The DR and the Recession of 2008

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Three fallacies in your argument:

1) Remittances are not loans. They are gifts.

2) It's a stretch to use Income statements and Balance Sheets to track remittances. Money comes in, debit cash. What do you credit? Prepaid Living Expenses?

I don't contest the theory of the long-term impact of the dilution of the money supply drug cash or remittances cause. But doesn't accrued debt of gubmint do the same thing? Of course it does. And I would argue worse because of the interest accrued...a liability...continually offsetting the asset created (unless future favors leveraged through a bought-off judge, politician or bureaucrat is worth more than the accrued interest payable GL account.;))

We aren't talking currency creation through debt instruments created by the CB or banks. However, drug $$$ and remittances deposited at financial institutions can be used for additional monetary creation in proportion to that institution's mandated Reserve Requirement.

3) I would suspect that the vast majority of remittances are NOT used to make capital purchases (goods with a life more than 3 years.) They are used to meet living expenses or increase the standard of living. Drug money is an entirely different animal. Much DOES go into the asset base (drug cash comes in: debit cash, credit capital asset (cars, real estate, business creation, etc.)

Interesting conversation with a knowledgeable Dominican very recently. You know what is becoming a favorite money laundering technique? Creation of and loans/direct investment in smaller financieras. They are plentiful and most are off the "formal economy" radar screen. There is a TON of dirty money just looking for these financieras.

Oklahoma, Alabama, Arkansas... all the same.

But seriously, I agree with some of what you said. Gifts vs Loan is subjective from an audit standpoint. Interestingly enough though, the vocabulary and style you use above is seemingly an improvement. I think you and Pichardo are in on this together.

And, no, I am not a "Doctor".
 

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Oklahoma, Alabama, Arkansas... all the same.
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And FTR-as I told PICHARDO, quit putting words in my mouth. I have NEVER spoke of the virtues of drug money. I have stated...and will CONTINUE to state this fact: ANY external cash infusion WILL benefit an economy whether clean cash or dirty cash. From a classic economic perspective, I don't differentiate the source. I hold cash infusion from Mother Teresa or some Do-Gooder organization in the same analytic esteem as Quirino. Once the money changes hands it all spends the same and promotes economic activity that would not have occured had it not arrived in the country.
 
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And FTR-as I told PICHARDO, quit putting words in my mouth. I have NEVER spoke of the virtues of drug money. I have stated...and will CONTINUE to state this fact: ANY external cash infusion WILL benefit an economy whether clean cash or dirty cash. From a classic economic perspective, I don't differentiate the source. I hold cash infusion from Mother Teresa or some Do-Gooder organization in the same analytic esteem as Quirino. Once the money changes hands it all spends the same and promotes economic activity that would not have occured had it not arrived in the country.

I was referring to your "confederate roots" Cobra :)

I simply do not agree that it is ever healthy. I guess I will take it to the grave with me...
 

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I was referring to your "confederate roots" Cobra :)

I simply do not agree that it is ever healthy. I guess I will take it to the grave with me...
I am an inner city boy. You may have personal bias against Atlanta, but it tells more about your prejudices and speaks poorly of the quality of your overall edumacation to have retained those beliefs.

Once again, I make no moral judgement on the source of the cash. It has a positive impact when introduced into an economy. My comments are economic only.

Cash has no conscience.
 

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Dr. Mangu, btw.

Dirty cash NEVER helps. NEVER. It displaces "good" cash in the banks and pockets, which devalues the peso or whichever currency. POINT in case.

The bull$hit of remittances: You have a nation of folk making capital purchases with loans (b/c that's what a remittance is for the most part). With what assets are we balancing that liability?

Educate me Peas and Carrots - as PedroChem says: "I'm here to learn"

Your above statement seems to be moralistic. Money has no morals. remittances are gifts and are normally spent on foods and bills. Tell me, if I send, as a gift, enough money for said person to buy a piece of land. Sais person now has an asset and no liability. They now has a tangable asset. They don't owe me because it's a gift. If said land is sold and I'm repaid for my GIFT, and this takes place in cash with no auditable trail...hmmmm.
 
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I am an inner city boy. You may have personal bias against Atlanta, but it tells more about your prejudices and speaks poorly of the quality of your overall edumacation to have retained those beliefs.

Once again, I make no moral judgement on the source of the cash. It has a positive impact when introduced into an economy. My comments are economic only.

Cash has no conscience.

Bro, hold on. There goes my moral fiber because we take a pot shot at the Confederacy? Tomate la pastilla. The whole world has been witness to the classic North/South duel (and inherent jokes) since Christ left Chicago.

I know you are not making a "moral" judgment about the cash. But the damage that dirty cash does to an economy is far worse than its benefits. Case-and-Point.

Don't mess with Texas.

(p.s. I was a Clemson Tiger for 3 years until I couldn't take the pervasive lack of desire to drive over 25mph)
 

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Your above statement seems to be moralistic. Money has no morals. remittances are gifts and are normally spent on foods and bills. Tell me, if I send, as a gift, enough money for said person to buy a piece of land. Sais person now has an asset and no liability. They now has a tangable asset. They don't owe me because it's a gift. If said land is sold and I'm repaid for my GIFT, and this takes place in cash with no auditable trail...hmmmm.
You could build a whole hotel that way...;)
 
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I know right. Kid Mangu is a character alright. I remember my sociology professor saying that all definitions are nominal. Thus Dr. Magoo defines remittances in his own way which I respect BUT if we can't agree on some basic definitions all lines of communication are interrupted.
 
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I know right. Kid Mangu is a character alright. I remember my sociology professor saying that all definitions are nominal. Thus Dr. Magoo defines remittances in his own way which I respect BUT if we can't agree on some basic definitions all lines of communication are interrupted.

Peas and Carrots. Yum Yum. What is your point here? Feel free to state it below. Childish pot shots are fine if it's all in good fun. I'll be happy to meet up to discuss Remittances and 1001 recipes for Peas and Carrots.
 
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It's always a good idea to define terms from the get-go, otherwise people will end up debating the differences between apples and oranges, or peas and carrots, as the case may be.

Threatening to cook peas and carrots in his own juices might be a tad extreme, if it didn't sound so darn tempting.

Let's all keep in mind that today is Funny Friday, and as such, a little decorum is in order (very little).

Apples, oranges, peas, and carrots are people too, as is Kid Mango, I think. Can't we all just get along.
 
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It's always a good idea to define terms from the get-go, otherwise people will end up debating the differences between apples and oranges, or peas and carrots, as the case may be.

Threatening to cook peas and carrots in his own juices might be a tad extreme, if it didn't sound so darn tempting.

Let's all keep in mind that today is Funny Friday, and as such, a little decorum is in order (very little).

Apples, oranges, peas, and carrots are people too, as is Kid Mango, I think. Can't we all just get along.

Right again, Salinger!
 
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Peas and Carrots. Yum Yum. What is your point here? Feel free to state it below. Childish pot shots are fine if it's all in good fun. I'll be happy to meet up to discuss Remittances and 1001 recipes for Peas and Carrots.
LOL!, Please guys don't eat me. I am a vegetable who also has a right to live. I may not be as fully developed as sentient primates like yourselves but I also have feelings, LOL.

It's always a good idea to define terms from the get-go, otherwise people will end up debating the differences between apples and oranges, or peas and carrots, as the case may be.

Threatening to cook peas and carrots in his own juices might be a tad extreme, if it didn't sound so darn tempting.

Apples, oranges, peas, and carrots are people too, as is Kid Mango, I think. Can't we all just get along.
LOL!, well I am not a person technically but a vegetable but thank you for defending my right to exist.
 
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Don't you mind me! I'm only still waiting for the DR economy to flop as foretold by the "experts" here...

Pichardo, what math are you using to extrapolate your curve pal? My "opinion" is that you are a tad over-promoting/selling. I don't think it's as bad as some others purport, but it SIMPLY is not a rosy as you have painted on your canvas (high above the city, if you know what I mean).

Quite simply, thank god for the cornerstone families here for keeping a modicum of old cash in the banks. Aside from that, we are filling up accounts, pockets and buying assets with a disproportionate amount of laundered funds, like drug money.

Sure, Pichardo, I'll give you many of your points, BUT all of this will have a really tough time within the next 5 years combating the effects of the devalued RD Peso and unstable exchanges.

At some point, for the DR economy to gain momentum and stability (not necessarily related), we will need to begin the process of flushing out bad money with good honest incomes that help families meet cost of living here.
 
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Pichardo, what math are you using to extrapolate your curve pal? My "opinion" is that you are a tad over-promoting/selling. I don't think it's as bad as some others purport, but it SIMPLY is not a rosy as you have painted on your canvas (high above the city, if you know what I mean).

Quite simply, thank god for the cornerstone families here for keeping a modicum of old cash in the banks. Aside from that, we are filling up accounts, pockets and buying assets with a disproportionate amount of laundered funds, like drug money.

Sure, Pichardo, I'll give you many of your points, BUT all of this will have a really tough time within the next 5 years combating the effects of the devalued RD Peso and unstable exchanges.

At some point, for the DR economy to gain momentum and stability (not necessarily related), we will need to begin the process of flushing out bad money with good honest incomes that help families meet cost of living here.

Was Pichardo fired?

From today's Diario Libre: Remesadores proyectan ca?da de remesas este a?o de un 12% - DiarioLibre.com

I wonder what percentage of the remittance "GIFTS" originate from Federally-taxable-earned wages?

Well, this is just one of MANY examples on how Uncle DR is going to be suffering from the "lagged" effects of the global disgustingness.
 

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Was Pichardo fired?

From today's Diario Libre: Remesadores proyectan ca?da de remesas este a?o de un 12% - DiarioLibre.com

I wonder what percentage of the remittance "GIFTS" originate from Federally-taxable-earned wages?

Well, this is just one of MANY examples on how Uncle DR is going to be suffering from the "lagged" effects of the global disgustingness.
Note the article claims that 40% of Dominican households receive remittances. That'll certainly help that "internal economy", huh?