Trump & DR

[NALs]

In terms of migration, the biggest thing for the DR is a decrease in the pressure coming from Washington DC regarding the mass deportation of Haitians and a decrease of scrutny coming from DC with an intensification of border control. The only time the DR had a US Vice President sent to the DR because of the then new Regularization Plan was during a democratic government. In fact, it was Biden when he was Vice President. Lol That will never happen under Trump’s watch.

As for deportátiles of illegals from the USA, that’s something to affect more other groups. Most Dominican migrants in the USA are legal, so that is a moot point. Dominicans as a group have a rather low illegality presence considering all the people that make the move. I would even say there is no comparison with the Haitian migration to the DR on that basis, since most Haitians that enter the DR don’t do so with a visa unlike most Dominicans that enter the USA.

 

[NALs]

Annex to post #21.

This is a rather recent graph of the amount of illegal immigrants (green) vs the total number of immigrants (legal and illegal or includes the illegals in the purple) in various countries.

It doesn’t includes the DR (though it does for the USA in the lower right.) Now imagine if the DR would had been included. It would be the country with the highest (as a percent) of the green bar vs the purple of all the countries shown there. It would be great if illegal immigrants amounted to 22% of all immigrants in the DR (the immigration issue in the USA and the DR would actually be comparable), but reality is that it‘s way bigger than that and everybody knows it.

 

[CristoRey]

Please remember to keep all posts specifically about how Trump’s presidency will affect DR. Anything else will be deleted.

I took advantage of the early voting and voted (first time in 24 years) for him...
and he won.
He likes this country.
Good things to come.

 

[playacaribe2]

From what I've head and read, if the illlegal aliens have kept their nose clean, they don't have anything to worry about. It's the criminal illlegal aliens of all nationalities that need to be in fear.

They will be far down the deportation regimen for sure…….but Trump is serious about this and his border czar is 110% on board.

On the primary list for deportation are the over 1500 Dominicans in federal prisons. At a taxpayer cost of $38,000 per year per inmate the savings to taxpayers is obvious.

And that’s just Dominicans in federal prison. There are approximately 20,000 non US citizens in federal prisons……do that math at $38,000 per year per inmate.

And that barely scratches the surface of illegals from the DR and Haiti who are now in state prisons.

And then there will be the Dominicans and Haitians (others as well) that are not incarcerated that will be identified as having criminal cases outstanding who will be arrested and deported.

The last will be those who have kept their nose clean……..and I have my doubts that they will be deported by the government, but rather identified and allowed to self deport and wait a period of years and then be allowed to apply and come in the front door.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[chico bill]

That would reduce the number of deportees significantly but not the overall crime rate. The majority of crimes committed in the US are commited by US citizens not illegal aliens. A fact verified by US crime demographics.

I think it would definitely lower the rates in several big cities. But of course the majority are by US citizens because there are vastly more.
But if you look at things like incarceration in California of 91,000 prisoners in the State run system, 21,500 are immigrants. That's nearly 25%. So I think that would reduce the overall crime rate were they not there.
But there are not many Dominicans in California. They seem to gravitate to NYC, New Jersey and Florida.

 

[johne]

But there are not many Dominicans in California. They seem to gravitate to NYC, New Jersey and Florida.

Thats one thing they got right. Legal or not The future of calli is behind it.

 

[drstock]

When they deport Haitians from the USA, the number of dogs and cats will obviously rise!

 

[CristoRey]

I think it would definitely lower the rates in several big cities. But of course the majority are by US citizens because there are vastly more.
But if you look at things like incarceration in California of 91,000 prisoners in the State run system, 21,500 are immigrants. That's nearly 25%. So I think that would reduce the overall crime rate were they not there.
But there are not many Dominicans in California. They seem to gravitate to NYC, New Jersey and Florida.

California is a proud self-proclaimed sanctuary state, it's to be expected.

I know several Dominicans who have family living in America. Some of them may be overstaying their visas however none of them crossed illegally from Mexico.

 

[windeguy]

Trump did say he would vote yes in Florida for legalizing cannabis, so there is that.

All the other things he said about fighting drugs and rehab are just words.

The kudos the DEA director just relayed to the DR drug enforcement staff are window dressing and a morale booster. Small victories will continue to happen but the war is lost as long as the US appetite for illegal drugs remains at its current levels.

Drug usage is increasing, not staying at a level. That is how much effect the wasted effor of the war on drug is having. Almost none. Gamblind and marijuana were illegeal when I grew up in the USA. Now almost everyone can use cannabis and gamble legally in the USA. For those two things, people realized that prohibition never works.

If the DEA slap on the DR back catches Trump’s attention, he may look favourably on the DR for a short time. Other than that, Trump’s interest in DR affairs would only increase if he was able to develop some DR business interests, golf courses, resorts, hotels, etc. if I recall correctly, he had some business interests in the DR during his last presidency but they failed to materialize. As far as I know, Trump has no personal or political vendettas against anybody or anything in the DR. That’s probably a good thing.

The efforts in the DR by Trump were brand labelling developments in what I think was called Cap Cana. For some reason they were just a bit too early down there and/or mismanaged.

The elephant in the DR room is how Trump approaches the Haitian problem. He hasn’t said so but I expect him to cut US funding shortly after he is sworn in. Watched a BBC segment last night. A reporter went on patrol inside an armoured vehicle with Kenyan troops. If anything, it makes the viewer realize the futility of the intervention.

I can't believe anyone thought the Kenyan troop thing would work.

Even the Kenyans are calling for the UN to step in with larger a peace keeping force. If large numbers of Haitian refugees start heading towards the US border as the intervention spirals downward, Trump will expect some help from the DR to control the exodus. I expect Trump to be a friend and foe to Luis, but Luis has enough political acumen to placate Trump when necessary. This is Trump’s last kick at the presidency can. He admitted he will be too old to run again. Luis has the strong political mandate needed to weather any Trump political storms for the next three years.

I fail to see how Trump could expect the DR to do anything at all about Haitians trying to enter the US. That won't be happening. The DR is not inolved with Haitians being smuggled into the US illegally. I don't see the "Trump/Musk Co-Presidency"as a big issue for the DR in any negative ways.

 

[windeguy]

From what I've head and read, if the illlegal aliens have kept their nose clean, they don't have anything to worry about. It's the criminal illlegal aliens of all nationalities that need to be in fear.

Anyone in the US illegally already broke the law. Trump will focus first on those that broke other more serious laws, but those that are simply illegal are definitely on that list to be deported. They are by no means going to be left alone .

 

[windeguy]

That would reduce the number of deportees significantly but not the overall crime rate. The majority of crimes committed in the US are commited by US citizens not illegal aliens. A fact verified by US crime demographics.

It's all illegals, just a priority first on those with more serious crimes. Time will tell how many simply illegal in the USA Dominicans are on that list.

 

[windeguy]

California is a proud self-proclaimed sanctuary state, it's to be expected.

Trump will have to fight the Democrat sancuary states and I hope he wins that battle.

I know several Dominicans who have family living in America. Some of them may be overstaying their visas however none of them crossed illegally from Mexico.

You and me both. More than a few who entered on visitor's visas. They are at risk living and working in the USA illegally after January 20, 2025

 

[JD Jones]

 

[Big]

Trump did say he would vote yes in Florida for legalizing cannabis, so there is that.

All the other things he said about fighting drugs and rehab are just words.

Drug usage is increasing, not staying at a level. That is how much effect the wasted effor of the war on drug is having. Almost none. Gamblind and marijuana were illegeal when I grew up in the USA. Now almost everyone can use cannabis and gamble legally in the USA. For those two things, people realized that prohibition never works.

The efforts in the DR by Trump were brand labelling developments in what I think was called Cap Cana. For some reason they were just a bit too early down there and/or mismanaged.

I can't believe anyone thought the Kenyan troop thing would work.

I fail to see how Trump could expect the DR to do anything at all about Haitians trying to enter the US. That won't be happening. The DR is not inolved with Haitians being smuggled into the US illegally. I don't see the "Trump/Musk Co-Presidency"as a big issue for the DR in any negative ways.

any chance to inject your bizarre ideology into a thread. You are an expert on Dominican politics and U.S policies. Amazing!

 

[NanSanPedro]

Anyone in the US illegally already broke the law. Trump will focus first on those that broke other more serious laws, but those that are simply illegal are definitely on that list to be deported. They are by no means going to be left alone .

I don't think you or anyone else know that. 15 million is a ton and the logistics of deporting otherwise law abiding non-citizens would be overwhelming and not doable. This is why I advise the few Haitians I know to keep their nose clean and go to every appointment they have. Once they miss an appointent with an assumed unexcused abscence, all bets are off and they are no longer "otherwise law abiding."

 

[cavok]

California is a proud self-proclaimed sanctuary state, it's to be expected.

I know several Dominicans who have family living in America. Some of them may be overstaying their visas however none of them crossed illegally from Mexico.

For a while, many Dominicans were flying to Guatemala where they didn't need a visa and did illegally cross the Mexican border.

 

[cavok]

I don't think you or anyone else know that. 15 million is a ton and the logistics of deporting otherwise law abiding non-citizens would be overwhelming and not doable. This is why I advise the few Haitians I know to keep their nose clean and go to every appointment they have. Once they miss an appointent with an assumed unexcused abscence, all bets are off and they are no longer "otherwise law abiding."

Many Dominicans have a strong support network in the US and can probably wither the storm. Many other groups of illegals don't and, once the free housing, food, and support checks stop coming, they will self-deport.

 

[CristoRey]

Many Dominicans have a strong support network in the US and can probably wither the storm. Many other groups of illegals don't and, once the free housing, food, and support checks stop coming, they will self-deport.

...or become criminals.

 

[chico bill]

For a while, many Dominicans were flying to Guatemala where they didn't need a visa and did illegally cross the Mexican border.

Many used CBP One to apply waited for and appointment, crossed on interview then applied for TPS (Temporarily Protected Status) which makes them currently legal.
What changes Trump will make to TPS is anyone's guess.
But if you violate a law once inside the US, whether it be driving without insurance, drunk driving, shoplifting or more serious violent crime you should go to the head of the list to be deported

 

[cavok]

...or become criminals.

And then get deported.