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ARIN assigns blocks of IP address to service providers in the US. To be get a block of US IP addresses, the service provider needs to be physically located in the US. Any parent company can be located outside the US. Thus the ISP is subject to American law and the jurisdiction of American courts and licensing rules.

Very rarely do these copyright monitoring companies undertake real legal action against small-fry infringing subscribers. That requires lawyers, going to court and the expenditure of money. It is much more efficient to petition the service provider (identifiable by your IP address) to terminate your account. This is primarily an administrative process.

The offending user gets an email via the internet provider advising of the infringement. If enough complaints are received the ISP, if asked, will terminate your account. All of the terms of service agreements stipulate that you can't use the service to engage in illegal activity.

In the US you could just go subscribe to another ISP and get back online. Here in the DR, if you lose your US IP Delancer probably doesn't have an agreement with another provider to offer you a new US IP. Claro may or may not offer a US IP service.

If you also live in the US or in a country where the monitoring company has an office, it may choose to take you to court if you fail to stop downloading when asked and get caught doing it again. If they do not have an office in your country of residence they probably won't bother. To get your subscriber info/mailing address from your ISP they need a court issued warrant. To proceed to request the termination of your account, they don't need to know who you are and where you physically live. Your ISP probably isn't too interested in wasting time defending you so if there is a case of repeated copyright infringements, your ISP will find it easier just to wash their hands of your monthly payments rather than risk being dragged into the fray.

As an individual caught downloading HBO content, having to go to court is a very remote possibility. Your actions need to be really egregious, you are deemed to be making money using the illegal content or you have been repeatedly caught and show no signs of ceasing the activity anytime soon.

Much easier to have the offending internet account shut down.
 
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Cdn_Gringo said:
. It is much more efficient to petition the service provider (identifiable by your IP address) to terminate your account. This is primarily an administrative process.

The offending user gets an email via the internet provider advising of the infringement. If enough complaints are received the ISP, if asked, will terminate your account. All of the terms of service agreements stipulate that you can't use the service to engage in illegal activity.


Much easier to have the offending internet account shut down.
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Has anyone in the DR ever had their account shut down by their ISP for this reason?

Anyone ever hear of this happening?
 
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Remember in the OP's case, and applying to all those who use Delancer's US IP service option, it's not Delancer that necessarily controls the cutoff switch, it's the US company partnered with Delancer to provide that US IP address. I haven't bothered to research Delancer's corporate US footprint, so they may have a physical presence somewhere.

I suspect Delancer when advised of any termination would just go clickety-click and you'd be back online with their default Dominican IP address service.

This would however, break all of your IoT that require a US IP address until you set up a VPN/Proxy that is compatible with those sites using geo-location.

One can recover from a copyright IP shutdown, it's just a pain and an inconvenience that for some requires a bit of impromptu learning. Better to do your learning and not get caught rather than have to scramble to react after the fact.

Trivia: Today, my Delancer US IP addressed is being hosted by MTI Technology Corp. in NY. The last time I felt inclined to check it was a company based in California.

The take away from this unfortunate story is that unlike years ago when all that one needed to do to catch up on TV shows was install some software and press the GO button, today, you need different software and procedural knowledge to actively obfuscate who and where you are. Some content producers/providers are more aggressive in asserting their copyrights than others. HBO is a company that has for sometime been very active in issuing DMCA take down notices. Their original content appears online and then disappears quicker than most.
 
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Seamonkey said:
Always use a VPN and be safe.
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That's not quite "cut and dry", a lot of the popular VPN companies have "known" I.P. addresses amongst communities, and companies will block those. Also, The VPN provider can see all your traffic, and do with it what they want - including logging, so if they decided to turn tail, because they are taking heat, you are on the hook.
 
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frank recktenwald said:
If you wanna watch movies use the following links:

https://solarmoviez.ru/

https://www.cuevana2.com/
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The take away from this unfortunate story is that unlike years ago when all that one needed to do to catch up on TV shows was install some software and press the GO button, today, you need different software and procedural knowledge to actively obfuscate who and where you are. Some content producers/providers are more aggressive in asserting their copyrights than others. HBO is a company that has for sometime been very active in issuing DMCA take down notices. Their original content appears online and then disappears quicker than most.
 
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In the email forwarded it says...."We have information leading us to believe that the IP address 144.86.xxx.xxx was used to DOWNLOAD OR SHARE Game of Thrones without authorization (additional details are listed below). "

It seems to me that the shows was in a shared folder long enough for them to spot it. That is one of the ways people get caught. The internet provider cant really see exactly what you are downloading, but can see what you are SHARING because you become PART OF THE TORRENT that other people are downloading, in other words, you are sharing the copyright content.

As far as VPN goes, not having a VPN to hide your IP. Dont get a free VPN either, the free VPN could be the government or anybody and could REALLY SEE what you're downloading. If I was the enforcing agency I would offer free VPN and would catch people infringing copyright all day long and see their traffic.
 
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beeza said:
I thought I'd share this as a warning to those who like to download movies and tv shows from alternative sources.

I fancied doing a marathon session of Game of Thrones and decided to search for a torrent link to download it from. I left my computer to download the whole lot from series one to seven and went off to work. About an hour later I received this email:



The email was sent to Delancer, who forwarded it to me. I subscribe to Delancer's fiberoptic service with a dedicated US IP address. It never occurred to me that they could find me here.
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they will do absolutely nothing to you... its all bs ... how will they collect..... more BS scare tactic
 
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just an update ok beeza:
beeza has been captured and sent to guantanamo bay prison. 20 years hard labor.

alright, stop worrying, like my buddy "sky" and someone else also said, "nothing will happen". The letter was just a scare tactic and this is where it will stop.
just get claro internet and download whatever you want.
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Also be ware, the ransomware and malware hackers are now getting on this bandwagon and sending a lot of emails like these with your IP address and/or name or other details (that they stole from other places) and threatening and scaring people to open attachments or click on links...(check the sender email carefully and don't open attachments or links from unknown sources.)
 
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AZB said:
just an update ok beeza:
beeza has been captured and sent to guantanamo bay prison. 20 years hard labor.

alright, stop worrying, like my buddy "sky" and someone else also said, "nothing will happen". The letter was just a scare tactic and this is where it will stop.
just get claro internet and download whatever you want.
AZB
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CLARO is not an option where I live. They do have DSL at about 1 Mbit/S if I want. That is right about 1 MBit/s.. As I mentioned, not an option.

CLARO has no idea if they will ever have fiber where I am , so I have fiber with a US IP with Cable Del Norte for now.
 
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Uzin said:
Yes, VPN is what you need, I also think there is not much they can do about this as you are here. You get some emails, but I doubt they can force or ask Delancer to stop your service (maximum they can do), there are millions doing the same from DR and, well, so many other countries....
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There are no copyright laws in the dominican republic. Because you have an Ip address that is American HBO thinks you are in USA. Switch IP address or use a dominican one.
 
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The next time you see a Dominican selling DVD's and CD"s you can bet high he did not buy them on Amazon.........
 
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beeza said:
I thought I'd share this as a warning to those who like to download movies and tv shows from alternative sources.

I fancied doing a marathon session of Game of Thrones and decided to search for a torrent link to download it from. I left my computer to download the whole lot from series one to seven and went off to work. About an hour later I received this email:



The email was sent to Delancer, who forwarded it to me. I subscribe to Delancer's fiberoptic service with a dedicated US IP address. It never occurred to me that they could find me here.
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Have they figured out that you're a "flight risk"? :laugh:

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dh9547 said:
There are no copyright laws in the dominican republic. Because you have an Ip address that is American HBO thinks you are in USA. Switch IP address or use a dominican one.
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There are indeed copyright laws in the DR. I was required to registed a document with the department for copyright protection.
 
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Actually you don't need a vpn if you are prepared to "do it" properly so that your downloaded contend is encrypted and transferred by a means that is really difficult for others to monitor.

Torrents are not the answer, are horribly insecure, often contain stuff other than the viewable content that contains malware, are slow to download and expose you to prying eyes. If you are still using torrents, you need to stop doing so unless you are absolutely sure that you know what you are doing and not leaving yourself exposed.

Very unlikely that you will receive a demand letter if using a DR IP address for US copyright infringement but your IP can be added to a list for some sort of future consideration. However, if you do use a VPN with an outgoing US IP, no one may know who you really are, but the VPN company is required to act should they receive communications from the rights holder regarding the use of the VPN service by one of their customers.
 
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