Dominican middle class or... Americans, Canadians, Brits... and so forth? Erm... are you watching the news... I mean not just these past 30 days... but the past 3 years... about what's cooking in these countries?
And there's more... I could go on and on.
How do you think this will NOT affect this country's real estate market... especially around here (the coasts)?

Will Obama or McCain resolve that issue for us. Well, I hate to say that certainly in the short term (6 to 18 months), NOPE. Will they in the long term? I think that one big lesson that will emerge out of this whole mess, especially in the States and some EU countries too, is that the idea of making money so easy to spend... especially money people don't really have, just to make the economy boom on excess spending was a BAD idea, because it just so turns out to be the very root of the whole mess we are facing.
I don't think either candidates will let that happen again... and besides... it's a world crisis and neither of them will be world president just yet.

So again:
keep waiting they wont be reduced anytime soon-no hurry to sell - the price goes up with inflation

Pardon me Sir, but that dawg sure ain't huntin'. ;)

... J-D.
 

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I agree with JD. I think there will be some great bargains here in 18 months time (maybe even sooner) as property pricing returns to a more realistic level. It also, coincidentally, fits in with the cyclical nature of the property market here. We saw the first one a few years after first arriving & now, 12 years on, it looks like it's about to happen again.