"Viva Baseball", On Tv, A Film About Dominican And Other Latin "Pioneer" Players!

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miguel

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They will run it again!.

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Anyone that saw this show, could you rate
Spike TV will run it again at today at 1am(well tomorrow).


Cleef and suarezn, I have not been able to watch it yet and I glaced at your posts and I can will only post about it after I see it. I did not read you guys posts completely since I want to see for myself.

Again, my brother said that it was amazing.

Whomever want a DVD copy of it, EVERYTHING at my expense, let me know!!.
 

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miguel said:
Spike TV will run it again at today at 1am(well tomorrow).
If you do a quick search there are showtimes listed on the main site. Played again today, same time PCT.

I recalled another funny line.

Vic Power (i believe) when asked why he didn't catch the ball with 2 hands said "if god wanted me to use two hands, he would have given me two gloves."
 

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Loved it!!!

Although I was only able to watch the first hour of the film...they showed it yesterday (9/25) at 9:00 a.m....


Does anybody know if they will re-run it? I'll try to look it up...but if you guys some info, I would appreciate it...

MQ
 

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Let pu it aside!

Musicqueen said:
Although I was only able to watch the first hour of the film...they showed it yesterday (9/25) at 9:00 a.m....


Does anybody know if they will re-run it? I'll try to look it up...but if you guys some info, I would appreciate it...

MQ
Listen, I know that we will never see eye to eye but I would be more than happy to send you a DVD copy of it.

Send me a PM if interested. It's your call.

To all the other posters:

I will be watching it in a few minutes, sans commercials (Thank God for commercial-free "thingies") and then I will post my "review".

Gotta go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
 

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Vladimir Guerrero is a modern day version of Roberto Clemente (modern meaning: he's not nearly as hungry, much lazier, nowhere near the speed and hustle of Clemente


Interesting that you would mention this, since many in the media thought Clemente was not hungry, lazy and a hypchondriac(sp?).

He was much more idolized by many in the US AFTER his death, rather than while he was playing.
 

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NY1 said:
Interesting that you would mention this, since many in the media thought Clemente was not hungry, lazy and a hypchondriac(sp?).

He was much more idolized by many in the US AFTER his death, rather than while he was playing.
Isn't that the way normally?

Judging by a player's highlights is never a fair analysis. But, watching the highlights; his swing, arm, etc. he reminded me of Vlady.

Clemente was before my time, I wish I had that first-person experience with him, as well as Minoso.

If you have any interest in baseball whatsoever (and obviously a Latin interest if you're reading this) this is an excellent documentary; educational, entertaining and funny.
 

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Pretty good!

Just finished watching it and I thought that it was pretty good. Not nearly as good as I thought that it was going to be. But pretty good nonetheless.

I had moments of smiling and moments of sadness. I was saddened by just listening to those greats(like Pellot) talk about the injustice that they had to endure. I was smiling when I saw that most of them stuck together to make themselves feel better.

I was so saddened to re-live Clemente's death. I was so happy, again, when I re-lived Tiant's parent reunion(I was a kid back them but I still remember)

I was so happy to see one of my favorite player of all time conduct himself as the gentleman that he has always been, Mr Rod Carew, to me, he has been the best Latin player that has put on an uniform. He was the only player that when he played against my beloved Yankees, I wanted him to get a hit all the time. I was very biased when it came to Mr Carew. What a great player and hit machine!!. Panama should honor him every month!!

They focused more on Cuban players than anything else. They forgot to mention so many great Latin players. Who can forget when the three Alou brothers, Mateo, Felipe and Jesus, played the outfield for the same team. Can you imagine, right, center and left field being player, the same day, by three brothers, amazing!.

How can they not mention that Marichal and Roseboro, after the bat incident, became good friends until his death.

How can they not mention Tommy Lasorda's inpact on Dominican ball players. Lasorda should be credited for getting so many Licey ball players to the big leagues.

One of the happiest moments that I had during the film, was at the very end, when they started showing player's cards. I gave me such a warm feeling to see some of the players that I grew up watching and admiring. So many memories came back into my mind. I felt like a little kid all over again. I started remembering so many wonderful moments of my childhood when EVERYTHING was about baseball. I would NEVER forget:

Roberto Clemente- This man was so good that every single Puerto Rican should kiss the ground every single time they hear the name "Roberto Clemente" being mentioned. And I think that they DO!. A great player and a greater human being!. He was so passionate about the game. It showed that he played for the love of the game!.

Pedro Borbon- One of the first Dominican "troublemaker". All of a sudden I remembered him fighting with his teammate and countryman, Cesar Geronimo. I thought about the fight that he had with someone and when everything calmed down, without knowing, he put his opponent's cap on and when he found out that the cap belonged to the guy that he just fought, Borbon took the cap off and started biting it, over and over. LOL.

Mateo (Marty) Alou- Faster than a speeding bullet. Great hitter and one of the greatest bunter of all times. The best of the Alou's would sometimes bunt the ball by just waiting for the pitcher to make his delivery and before the bat made contact with the ball, he would be halfway into first base. It was like he just left the bat waiting for the ball and he would start running before they came into contact. Won a few batting tittles also. What talents.

Jesus Alou- I believe that there was way to much pressure for him to be like his brothers. He was the outspoken one, or should I say, the one that would not take any crap from anybody. So different than his 2 brothers.

David (Dave) Concepcion- The Venezuelan that many think should be in the Hall of Fame. What a great player. A master in SS. I thing that the Reds, in the 70's, had the best team of their generation. Imagine this: Tony Perez in first, Joe Morgan in 2nd, David Concepcion in SS, Pete Rose in Third, Johnny Bench catching, George Foster in Left Field, Cesar Geronimo in Center Field, Ed Milner/Ken Griffey, Sr/others on Right Field. No wonder they won so many times in the 70's. What a great team. I loved watching them as much as I loved watching the Yankees.

Julian Javier- My family, in the DR, knows this man personally and he is nothing more than a gentleman. He grew up 2 blocks away from where I was born. My family was very close with his mother. All the kids from the neighborhood wanted to be just like him, me included. It's a shame that he never reached his potential.

Jose Cruz- The Puerto Rican was a master at the plate. I remembered hoping to be a leftie so I could have the same stance that Jose had at the plate. Not a bad fielder either. I am still a big fan of his.

Willie Montanez- The thing that I remember about this good Puerto Rican player was how fricking easy was for him to play first base. Sometimes, while covering first, he would just wait for the ball to reach his glove and then he would just tap the base once at the same time (when he heard the ball hit the glove, then he would tap first base). And let's not forget, also, that when he hit a homer, he would run the bases and when he was nearing the bases, he would slow down, do a little tap tap tap and then touch the base and keep running until he reached the next base and start with the tapping again. Very talented player, even when playing for the Mets.

Felix Millan- Good defense. To bad that he lacked offense. Maybe someone should had told him that if he wanted to be a home run hitter, he should hold the bat at the end and not about 5 inches from the bottom, lol. A tough cookie. I still remember when Pete Rose tried to take him down while sliding into second and him going after Rose, ball in hand, to fight him just to find that "monster" Rose was way to big for him. Big mustache and all, Rose kicked his butt. This Puerto Rican was a good player.

Franklin (Frank) Taveras- Not bad with the Glove. Not that good with the bat. This guys is one of the luckiest man alive. The Mets, many moons ago, were in such need for defense that they signed this Dominican to the strangest of all contract of his era. Get this: He was given a luxury boat and a contract that would pay Taveras a few hundred thousand dollars until he reached the age of, get this, 65!!!!. Can you believe that the guy is STILL getting a check from the Mets' organization even thought he retired years and years and years and years ago!!!!?. Lucky bastard, LOL.

Manuel (Manny) Mota- Who can forget this Dominican gentleman. He, along with Lasorda helped so many Dominicans feel "at home" while they were away from their families. Not only was he a good player and one of the greatest pinch hitter of all times, but he has been involved with the Dodgers organization, in one way or another, for over 40 years!!!!. Mr "smiles" is one of the nicest Dominican to play in the big leagues. The DR should be so proud of this man for what he did on and off the field.

Cesar (Cesarin) Geronimo- What can I say about this quiet Dominican?. He had the fortune to play for a team, Reds, that was full of great players. Although Geronimo was not a great hitter, I have not seen ANYBODY be a better Center Fielder than this man. Even Pete Rose said that he was glad that he played in the same team as Cesar because if not, many of his hits would had been caught by him. This skinny and serious should be very proud of himself for being one of the greatest Center Fielder, IMO, of all times.

Cesar Cedeno- The luckiest man alive!. Not only did he married the "boss" daughter when he played for the Astros but also because he was in the DR when he killed that girl (his lover or whatever she was)in his hotel room in the off season. Many thought that he had the talent to be the next Roberto Clemente but he did not come even close. Had the potential but since he thought that his "****" did not stink, he never reached it. How close he got to be like Clemente?, imo, Clemente was a 9 and Cedeno was a 3, if that!. I wonder if he is still saying that he did not killed that girl.

Joaquin Andujar- Never liked this "hotdog". This Dominican was nothing more than a troublemaker. Very talented but let his temper get the best of him. I still remember Bonds calling him a "hotdog' after Andujar walked him and Andujar following Bonds all the way to first base while calling Bonds all kind of bad names. He did the same thing to Darryl Strawberry. The Andujar versus Gooden duels were legendary back then!.

Ricardo (Rico) Carty- The man was not only a good player, but also a gentleman. This very tall Dominican was feared by many pitchers. It was a shame that he got injured so many times. I was such a fan of this giant.

Mario Soto- Even thought this Dominican had talent to give away and played for the Reds, he was always hurting his pitching arm. He had a few good seasons until his arm just gave out.

Miguel Dilone- Has there been any faster Dominican than this guy?. Good outfielder but not a good hitter.

Omar Moreno- This player from Panama was so good in the outfield that I believe that hitters were afraid to hit to ball his way because they knew that there was a big chance that they were going to be "out". Although he was not that good with the bat, the Pirates, imo, should retire his number.

Jorge Bell- I disliked this "cry-baby" even more than I disliked Andujar. The biggest of all Dominican troublemakers. This guy was such a moron that when his team fans would boo him, he would tell the press that he did not cared because he was a millionaire and that the fan were going to their jobs as factory workers!. This prick even told the Toronto manager that he was just a manager and that they would get rid of the manager before the team got rid of him!. I was so happy when Toronto gave this jack axx the 'walking papers"!.

Pedro Guerrero- He was a very good and feared hitter. To bad that he was always injured. I remember, as if it was yesterday, that this Dominican was such a bad third baseman that when they asked his teammate, Steve Sax, if he liked the ball to be hit towards him, he replied that he prays that the ball was not hit to him or to Guerrero. Or was it the other way around?, LOL.

Tony Pena- Very, very good catcher. This Dominican was not such a good hitter, then again, catcher were not expected to be good hitters.

Manuel (Manny) Sanguillen- This man from Pamana was a good catcher and an ok hitter. I was very happy that he was interviewed for this film because this man should be proud for all his contributions to baseball. Man, the man is still as ugly as when he played, LOL. I was a big fan of his.

Dickie Thon- This Puerto Rican had so much talent. What a fricking shame that his career was cut short. So much wasted talent. I remember watching that infamous game on tv, you know, the game where he was batting and was hit by a pitch right on his face. I still get a chill down my spine when I remember that incident. I am so sorry that he was never the same after that. After that, his life did a complete turnaround. He was so unhappy and mad at the world. Thank God that he dealt with it like a man and conquered all his demons.

I remember so many Latin players that it would take a few "pages" to mention so I will count my blessings and stop now.

There are so many good Dominican ball players that should had been mentioned but I guess that they needed to make a 5 hour film and not a 2 hour one. The only that does not escape my mind is Nino Espinosa. Nino was not that great but was good enough. I really enjoyed watching him play for the Mets. What a shame that he died so young.

There you go guys, there goes my review and lets not forget this are only my opinions.

I do have one last thing to say about the documentary:

What in hell was Keith Hernandez's role on it?????. This guy only contribution was to say that Latin players are hot tempered. Like we needed him to tell us that, lol. On a side note, and this is my opinion of Keith: since I was a young lad, I always thought that Hernandez was a little "fruity", if you know what I mean. Every single time I see this man talk, move his hands and his head, I can not help but think that he has a thing for "bats", even if he married a few months ago for the first time!!.

Btw, I will not say anything about Julio "ageless" Franco, Samuel "steriods" Sosa, Rafael "I have never used steroids" Palmeiro or the greatest catcher that has ever lived, Ivan Rodriguez because they are still active.

Very good film, not great but very good!.

Sorry for the long post. If SOME of you think that it's to long, please don't read and remember that it could have been much longer, hihihihi!!!!!!!!!.
 
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Loved the baseball card flip at the end.

miguel said:
They focused more on Cuban players than anything else. They forgot to mention so many great Latin players. Who can forget when the three Alou brothers, Mateo, Felipe and Jesus, played the outfield for the same team. Can you imagine, right, center and left field being player, the same day, by three brothers, amazing!.

One of the happiest moments that I had during the film, was at the very end, when they started showing player's cards. I gave me such a warm feeling to see some of the players that I grew up watching and admiring. So many memories came back into my mind. I felt like a little kid all over again. I started remembering so many wonderful moments of my childhood when EVERYTHING was about baseball.
Great post.

My oh my?have you a memory!!

I liked the fact that they started with Cuba - as did Latin Am. baseball - and gave them some credit for being the pioneers in some respects. It's where the game got it's start south of the border; but the DR flavor was somewhat lacking.

Nonetheless, the baseball card flipping at the end was top notch. I only wish you could flip them over and read the backs. At one time I owned better than half of the ones shown.
 

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Cleef said:
Great post.

My oh my?have you a memory!!

I liked the fact that they started with Cuba - as did Latin Am. baseball - and gave them some credit for being the pioneers in some respects. It's where the game got it's start south of the border; but the DR flavor was somewhat lacking.

Nonetheless, the baseball card flipping at the end was top notch. I only wish you could flip them over and read the backs. At one time I owned better than half of the ones shown.
Man, don't get me started about my memory!. Lets just say that my mom, Grhs, used to say that from an early ege, I had the memory of 5 people. Crap, I still remember when my grandfather passed away, when I was 3!!.

You are right, the film did not have much Dominican flavor. It was very good and I did learned alot from it!.
 

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It truly was a great clip

I love to see talent, and to see them old guys it's just amazing how good they really were. ;) what was funny was when Babe Ruth's comeback.... and said you better get that arm here . ;)

I've said in other posts... my father managed competitive baseball at a high level and always the Latinos were the most respectful, understanding, giving, versatile and he always respected that. ;)

When we were watching it... I met him, him, and him. I just looked at him and he started telling me stories about them, truly amazing.


my whole life I always played second base and he would tell me.... you don't have the range to play shortstop like my Hispanic players did years ago.... and you don't have the rhythm that's why you can't dance. :eek:

GREAT CLIP...THANKS.
 

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miguel said:
Whomever want a DVD copy of it, EVERYTHING at my expense, let me know!!.

May have to take you up on that. I just got back into the country. No SpikeTV for me while in Colombia. Nor was TV high on the agenda there. I don't see it listed on their schedule again this week.
 
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No problema, camarada!!

toneloc24 said:
May have to take you up on that. I just got back into the country. No SpikeTV for me. I don't see it listed on their schedule again this week.
Want to watch it?. Take these simple steps:

1- send me a PM

2- on the PM, write your name and address

3- Wait about 3 days and

4- BAMMMMMMMMMM, enjoy!!!.


I was also amazed on how these guys played the game. Some of then, not Luque or course, had this mentality that they just wanted to play the game and did not wanted anything else to bother them. I was so happy when Minnie Minoso said that his only enemy was the white ball coming towards him. This coming from a man that was hit more than 37 times in one season and he knew that they were throwing at him.

Just the fact that some of these greats can, STILL, make jokes about those days is truly amazing. Pellot (Power) cracked me up when he was told that they did not serve Negroes and he told them that he did not eat Negroes and that he was Puerto Rican, lol. I guess that SOME of them adapted pretty well to their surroundings. How they did it is beyond me!.

Guys, I forgot to mention and Dominican ball player that they did not mentioned on the film. Well, maybe they did not mention him because he was just ok with the glove and less than ok with the bat. But man, I used to idolize this guy not only because he played in the "big show" but also because he was a pretty decent guy when he played. His name is Mario Guerrero. He was the reason that I always played 2nd base, I wanted to be just like him. One of the very few white(I mean completely white and not white like Elias Sosa who was/is a "jabao") Dominican that have played in the big leagues.

Did you guys heard the signing bonus that those guys got?. Amazing!!.
 

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Miguel, great post (#27). I truly enjoy reading you baseball posts.

miguel said:
I think that the Reds, in the 70's, had the best team of their generation. Imagine this: Tony Perez in first, Joe Morgan in 2nd, David Concepcion in SS, Pete Rose in Third, Johnny Bench catching, George Foster in Left Field, Cesar Geronimo in Center Field, Ed Milner/Ken Griffey, Sr/others on Right Field. No wonder they won so many times in the 70's. What a great team. I loved watching them as much as I loved watching the Yankees
I'm sure you didn't feel that way on October 16-20, 1976. :(
 

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You are a mean person!!!!

rellosk said:
Miguel, great post (#27). I truly enjoy reading you baseball posts.

I'm sure you didn't feel that way on October 16-20, 1976. :(
You, my friend, are a very mean person, how can you do that to me after telling me that you enjoyed my post?. LOL. As Babbo from Seinfeld would tell Jerry: "you very, very bad man".

You know what, it was bittersweet.
 

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Roger and out!!

toneloc24 said:
May have to take you up on that. I just got back into the country. No SpikeTV for me while in Colombia. Nor was TV high on the agenda there. I don't see it listed on their schedule again this week.
toneloc24 and Chris_NJ:

The Rooster was cooked last night

The chicken was sent flying this morning

The eagle will land in a few days

Enjoy your dinner
 

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miguel said:
toneloc24 and Chris_NJ:

The Rooster was cooked last night

The chicken was sent flying this morning

The eagle will land in a few days

Enjoy your dinner

You are the man. Thx Migs!!!
 

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What's up everyone, I just stumbled on to this forum while searching "Viva Baseball"...I watched the film a couple weeks ago and while I was watching it hit me...I have read all of these stories in the book "Viva Baseball"...I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this but the book is worth reading...a lot more details in it...peace.

Dave
 

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Thx Migs

miguel said:
toneloc24 and Chris_NJ:

The Rooster was cooked last night

The chicken was sent flying this morning

The eagle will land in a few days

Enjoy your dinner

Just finished watched the Yankees take control of their series out in Anaheim. Today, I received the DVD in the mail. Think I'll check it out now.

How about those BoSox, huh? Nice showing.
 

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miguel said:
toneloc24 and Chris_NJ:

The Rooster was cooked last night

The chicken was sent flying this morning

The eagle will land in a few days

Enjoy your dinner

Eagle landed...started eating but still have some leftovers for tonight.

Thanks for the meal!
 

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toneloc24 said:
Just finished watched the Yankees take control of their series out in Anaheim. How about those BoSox, huh? Nice showing.
You're such a tool.

Took control at 1-0? Like last year's control at 3-0?

In the many years I've been on this board, you are by far the biggest twit I've ever come across. It's breathtaking.
 
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