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Fear of looming hurricane grips Haitian quake camps | Reuters

Fear of looming hurricane grips Haitian quake camps
Reuters, By Matthew Bigg, Nov 2, 2010

PORT-AU-PRINCE (Reuters) - How do you prepare a tent to stand up to a
hurricane?

That is the question faced by hundreds of thousands of Haitian earthquake
survivors living in fragile outdoor camps who are bracing for a hurricane
forecast to hit the poor, stricken Caribbean country over the weekend.

"This camp won't stand up to a big wind," said Jean Sincio, a coordinator
for a camp of flimsy tents built in the grounds of a school. It is one of
hundreds of tent and tarpaulin settlements in the wrecked capital
Port-au-Prince housing more than 1.3 million people left homeless by the
January 12 quake.

Tropical Storm Tomas hit the Caribbean's eastern islands as a hurricane
three days ago, killing five people in St. Lucia before weakening. It is
seen gathering force again to batter Haiti and Jamaica on Friday,
forecasters said.

This has triggered another national emergency for the Western Hemisphere's
poorest nation, which lost more than a quarter of a million people to the
earthquake and is now also battling a cholera epidemic that has killed more
than 300.

"Normally in Haiti we are not adequately prepared for this type of
catastrophe, but this time people are even more fragile," said Jamson
Charles, a local leader at the Acra 2 camp that climbs one of
Port-au-Prince's many steep hills.

With United Nations aid officials fearing an hours-long battering from
Tomas, volunteers have been clearing trash from drainage ditches to allow
floodwater to disperse more easily.

But the Acra 2 camp's tents, like most in the capital, are made of tarpaulin
tacked to a thin wooden frame, flimsy at the best of times and no match for
a hurricane.

A full-scale evacuation of the more than a million camp dwellers is
impossible -- there is simply not enough existing secure shelter where they
can be transferred to -- so Haitian authorities are urging camp residents
who can do so to seek safer refuge with family and friends who have solid
homes.

The U.S. National Hurricane Center said Tomas, which was carrying top
sustained winds of 40 miles per hour, could regain hurricane strength by
Thursday.

On Tuesday evening, the storm was about 385 miles from Port-au-Prince and
moving west across the Caribbean Sea. It was expected to turn northwest in
the next two days on a track that could pose a "significant threat" to
Jamaica, Haiti and the Dominican Republic, the hurricane center said.

FEAR OF BUILDINGS STILL LINGERS

Underlining the quake survivors' vulnerability, a storm in September killed
at least six people, injured 70 and destroyed or damaged the tent homes of
more than 10,000 families. Floods and mudslides in mid-October killed 10
more people.

The United Nations and aid agencies, already stretched by the still
spreading cholera epidemic, have launched a major logistics operation to
prepare for the hurricane, rushing food, medicine and shelter materials to
the camps and to coastal communities seen at risk from storm surge or
flooding.

Disaster-prone Haiti is regularly battered by tropical storms. Four struck
the country in quick succession in 2008, killing hundreds and forcing
residents of Gonaives on the west coast to live on their roofs for weeks
when the town flooded.

In the capital's Petionville Golf Club quake survivors' camp, camp leaders
were urging residents to keep away from ravines that rain could turn into
raging torrents.

Many camp residents said they did not have any money to stock up on
provisions after months being unable to finds jobs after the earthquake,
which crippled the Haitian economy.

"Yes, we have heard of the hurricane but I haven't done anything to prepare.
There's nothing much I can do without money," said seamstress Emma Augustin,
who lost four of her 10 children in the earthquake. She lives in a temporary
camp of around 5,000 people set up in the grounds of the prime minister's
residence on a hillside.

"The state has basically ceased to exist since January 12th," said Yves-Mary
Sopin, a camp leader there. "If there is a hurricane here, people will cry.
They will pray and maybe they will run to the Red Cross tent."

But after the traumatizing experience of the quake, in which victims were
crushed in falling buildings, many were still frightened about the idea of
sheltering in buildings.

"If there is a hurricane, people will run to the school, but of course
people are afraid of concrete after the earthquake," said the school camp
coordinator Sincio.
 
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as Sad as that Outlook looks like,
and Yes, it is really as said as it looks,
it is also since many years nothing New, been that far before Tomas, far before the september Storm, far before the Quake.
let's face the Facts:
last Month People Died in haiti due ""Floodings"" of a simple average October Rain, no Storm, no out of the ordinary weather, no Quake, simple Rain, and sorrily that is a monthly ocurrance all around the Year.
the Country is in Need to changes things with or without help from the outside since a Hundred Years, many Billions of Aid flew down the haitian Rivers since then.
the Result:
in 1979 Cat3 Hurricane David blew over the Island without taking reported Lifes there, haiti still had 25% of It's Forrestation alive.
just 25 years later, in 2004, by then only 1.4% of Haiti's Forrestation alive, barely a Treecrowd to spot on a Sat Shot, the weak Tropical Storms jeanne and Gordon went through, Jeanne alone took over 3000 Lifes!!! and all solely due the Floods and Mudslides, nobody been blown away from a windforce or such.

building Tent Cities to let some hundred Thousands survive a few months longer will not solve a thing in Haiti,
give those People something effordable to cook with other than WOOD,
get those Hills Reforrested or for Each Tree not Planted 100 Humans will Die.
a simple Cicle that proofs to be fact in Haiti since Decades,
but TreePlanting Maybe still seen as a Job for Greenpeace and Treehuggers, not suitable for the Comfo Saloons of Politicians when holding their Big Speechs.
In Haiti People DIE due a simple October or November or X-mas or what ever Month/Day Rain.
Now we are talking about any Country's biggest Nightmare on approach,
and No Time to plant a Tree before Tomas Rains down on 'em,
Heck,
there is not even any evacuation running due leak of a place where to go to.
it's the good ole tactics:
Run as fast as You Can,
if that's not fast enough,
Run Faster!

Tomas is actually predicted to Track trough the channel between jamaica and the SW'ern Tip of the Haitian Peninsula, Tracking NNE through the Channel between SE Cuba and NW Haiti, with a slight tought on the Haitian SW and again on the Pass NW. such could leave due the widespreading Rainfalls there 1-3K Names on the final List.
IF Tomas passes Western Haiti 50-70 miles more East of that Track, by far within the Cone of Uncertainties, the List will write easily in 5 Figures Numbers for Haiti alone.
but I guess Today's World Economy does not allow for Mayor Forrestation Programs.
Mike

Mike
 

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as Sad as that Outlook looks like,
and Yes, it is really as said as it looks,
it is also since many years nothing New, been that far before Tomas, far before the september Storm, far before the Quake.
let's face the Facts:
last Month People Died in haiti due ""Floodings"" of a simple average October Rain, no Storm, no out of the ordinary weather, no Quake, simple Rain, and sorrily that is a monthly ocurrance all around the Year.
the Country is in Need to changes things with or without help from the outside since a Hundred Years, many Billions of Aid flew down the haitian Rivers since then.
the Result:
in 1979 Cat3 Hurricane David blew over the Island without taking reported Lifes there, haiti still had 25% of It's Forrestation alive.
just 25 years later, in 2004, by then only 1.4% of Haiti's Forrestation alive, barely a Treecrowd to spot on a Sat Shot, the weak Tropical Storms jeanne and Gordon went through, Jeanne alone took over 3000 Lifes!!! and all solely due the Floods and Mudslides, nobody been blown away from a windforce or such.

building Tent Cities to let some hundred Thousands survive a few months longer will not solve a thing in Haiti,
give those People something effordable to cook with other than WOOD,
get those Hills Reforrested or for Each Tree not Planted 100 Humans will Die.
a simple Cicle that proofs to be fact in Haiti since Decades,
but TreePlanting Maybe still seen as a Job for Greenpeace and Treehuggers, not suitable for the Comfo Saloons of Politicians when holding their Big Speechs.
In Haiti People DIE due a simple October or November or X-mas or what ever Month/Day Rain.
Now we are talking about any Country's biggest Nightmare on approach,
and No Time to plant a Tree before Tomas Rains down on 'em,
Heck,
there is not even any evacuation running due leak of a place where to go to.
it's the good ole tactics:
Run as fast as You Can,
if that's not fast enough,
Run Faster!

Tomas is actually predicted to Track trough the channel between jamaica and the SW'ern Tip of the Haitian Peninsula, Tracking NNE through the Channel between SE Cuba and NW Haiti, with a slight tought on the Haitian SW and again on the Pass NW. such could leave due the widespreading Rainfalls there 1-3K Names on the final List.
IF Tomas passes Western Haiti 50-70 miles more East of that Track, by far within the Cone of Uncertainties, the List will write easily in 5 Figures Numbers for Haiti alone.
but I guess Today's World Economy does not allow for Mayor Forrestation Programs.
Mike

Mike


this is exactly correct
 

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DO NOT FLY INTO PORT AU PRINCE TODAY!!!!!

Especially if you fly with AA.
And do not sit in seat 11C as there is now a big brown stain on that particular seat.
You know it is bad when the Trolley-Dollies are looking worried!!!

I am getting too old for this sh!t!
 
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give those People something effordable to cook with other than WOOD,
get those Hills Reforrested or for Each Tree not Planted 100 Humans will Die.
a simple Cicle that proofs to be fact in Haiti since Decades,
but TreePlanting Maybe still seen as a Job for Greenpeace and Treehuggers, not suitable for the Comfo Saloons of Politicians when holding their Big Speechs.
In Haiti People DIE due a simple October or November or X-mas or what ever Month/Day Rain.


Mike


Solar cooker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It can be that simple as a start but there has to be the will of the government to support it and the will of those who would distribute these en mass to convince simple people that its not some kind of "witchcraft" device that allow them to cook without a fire, not alway's easy so I have read but its doable.
 

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DO NOT FLY INTO PORT AU PRINCE TODAY!!!!!

Especially if you fly with AA.
And do not sit in seat 11C as there is now a big brown stain on that particular seat.
You know it is bad when the Trolley-Dollies are looking worried!!!

I am getting too old for this sh!t!

Hey PedroC,
as long as the Trolley Dolleys look as good and young as usual I sure will never get too old for that ****.

Hows the Neighbour Capital this Noon???
stay Dry
Mike
 

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Raining in Port au Prince - though that is nothing new at this time of the afternoon.

I think it missed us - which is nice.
 

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Raining in Port au Prince - though that is nothing new at this time of the afternoon.

I think it missed us - which is nice.

Just watched World News - they're evacuating some of the tent cities, expecting flooding and mudslides. Predicting 5-15" of rain over a 24-26 hour period. Doesn't sound good.... Keeping everyone there in my prayers

AE
 
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Eerily still in PaP.

Perhaps this is the 'calm before the storm'?

Reminds me of waiting for Dean in '07. Only 50 miles from the eye of a Cat 5 and not enough wind to fly a kite.
Didn't rain at all either.

And after the death-defying flight this morning it just doesn't feel half as dangerous any more.


Have stocked up on essentials.
And some food and water.

See what happens.
 
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Eerily still in PaP.

Perhaps this is the 'calm before the storm'?

Reminds me of waiting for Dean in '07. Only 50 miles from the eye of a Cat 5 and not enough wind to fly a kite.
Didn't rain at all either.

And after the death-defying flight this morning it just doesn't feel half as dangerous any more.


Have stocked up on essentials.
And some food and water.

See what happens.


Best wishes. Be safe. Never know what is truly coming. Thanks for posting the update. If possible, please continue to do so.

Lindsey
 
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Hey PedroC,
as long as the Trolley Dolleys look as good and young as usual I sure will never get too old for that ****.
Mike

Hey Mike,

If you think that the Trolley-Dolly's look as good and young as usual, you obviously haven't flown American Airlines for a loooong time. Either that, or you ARE getting old, (just kidding, buddy).

BTW in my BOAC times (there's long ago for you!) they were called "Cart Tarts"

Just to keep this topic-related and the Mods happy, we closed our office in Port au Prince yesterday until Monday just in case.

Bryan
 

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Tomas runs NNE now and started the awaited increase of Forward Speed, running 8-9mphr now.
His pressure dropped 3mb during this afternoon, not much but still intensification, during the whole procedure passing the West of Hispaniola He will at the end be on the border between a strong TS and a weak Hurricane.
as for PauP I would guess it did not start Yet,
the Rain is on the ENE of the Storm and most effects will come while He is on the same Lattitude with PauP and of course the aftermath once he passed due the Spin and Outflow.
don't await anything from the Oceanside where the Storm passes, You should get most from the SE, that is from the Landside for that Location.

Bryan,
as long as not for emergency I would not fly AA again,
they provided over Decades Lousy Service, no trolleys worth to be mentioned and reading today's first hand of experience of Pedrochemical seems their Pilots still have no clue whatcha doing up there.
back in the Day we called them just Blondies, independend of their Haircolor of course,
to be a Real Blonde is simply a State of Mind, not Color, lol.
stay safe and as dry as possible everybody
Mike
 

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Mike,
I am not criticising the pilots - after all they got us down in one piece.
Even if it was them that decided to go flying today.....

And I believe that AA have a perfect record - they never left one up there yet....
 
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Been raining, no wind to speak of.
But the rain has been constant just about all night - which is unusual in itself.

I will talk to some people this morning and ask what they saw in other parts of PaP.
 
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Report from Las Lomas de Azua (8:15 am)

From the foothills North of Azua, I can see that the town is getting hammered by heavy rain. A wall of cloud toward the South covers the view of the sea from Bah?a de Ocoa to Loma del Curro. The clouds seem to shy away from the high mountains and the foothills where I'm located. Starting about 10:00 pm last night, strong persistent wind driving light to moderate rain in a Westerly direction. The wind has changed direction and is now Northerly, and has picked up now quite strongly, and the rain too. The cloud wall has now approached my area. Over and out.