QUESTION REGARDING SCHOOLING IN THE DR

bob saunders

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Bob would the learning pods or bubbles be able to be used as an extra. I know before the pandemic some of the private schools in pedro brand were doing this to compensate for the schools. Every afternoon for a couple of hours. Not perfect but a help
If they were doing that, as we were, they were doing it without government permission. So were we, blind eye from the local officials. We were allowed to do assessments but were not supposed to be teaching.
 

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If they were doing that, as we were, they were doing it without government permission. So were we, blind eye from the local officials. We were allowed to do assessments but were not supposed to be teaching.
They were handling as tutoring i believe. In that case any teaching was classed as reinforcement :rolleyes:
 

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I highly doubt that the people you speak of are reliant upon paqueticos for their internet service. Do they have 24 hour power? A nanny or family member to supervise? If they have stable connections and support, then they are likely in a position to make the decision to keep their kids home and hash it out online until January. Not ideal, but better than exposure if they’re concerned about Covid risks. If your employees don’t have access to Wifi and power to support their children’s education, are you in a position to help them out somehow?
We all know the majority of Dominicans do not have those things in place. The entire country doesn’t even have the infrastructure to support it.
Obviously what works at Carol Morgan or Cap Cana doesn’t work for everyone. Locally determined situations need to be further considered here, or poor kids will not have the right to basic education.
The decision to give everyone a device is a total waste of money if that device is a paperweight.

I agree 100% with your assertions, as they are all rooted in fact, but they are directed towards/against the idea of the online remote learning concept, and not the concern of the worried parents who do not want to send their children to group like assemblies at this point in time.

How on one hand, can you deliver a message to the populace that the general assembly of persons is dangerous, and can perhaps be fatal to some........but yet you expect parents to send their precious gifts of children to congregate together in the name of education?

What do you say to those parents? If your home nation was experiencing the growth in numbers that is reported on a daily basis here within this country, would you send your child into such a setting?

I fully understand both arguments to be had.
 

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I agree 100% with your assertions, as they are all rooted in fact, but they are directed towards/against the idea of the online remote learning concept, and not the concern of the worried parents who do not want to send their children to group like assemblies at this point in time.

No, I have reiterated several times on each thread pertaining to Online education in the DR that this option falls short on considerations for families that aren’t wealthy. I have stated several times over that locally determined options need to be in place for A.) Wifi and not paqueticos and B.) stable electricity. I’m not anti- virtual education, I’m just being realistic.

How on one hand, can you deliver a message to the populace that the general assembly of persons is dangerous, and can perhaps be fatal to some........but yet you expect parents to send their precious gifts of children to congregate together in the name of education?

Whether or not you are referring to me directly, or not, I would like to point out that at not time, on any thread, have I stated that face to face education is the best option. I have only emphasized that the poorer the child, the more they will be disadvantaged in virtual education because the country lacks the infrastructure to make online classes possible for THEM.

What do you say to those parents? If your home nation was experiencing the growth in numbers that is reported on a daily basis here within this country, would you send your child into such a setting?

I have stated, restated, and have provided many reasons as to why this is an enormously complicated situation. Any parents with genuine concerns regarding Covid that have access to reliable electricity, devices, and Wifi should not expose their children to large groups in schools or anywhere else. Form learning pods, pay tutors, enrol in supplemental learning, pay for learning programs & apps.
None of that addresses the concerns of poor Dominican children who stand to lose the most according to the current plan. I have contacted groups that I have volunteered for or sponsored let them know that I would like to continue to provide support, especially now.


I fully understand both arguments to be had.
That’s great.
 

Caonabo

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Auryn, I am sure President Abinader will follow your advice.
Have a great day.👍
 

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thats a tough one.
I have a 9 years old in 5th grade and a 17 years old at the Liceo.
I was sure that I will not send my 9 years old to school(a small private school) physically for the start of the new school year.
to not leave her behind as good as possible, I have 2-3 days a week a teacher from a nearby private school here at our home for 1-1 reinforcement/keep up the level.
we do that already since early June.
let's face the facts,
our kids are since almost 6 months on a unplanned very long summer break.
what her private school did during the first phase of the lock down, was sending once or twice per week a whatsapp message, in which the "teacher" stated which pages in which school book she has to work on this week.
well, considering how good readers and writers and teachers most parents here are, I would guess that failed for the vast mayority of the kids at that school.
hence I searched for and found the teacher lady which we have here for reinforcement the last months.
virtual classes, like Live Streaming of the class by the teacher to her/his students, will def not work,
as there will always/every day some who will not have the power on or pre-pago wifi loaded for the whole morning classes.
such online teaching could only work if full class sessions are sent online for download, so it can be worked with at any time of the day, also after interruptions of power or internet conenction. and such downloadable classes of course have the disadvatage that a student cold not ask anything to the teacher. you understand what is shown or you are out.
to give EVERY student of all ages a laptop or tablet, a nice idea, but i do not see any way how they could handle such huge task within the next couple weeks to start the new school year. huge logistics, huge expenses.
usual here in DR for that mayority of students in public schools is, that the parents are working and Tia, Granny etc are in charge of several young guns at a time during the days. even IF Granny is full literate AND understands herself all the stuff talked about in those online classes(which I doubt for a vast mayority), she will still not be capable to oversee the online studies of several different aged kids under her responsability at the same time, but those children will have their online classes all at the same time together with different teachers for their different grades.
we will hear soon what idea the education ministry has about solving such significant troubles.
I personally can sit down with my 9 years old daughter supervise her while on her online class of what ever kind,
but i know that the mayority of neighbours will not be capable of doing so, and most of them have more than just one young student to attend then.
I have myself no idea how to solve such troubles, but those points are significant to make such online teaching possible/impossible.
In general, YES, let's teach virtual for the coming school year, as said above, I would not send my little one to school this year, doesn't matter what forces would try to force me to do so.
 
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Auryn, I am sure President Abinader will follow your advice.
Have a great day.👍
It’s not my advice and I’m definitely not the only one who has pointed out those specific problems. Your sarcasm and avoidance of my questions are obvious.
 

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It’s not my advice and I’m definitely not the only one who has pointed out those specific problems. Your sarcasm and avoidance of my questions are obvious.

I'm on to them Ms. Auryn, with no sarcasm intended. You just have to wait your turn in line, as I have several other community members to respond to first.
Don't fret, I will answer all your questions in the order you presented them.
 

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I'm on to them Ms. Auryn, with no sarcasm intended. You just have to wait your turn in line, as I have several other community members to respond to first.
Don't fret, I will answer all your questions in the order you presented them.
I will wait my place in line for your response, along many other DR1 members ahead of me. We all anticipate your reply ever so anxiously. No sarcasm intended either, none at all 😉.
 
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It’s not my advice and I’m definitely not the only one who has pointed out those specific problems. Your sarcasm and avoidance of my questions are obvious.

Ms. Auryn, apologies for the delays in responding to your questions. I will attempt to answer those questions you posed towards me today within two of your postings, and I hope I don't miss any.

Posting #35.....

1. You are incorrect in highly doubting that I know of families that are reliant solely upon paqueticos for their internet service.
I know of both families that are, and those that are not. Aside from this, both types of families held reservations of sending their children back to school on 24 August.

2. Most of the families I know of do indeed currently live within 24/7 electric zones, most not all. Keep in mind that advertised 24/7 electrical sectors/zones also suffer sporadic outages to a degree.

3. Most of the families I associate with, are those of my employees. Within those family units, nannies are mostly unheard of.
Here in the RD, there is a true emphasis on families, not strangers within the household. Other cultures are different, and this is understood.

4. My employees are well compensated for the work they do for me. What they do with, or how they prioritize their earnings is none of my business. If they choose to invest in internet packages for their own home, that is on them. For the record, roughly four months ago Claro Internet began offering home internet packages for as low as 700 pesos monthly, directly in regards to the Covid/online educating situation. Any person who resides here has probably seen the advertisements. I do not know more regarding this, but it is not a gigantic expense to install home internet or wifi. If you currently have a cable tv connection, you can have home internet or wifi for a lot less than the cost of paqueticos.

5. Please explain to me your definition of "the majority of Dominicans", and what you believe that phrase to mean. I do not lump an entire society together, so it is is difficult for me to understand your point of view.

6. The RD lacking in infrastructure. Agreed, but this problem will not be corrected by the beginning of the school year.

7. What works for Carol Morgan or Cap Cana doesn’t work for everyone. Agreed. This was your analogy, not mine.

8. Giving the e-devices to those that can not benefit from them, yes, is a waste. But what of those that can?

Now, on to Posting #44.....

When you were asked directly, "If your home nation was experiencing the growth in numbers that is reported on a daily basis here within this country, would you send your child into such a setting?......

You responded: "Any parents with genuine concerns regarding Covid that have access to reliable electricity, devices, and Wifi should not expose their children to large groups in schools or anywhere else."

So, is it of your belief that parents that do not have access to the items you mentioned above, SHOULD expose their children to large groups in schools or anywhere else?

Your service as an educator to the young is appreciated. It is not an easy following, or course of life. You are to be commended for all you do, not just as an educator, but as a person who likes to donate time and energy to those less fortunate as well.
 

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on such one just use the "Ignore" buttom this great forum offers.
it really helps, keeps content nice clean ...

Ms. Auryn asked for responses to her questions posed towards me. I attempted to in a timely fashion.