Santo Domingo:World Class City

["The Tourist Watcher"]

Re: Pitiful ignorance from my foreign friends

Weather is a major factor in liveability. The only reason more Canadians do not live in Santo Domingo is because they cannot afford it. Most Canadian tourists visiting DR are blue collar workers on all-inclusive plans, a type of tourism reserved for low income people. They would love nothing more than to stay here, but Santo Domingo and our beach fronts are out of their league.

Over priced real estate. What ignorance! There is no such thing as overpriced real estate. If a market exists and there are people willing to pay for it, there is no overpricing. What we have here are lots of foreigners who are too poor to compete in this market and complaining about it. Wealthy and well employed Dominicans are not complaining about it and are buying like crazy. Who do you think is buying the thousands of hi-rise apartment units being built right now with prices over $2,000,000 pesos? Do you think we are building here just for the fun of it?

Are foreigners envious because Dominicans are making it in New York and other foreign countries and bringing their cash here and buying expensive units. Well, sorry guys, if you want to share our wealth, you have to pay for it too. You want to have a beachfront in Punta Cana, ask Julio Iglesias or Oscar de La Renta, he might help you if you got a cool million dollars.

 

["The Tourist Watcher"]

Re:Henry, why do you love DR so much?

Henry: You are either the loneliest man on earth and so bored that you have to be writing things about Dominican Republic, instead of staying in Toronto with your friends there and talking about Canada?

Or, you are so frustrated there because you cannot afford Santo Domingo and enjoy our beaches year-round, that you have to conduct a hate campaign against DR.

I dont understand you. You love this country, dont you? You are dying for DR? You just cant stand it being there so bored in Toronto.

Why do you stay in this Dominican related forum? What is it about Dominican Republic that keeps you writing so much junk? You hate yourself for no being Dominican, perhaps? If you and your friends who write bad things about DR do not like this country why stay in this channel? Go home and stay in your ice box, we dont need you.

 

[Doug]

Re: Fred and Toronto,World class ice box

Tourist Watcher ....YOU ARE SO MISINFORMED YOU DON'T EVEN DESERVE AN ANSWER ABOUT TORONTO, AND WHAT WE DO IN THE WINTER UP HERE, WE GET MORE TOURIST IN OUR WINTER MONTHS THAN THE D.R. GETS ALL YEAR! EACH HOCKEY GAME WE GET APPROX 10,000 FROM OUT OF TOWN(THATS TWICE A WEEK)THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME HAS SCHOOL KIDS LINED UP FROM 8.30 TO 5.00 IN THE AFTERNOON, ALL FROM OUT OF TOWN, THE CN TOWER HAS A STEADY LINE UP FROM OPENING TO CLOSEING TO GO TO THE TOP(THATS FROM 7 AM TO 3 AM)OUR TRADE SHOW HALLS ARE FULL EVERY WEEKEND WITH TEN OF THOUSANDS OF PPL FROM OUT OF TOWN ON BUSINESS,WE HAVE 5 TIMES AS MANY HOTEL ROOMS THAT ARE FULL EVERY WEEKEND!!SO EVERY WEEKEND I WOULD SAY WE GET PROBABLY AROUND 3 TO 5 HUNDRED THOUSAND PPL HERE TO VISIT. OUR HI-WAY IS 34 LANES WIDE AT SOME POINTS! YOU CAN GET FROM THE EAST END TO THE WEST END WITH NEAR PERFECT TRANSIT ON TIME ALWAYS(EVEN IN THE WINTER)YOU COULD PUT ALL OF THE D.R.s AIRPORTS INTO OUR PEARSON INTERNATIONAL, OUR AIRPORT IS 50 TIMES AS BIG AS YOUR BIGGEST AND THEY ARE ENLARGING IT AS WE SPEAK, WE HAVE MORE VEHICLES IN OUR CITY THAN THE D.R. HAS IN ITS COUNTRIE. PLUS WE HAVE ROUTINE!!!!WITH EVERYTHING,TRANSIT,PHONES,ELECTRICITY,EVERYTHING! ALSO IN THE WINTER WE SEE THE SUN EVERYDAY, SOMETIMES NOT AS BRIGHT AS OTHERS,(THE SAME AS THE D.R.)BUT WE SEE IT. WHY DON'T YOU ASK HOW MANY DOMINICANS WOULD LIKE TO VISIT HERE! ANY... I MEAN ANY(DON'T MATTER HOW POOR)CANADIAN CAN GO WHEREVER HE/SHE LIKES, THAT MEANS TO THE D.R. OR ANY COUNTRIE IN THE WORLD, IT DON'T DEPEND ON HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE....THEY CAN GO,IF THEY SO PLEASE, AT ANY TIME.....DO YOU UNDERSTNAD THAT? AT ANY TIME THEY WANT. IF WE GET SICK AND DON'T HAVE MONEY...WE DON'T JUST LET OUR BONES HEAL BROKEN LIKE THE D.R. GOVT. DOES....WE HAVE HEALTH CARE, EVEN IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT! IF SOMEONE'S HOUSE BURNS DOWN THEY GET A NEW ONE! DON'T TELL ME ABOUT CLASS.....YOU OBVIOUSLY WOULD'NT KNOW IT IF IT CAME UP AND BIT YOU ON YOUR ASS! AND WE HAVE LOTS OF BEACHES, MILES OF THEM, SOME ARE A LOT BETTER THAN SOME IN THE D.R. AS FOR GOING TO THE D.R. WE GO BECAUSE WE CAN, WE ALSO GO TO ALASKA BECAUSE WE CAN, WE CAN AND DO GO ANYWHERE WE WANT........KNOW WHY????? BECAUSE WE ARE A CLASS COUNTRIE.......AND ALTHOUGH THE PPL, THE CAMPO, THE BEACHES,THE TOWNS ARE NICE IN THE D.R. YOUR GOVT. IS CLASSLESS, THEREFORE IT MAKES YOUR COUNTRIE THAT!!!!YOU DON'T HAVE CLASS WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN GO WHERE YOU WANT FREELY! DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY YOUR GOVT. AND OURS WON'T LET EVERYONE TRAVEL FREELY???? BECAUSE IF THEY DID....THE WHOLE COUNTRIE WOULD BE HERE NEXT WEEK FOR GOOD!!!

 

["The Tourist Watcher"]

Reoug you kiss Dominican ass everyday

Doug, I am not the one who is writing in a Canuck forum. I could care less what happens in Toronto or your Canadian Ice Box. I have never even looked up anything about Canada in my life because it is such a boring country.I would not look up a Canada tourism forum if I were drunk on cheap wine. Give a free plane ticket to Toronto, and I would rather go to Cutupu.

But you..you..you are a Dominican ass kisser. You stay in this forum everyday dying to see what is happening in our little airport, and our bad streets and lousy highways. Why? Because you cannot live one day in your life without Dominican Republic.
You cant stand that dreary cold over there and the only way you can dream about being in our beaches is reading and writing in this forum. You get depressed. You feel nostalgic about Santo Domingo. Perhaps you are in love with one of our Dominican beauties and she wont pay attention to you unless you come up with some big time money. ha ha! Stay in Canada, we dont need you and your cheap blue collar dollars. Dominicans in New York earn more money than you make in Canada. You wouldnt be able to land a job here.

As for your Canada. Absolutely boring. You and your hockey crap. Even your baseball teams would be dead without Dominicans. Vladimir Guerrero is the best athlete that ever stepped in Canadian soil and makes more money than any Canadian athlete. Pedro Martinez the best pitcher in baseball can buy your 34 lane highway with the money he makes. Pedro left that sinking titanic called the bankrupt Montreal Expos, because Canadians are so cheap they cannot afford to support a world class baseball team. The Blue Jays cant wait to get out of Toronto. You cant even afford a stadium.

Your beaches? You call beaches water at 50 degrees, with pieces of ice hitting your face. Yes, beaches for polar bears.

 

[Onions and carrots]

More moronic statements from TW

With a population of over 3 million you're bound to have a few people who own all those toys. The truth is that just owning those things is not a sign of true wealth.Amongst the richest Americans are people who still have, not a 10 year old Jeep, but a busted and broken down 57 truck.The potato magnate with billions of dollars who would put to shame any of your Ferrari driven, Versace wearin, gold in your face fools.
True wealth is the amount of liquid funds sitting in a bank account or tangible assets owned outright( not financed). I personally know baggage handlers in Miami who owns Mercedes 500s, Prosches, etc cause the lease runs about 1000 per month and a B+ credit rating.These guys earn over 100k a year pushing luggage.Financing or leasing doesn't mean your wealthy. It only means your able to make the monthly payments.Who is the richest person in the DR and how liquid is he? Your only defense of SD being world class revolves around these luxury items.
I'll bet you that most of those people who own those things are financed to the hilt and couldn't buy them outright.
The apparent wealth in the States is due to the flow of credit and financing plans.I personally know of about a dozen or so Dominicans who own those 2 million and up condos being built in the Capital and every single one of them is financed. Of course you'll disagree and say that everyone you know has paid cash and has millions sitting in the bank.Yet the facts are different.
How many Dominican companies appear on the Forbes list? Be it home-grown or abroad.NOT ONE How many Dominican billionaires are there? NOT ONE. How many Dominicans have over 100 million dollars in liquid funds? NOT ONE.How many Dominicans have won the NObel Prize? NOT ONE How many of the greatest scientific and mathematical discoveries has ever come out of the DR? NOT ONE.
What great advancements has the DR given to the world besides cheap liquor and cheap women? NOT ONE.I could bore you with this endless stream of questions yet the answer is clear.
Just because the DR has a couple of more luxury cars than another 3rd world dump like Rio doesn't mean diddly.You say your educated but it sounds like you were educated by Chef Boy-ar-Dee.
Material things is not relevant when judging a city to be world class or not.Neither is the amount of Ferraris or millionaire ball players struttin down JFK.There is not one person on this forum who doesn't think your a materialistic moron.
If you were to ask 1000 people the same thing you would be hard pressed to find 10 people who agree with you.Why don't you talk about the unbelievable divide between the rich and the poor? In the US we complain about the economic divide yet things are being done to bridge the gap ever since the Great Depression.The chasm in SD is so wide that the Grand Canyon pales in comparison.
Your a true lunatic to even insinuate that the major cities of the USA can even come close to SD's problems.SD has every problem from A to Z and everything in between.
SD is going to suffer what all emerging countries have suffered and have not recovered. In economic laymen's terms it's called a blow-off top.It's what happened in Southeast Asia with the Thai baht and will happen in SD.It's when there is a speculative rise in property values coupled with excessive and unchecked construction.It's when you have impressive GDP figures that are off the charts without any retracements as a rocket going to the moon.All of this non-stop growth and fiat-financed economics will lead to an eventual speculative bust as the Tulipmania in Holland during the 15 century.
The unbelievable amount of debt that the gov't and the so called wealthy have accumulated will create serious problems.
At one time I worked for Pinfund Wholesalersin Miami before they defaulted and I was a consultant for the firm.They were one of the largest wholesaler in the mortgage industry in the US at that timeOne of their divisions serviced only the elite and foreign nationals.It was funny to me that, to the average Joe, the elite APPEARED to have this aura of invincibility where financial matters where concerned. The truth is these people, though being on a different level, had the same financial woes as the guy on the bottom of the totem pole.In percentage terms the same number of foreclosures, late payments,insufficient down payments, etc was present.The vast majority of the elite didn't have sufficient funds to make 3 consecutive payments if their business had a dry spell.They lived off the business.If their monthly expenses where 20,30 or 40k a month(dollars) their business had to produce that or they didn't cut it at the end of the month.If this is present in the USA it is magnified in the DR where people have a habit of flaunting excesses.

 

[Lyse]

Re: Fred and Toronto,World class ice box

Boca Chica lobsters???????? Canadian lobsters are First World class lobsters

 

[Onions and carrots]

Doug speaks the truth

The majority of Dominicans in NY are broke and the rest are illegal.What he said is the truth.If you asked most Dominicans between living in the DR or living permanently in Toronto or any developed land without ever returning back home , they wouldn't think twice about it. The DR would be left with you, all those obnoxious friends of yours driving Ferraris, Porsches and all that junk down JFK.
The average Canadian or American earns more in a month than the average Dominican does the whole year round.The only people dying to get into the DR are the Haitians.What do you expect?Haiti doesn't even have trees.But no civilized person from the US and Canada would renounce their citizenship and take up DR papers no matter how much money they have.Yet DR citizens would do it in a heatbeat just to arrive to the promised land.They have used every trick in the book to achieve this.Marrying foreigners,false pasports,death certificates, you name it they've done it.Ask those DR ballplayers if they want to change their teanm uniform and play for Los Aguilas or the national ball team of the DR.They'd spit in your face.
Everybody and their mother is learning English in the DR in the hope of getting out of that sinking ship or at least get a better job.Why is this?
You talk about all the foreigners living there? Of course because its an island paradise for them.Just tell em your gonna take away their native country's citizenship and exchange it for DR residency.That ISLAND PARADISE quickly becomes ALCATRAZ-ISLAND PRISON.
Every Tom ,Dick and Harry is trying like crazy to get out.Check the stats about how many people die trying to cross to Puerto Rico.Do you want me to go on?

 

[FRED]

Re: Doug speaks the truth

Plus the fact that foreigners go there with some money, have a good work ethic are better organized.

Every Dominican that I have spoken to who lives abroad says that they only want to work to abroad to get some money to open a business. However, none of them ever go back.

 

[FRED]

Re: Doug speaks the truth

Not every Tom Dick or Harry, but every, Raul, Esteban and Luisa.

 

[DR1]

Before this gets too deep....

Lets try end this hear, before long this will end up as a grudge match. I think everyone gets the point and you have all had your say. I don't want to delete the thread!
It's been informative and funny in parts.
That handle "Onions and Carrots" always makes me smile

Please take it to email or the chat room.

Rob.

 

[Duck]

Before I read too much into this thread I have a question - where do you get your statistics?

Essen (not Ruhrgebiet total) has less than 1.000.000 inhabitants, and Frankfort is in Kentucky. If you meant Frankfurt, they also have about 600.000 inhabitants, not more than Sto. Domingo. Berlin dwarfs Sto. Domingo with about 5 mil inhabitants (they reunified 11 years ago!). Just for starters ....

 

[katia]

For Tourist Watcher

You just mentioned in your post that you have never looked up anything on Canada so how can you say it's boring ????!!!!!!!

 

[FRED]

Reoug you kiss Dominican ass everyday

Canadian wages are right in line with New York. However, since we have an excellent social system, someone who makes $ 6.00 per hour still can have acess to good medical attention.

Unlike people in New York who are turned away if they cannot pay.

As far as Dominican women go, how come the majority will not give Dominican men the time of day, even if they have money?

Wouldnt be able to land a job here? There are no jobs. If there were the well educated and skilled Canadian workforce would take them all, marrying Dominican women and laugh at people like you.

You also forget about Wayne Gretzky, and we have the Skydome, probably one of the best stadiums in the world.

The best part is that Canadians can come to the DR with enough money to really be able to enjoy the country, while people like yourself sit on the sidelines and only dream about enjoying some of the benefits that SD has to offer.

Watching Canadians eating in good restaurants, while you pass by on the street wishing you could do the same must be really depressing?

It may be cold in Canada, this is true but we live very peacefully, and in harmony with people from all cultures, help one another(Unlike the jealous Dominicans who only screw each other and their families, I personally know of many Dominicans who are abroad and never send their families on red cent!) But then the expect when they return, that their families greet them with open arms)

 

[trina]

TW, if you hate Canada so much,

WHY did you pretend to know so much about it in your earlier post???

 

[jim]

Re: For Tourist Watcher

BORING, HE NEEDS TO TRY WHITEHORSE,YUKON TERR., SUMMER OR WINTER IT'S PARTY ON AND BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY TOO. JIM

 

[trina]

TW, you are an idiot

Look at the REAL facts, you think Canada is such a bad country to live in?

I don't think so...

 

[Doug]

Rob

Rob this is not getting too deep in my opinion, we are just trying(with no sucess) to educate TW he is the one person who picked on our countrie. As you know most of us have nothing to say but good about the D.R. the only things we belittle are the same things that the natives belittle...ie: govt. health care ect, ect, but when TW attacks our countrie we have the right and we will stand up for it, because it is such a great countrie. Please do not delete this thread as I am going to go make some money right now and don't want any surprises when I come back. I will take your warning when you said it's getting too deep. I did say TW would'nt know class if it bit him on the ass, maybe that was out of line(mind you ...only cause I said it here ....not because it isn't true)So lets see if we can keep this going ,I believe it is a good argument!

 

["The Tourist Watcher"]

Re: The Mao mouth speaks again!

There you go again, the peasant from Mao who now prefers to live in Canada and the US.Well go ahead, make my day. You and all that hopeless minority who wants to go to the "promise land" can all leave right now.

Most Dominicans who live relatively well here would never leave this country for Canada or the US. It is not only Canadians who want to come and live here, we got thousands of foreigners, well over 300,000 foreigners living permanently looking for the "promise land-Santo Domingo". And many more will continue to come. It is an unstoppable destiny for foreigners to come and kiss the soil of this country. There are thousands of Europeans and Americans illegally here, hiding because they want to stay here, and Immigration is looking for them to straighten out their situation.

The few Dominicans who risk their lives in the seas are mostly people who have been fooled into thinking that they can get rich quick. It is almost as people who play the lottery everyday. It is a vice. This is a very small minority of Dominicans.

You will also eat your words, when within 5 to 10 years the Dominican Republic will have its own major league team and will begin to dominate Major League Baseball worldwide. I dont understand how the Mao big mouth defends his creepy little town so much, only to badmouth his own Aguilas Cibae?as. Remember teh Aguilas Cibae?as are your hometown team, not mine. Already, opening games in the MLB are being played here, that is just a trial. And what is going to happen? We probably will end up with the Montreal Expos or Toronto Blue Jays franchise. They are the ones who dont want to play in Canada. They are dying to get out!

Now, Onions, I thought, from all your speech about how happy you were in Mao, I didnt think you too wanted to get out. How sad I am that you do not like Mao as much as you said you liked it. Well,too bad, go to the US consulate and get in line.

And Dominicans abroad are doing so bad, that all they are doing is just sending a cool 2 billion dollars a years to their families here, buying every house and apartment available for their future return,making it very expensive for people like you to buy a cheap home, and making American Airlines nervous every time another airline wants to take away their precious, noisy,tacky Dominicans who are packed with dollars in the summertime and christmas.

Remember, Dominicans from the United States bring more money here than Canadians who buy a cheap All-inclusive packages and stay in their hotels, because they cannot afford to dine or play outside of their tour-operated nursery. Do you know what the room cost per day is for Canadians to stay in a hotel here is? US$30 a day!!! Dominicans blow that much just on a meal. All our restaurants, discos, music concerts, movie houses, ice cream parlors are full of Dominicans everyday spending their money. And Dominicans are now doing so much tourism in DR that pretty soon you might see more Dominicans in Bavaro than Canadians.

 

["The Tourist Watcher"]

Re:Fred and Dominican women

Fred, we know how much you and and Canadian men wet their mouths everyday looking at our beautiful morenitas and trying to marry them and support them with your blue collar salaries from Canada.

But thats fine with me. While you suckers are taking them out and giving them money, it is their Dominican boyfriends who are getting the best of it. I got my own version of the Canadian-Dominican triangle and I enjoy it very much, because I am getting the best part. I am single and have a problem you dont have. It is how to schedule my time with the ladies.

Dominican men have no trouble at all with you Canadians. You are the ones coming here spending your money here because your Canadian women are boring, overweight and cant dance on the floor and in....

Do you want to see Dominicans in restaurants, you miserable freak? Why dont you go to Boca Chicas Neptuno or Boca Marina Restaurant, where the cheapest fare is $600 for a full course meal and ask the MaitreD or the owners who are the majority of their clients and what kind of cars they drive. You miserable all-inclusive cheapos couldnt touch the Dominicans who eat there.

Come to my neighborhood to Trio Cafe, La Francesa,Spaghetissimo, Scherezade,Fellini,Italos,Lumis Park,The Steak House cafe, places where Canadians all-inclusives cannot afford, and check out the crowd if you dare! They are 99% Dominicans!

Go to El Pelicano in Boca Chica. Who is there? Dominicans. You people either have never come to the Dominican Republic, or live in such misery in the bundocks somewhere in the island, that you dont know whats going on in this country.

 

["The Tourist Watcher"]

Re:Because I lived in Chicago!

You have to remember, I lived in Chicago and Chicagoans have Toronto as a their second city. They look down at Toronto as a second rate city trying to imitate Chicago.

But unfortunately, Toronto has a long way to go to catch Chicago. Everybody in Chicago talks about how Toronto is always trying to build tall buildings that could match Chicagos Sears Towers and the John Hancock buildings, or have a Malecon called Lake Shore Drive with skycrapers for miles on one of the most beautiful lakefronts in the world. Yes Toronto is envious and Chicagoans know it. It is the talk of the town. So I could not avoid hearing all the jokes about Toronto and Canadians there.

And by the way, I could almost see your Canadian border from my 47th. floor hi rise luxury apartment at Mcclurg Court on Ontario Street with all glass around with views to Lake Michigan and to the North towards Canada. And there were only 1200 Dominicans in Chicago at that time in 1993 and all were professionals earning over $100,000 a year. By the way I left Chicago and a top salary to live here with lesser income because I got tired of cold weather and having the government take away 50% of my income. I live better here, plus I have more time to spare for my social life.