THE D.R. IS COMING BACK BIGGER THAN EVER.

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johne

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I'm surprised at the low level of confidence members here have in the survival of the DR post covid19. Some of the members suggest that the fall will be so great that the DR will only survive in a socialist government."Tourism is dead". "There is no hope for a return to the 'glory days' ". "Millions of Dominicans rely on remittances and the downturn in the U.S. economy will result in the death of these people".
All doom and gloom forecasted on feelings. Feeling fueled by fear of the unknown, frustration with the virus, desperation, and playing follow the leader and not thinking out the near distant future.

I disagree. Let me give you a somewhat different viewpoint of why opinions of doom and gloom are flawed.

Disclosure: I do not own any property in the DR. I rent an apartment. I do not have any interest in a major business in the DR. I am a real estate speculator in several cities in the U.S. With that being said:
(1) Why would anyone think that the tourism business in the DR is dead and buried and never to return ?
The DR has the same attractions now, in the short term future after covid, and the long term future.
We all know what those attributes are. Short distance from ice and snow to sunny beaches with 85 degree temps. Cheap airfare.Nice people. Etc. etc.
The DR hotel industry has billions of dollars invested and continues to invest with many projects in the works. What do you think they do know? Walk away? No. They will continue to invest, promote with gusto and to continue to survive better than before. And the government will support it since their "stake" in the deal is gigantic. BTW, don't pay attention tone of our resident Communist members that continues to promote an agenda of a return to life to a low life pedophile. That's not what is going to happen. Even the corrupt pols of the DR need a steady cash flow to exist. Strange? You bet. but that's the way it works. AND, the drug trade needs to keep building. Very necessary to the food chain. And if the government needs money they know who to call

2. The airlines: Some posters suggest that the airlines will just stop coming. "Not enough people so they won't stop here". Hmm 12 million last year, none this year. If you are in the airline biz you need to fly. You need to secure a hub. You need to satisfy the stock holders. Employ people. Pay the union contracts. You need to FLY. Last week I flew on a big brand new jet 3 seats X 3 seats. Long as a city block. There were 14 people on the flight! Why? That's there business in good times. That city had 11-12 million visitors last year.

3. Not ALL people are broke: High unemployment is not good. Is it going to stay that way? Of course not. But even at 15 % un employ that means 85% are working. And in a few months the will be 5% or less unemployment. Do you think the gub is continuing handing out the dole?? Forget that. Trump only hands that out till he gets re-elected.
People have been locked up for a very long time. They want out? They are going away this summer with the kids. They are going away from the ice and cold this winter. Think not? Think again. Give this subject forward thinking.
I will be on one of the first planes back to the DR. (Along with Badpiece that asks everyday "When are we leaving" LOL)
Enough for now. These are my thoughts only but from the mind a life long speculator. Think positive.

Happy Easter to all. Pray hard. Make it happen.
 

CristoRey

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1. DR tourism is currently
dead. Who said it will never
return?

2. The airlines have a put a temporary freeze.
Will eventually thaw out. Anyone who thinks
otherwise probably lives in prog land.

3. Who said all people are broke?
I will say all people aint rich.
 

johne

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1. DR tourism is currently
dead. Who said it will never
return?

2. The airlines have a put a temporary freeze.
Will eventually thaw out. Anyone who thinks
otherwise probably lives in prog land.

3. Who said all people are broke?
I will say all people aint rich.

CR. It has been said or implied many times here on DR 1 that tourism will not return.
I said NOT all people are broke. and will return.

Remember I said these are my opinions (as to how I understand the feelings of some of the member). Its not to be anything other than support for the DR.
 

Africaida

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I think positive and I will probably will be in those first flights to DR. Unfortunately, I doubt it will be this summer (I am sure DR tourism industry needs it, but I am not sure it is such a good idea if DR start receiving hordes of visitors from more infected countries).

Most people on this forum don't have the doom and gloom views you are depicting, they stand somehow in the middle and think that things may take a while to return to normal at home and in DR.

This is unprecedented,so it is hard to know to be honest. I hope you are right, but you may be blinded by your desire to see your chula :cheeky:

Happy Easter to you too !
 

johne

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I think positive and I will probably will be in those first flights to DR. Unfortunately, I doubt it will be this summer (I am sure DR tourism industry needs it, but I am not sure it is such a good idea if DR start receiving hordes of visitors from more infected countries).

Most people on this forum don't have the doom and gloom views you are depicting, they stand somehow in the middle and think that things may take a while to return to normal at home and in DR.

This is unprecedented,so it is hard to know to be honest. I hope you are right, but you may be blinded by your desire to see your chula :cheeky:

Happy Easter to you too !
Many thanks for your best wishes. No, I am not blinded by a whatever. It is an opinion (mine only perhaps ) of the future of the DR beginning with this summer ie July -august and next winter which isn't too far away.
 

Africaida

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Many thanks for your best wishes. No, I am not blinded by a whatever. It is an opinion (mine only perhaps ) of the future of the DR beginning with this summer ie July -august and next winter which isn't too far away.

Fair enough.

Nobody knows and I hope you are right.
 

Tamborista

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Many thanks for your best wishes. No, I am not blinded by a whatever. It is an opinion (mine only perhaps ) of the future of the DR beginning with this summer ie July -august and next winter which isn't too far away.

I admire your optimism and "glass 1/2 full", nobody is hopping on a plane in July to go to DR, things need to START to reopen before anybody will even consider a vacation. Maybe December / January?

Happy Easter!
 

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johne, tourism requires increased per capita dos[posable income. In an economic crisis disposable income is the first to vanish.

With no end in sight, whether lock-down or economic recovery, and with the continued evaporation of disposable income, I don't see how tourism in the DR or elsewhere will have a strong rebound in the foreseeable future.

And this does not just imply tourism to the DR. ALL leisure activities, especially those requiring some form of investment, will see darker days before any light.
 

USA DOC

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..Not saying that tourism and other businesses will not come back strong..It will take time, and that amount of time depends on a world economy that has been badly hurt....
 

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I admire your optimism and "glass 1/2 full", nobody is hopping on a plane in July to go to DR, things need to START to reopen before anybody will even consider a vacation. Maybe December / January?

Happy Easter!

Tourists? I agree. People like us who own a home there, or rent year round, or have friends or family they stay with, I can see them flying as soon as they feel it’s safe.
 

malko

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The real question is not about whether tourists will flock back--- or not----to the DR after all this is finished, but more about how the DR will cope until that is even possible again.
 

NALs

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I'm surprised at the low level of confidence members here have in the survival of the DR post covid19.
I think that's normal among many DR1ers. The DR is suppose to fail even when times are good, think about that. You need to knock down a bit the doom and gloom of some people here.
 

johne

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johne, tourism requires increased per capita dos[posable income. In an economic crisis disposable income is the first to vanish.

With no end in sight, whether lock-down or economic recovery, and with the continued evaporation of disposable income, I don't see how tourism in the DR or elsewhere will have a strong rebound in the foreseeable future.

And this does not just imply tourism to the DR. ALL leisure activities, especially those requiring some form of investment, will see darker days before any light.

The "foreseeable" future. ?? My oh my that's an eternity.LOL. Tell that to a syndicate that needs to wash hundreds of millions per day.Tell that story to a builder of condo in high risers or big hotels , he must stay ahead of the curve building one year or two years ahead. Nobody makes a fortune (and that's what these guys want) by not staying ahead of the train that is pulling out of the station. Ever hear of "oh, that train already left the station". That is usually said when all of the big money has been taken out of the deal...now the new guy says, "Look what I discovered". lol. Two late brother.
 

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johne...does that mean to say that we should expect to see you dipping your toes in the D.R. REAL ESTATE MARKET ?
 

johne

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johne...does that mean to say that we should expect to see you dipping your toes in the D.R. REAL ESTATE MARKET ?

No. I am very conservative. I have developed a system, a formula, for my investments. I have 20 years into the DR. I just don't get it. Weekly we see ppl coming on board asking this question about investing. What do they see I can't see?? I do this for a living. I have asked this question ( to my self) for years I just can't see it. I take the DR for what it is worth. I recently moved to the DR and for the FIRST time in my life I rented an apartment! I can't believe it BUT it really is a statement of my style.
 

USA DOC

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No. I am very conservative. I have developed a system, a formula, for my investments. I have 20 years into the DR. I just don't get it. Weekly we see ppl coming on board asking this question about investing. What do they see I can't see?? I do this for a living. I have asked this question ( to my self) for years I just can't see it. I take the DR for what it is worth. I recently moved to the DR and for the FIRST time in my life I rented an apartment! I can't believe it BUT it really is a statement of my style.

...Renting here makes a lot of sense...
 

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johne, tourism requires increased per capita dos[posable income. In an economic crisis disposable income is the first to vanish.

With no end in sight, whether lock-down or economic recovery, and with the continued evaporation of disposable income, I don't see how tourism in the DR or elsewhere will have a strong rebound in the foreseeable future.

And this does not just imply tourism to the DR. ALL leisure activities, especially those requiring some form of investment, will see darker days before any light.

I dont know, lots of folks are working more and doing better than ever. Lots of free money floating around ... I am swamped with work. I want a vacation the moment this is all over, most people feel the same way.

Think of how many normal investors are making tons of money right now. They will have money to burn when things open up. I stand by the fact that I am not worried.
 

cobraboy

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I dont know, lots of folks are working more and doing better than ever. Lots of free money floating around ... I am swamped with work. I want a vacation the moment this is all over, most people feel the same way.

Think of how many normal investors are making tons of money right now. They will have money to burn when things open up. I stand by the fact that I am not worried.
6,000,000 new unemployment claims last month, and a bunch more in the pipeline going forward do not make me optimistic.
 

austriaco

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I dont know, lots of folks are working more and doing better than ever. Lots of free money floating around ... I am swamped with work. I want a vacation the moment this is all over, most people feel the same way.

Think of how many normal investors are making tons of money right now. They will have money to burn when things open up. I stand by the fact that I am not worried.

As someone pointed out: if everyone received a bail-out no one received a bail-out.

Think about it. so more money arround results you can buy less with the same amount. Just basic logic.


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austriaco

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CR. It has been said or implied many times here on DR 1 that tourism will not return.
I said NOT all people are broke. and will return.

Remember I said these are my opinions (as to how I understand the feelings of some of the member). Its not to be anything other than support for the DR.

Did not read anyone saying the tourismo will not return.

Its the "when" - previos experience after crises show it takes years to get to the level like before.

As of the airlines of course they want to fly but the circumstances are not allowing it.

Lot of pepole want to get rich, seems there are some real world things preventing wishes.


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