Warning!!!!! Take your dollars out of the bank.

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gmiller261 said:
"Doom and Gloomers" You make a run on the banks for USD and all that will be is "self full filling prophecy".

I get the impression that most posts here are not even by adults. Yes, ?do not put all you eggs in one basket?, OK. That holds true for even in the US.

I can only hope the DR has provided you with ?things? that you wanted and needed; If not leave. You should have known what you were getting into. (As so many of your posts announce).

I do not feel anyone should be stressed at financial issues. But, if you are suggesting taking my USD out of their banks and causing more of a problem for the people who do not even have USD. I say quit being so selfish.

You sound like the ?shorters? to the US equity market in the late 90?s. They lost their shirts until the bubble did burst in the late 00. Then we had to hear how righteous they were.

Be concerned, but use you head.

On the Argentina issue which someone poo poo?ed me for just giving statistics. By the way, if you can?t see a correlation (or lack there of) it wasn?t for you.

Argentina
* 39 MM people.
* Revenues: $44 billion
* Expenditures: $48 billion
* GDP ? real growth -10.9% (2002 est.)

Dominican Republic
* 9 MM people.
* Revenues: $2.9 billion
* Expenditures: $3.2 billion
* GDP ? real growth 4.1% (2002 est.)


Oh yes and thanks for the ?student of the obvious? reply; ?but last year there was 40% inflation?. My peso account made that quite obvious. Imagine the poor Dominican with only pesos.

Are you sure you are not related to Rod Serling?
 

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getonwithit said:
........my dad says you are a wally. getonwithit 6 and 3/4 years old.
comment below about being one step out of Africa, are what makes this Board so enjoyable. Not to mention AZB's humor. A lot of anal retentiveness is overcome by a few folks.

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gmiller, sorry but..

gmiller261 said:
"Doom and Gloomers" You make a run on the banks for USD and all that will be is "self full filling prophecy".

I get the impression that most posts here are not even by adults. Yes, ?do not put all you eggs in one basket?, OK. That holds true for even in the US.

I can only hope the DR has provided you with ?things? that you wanted and needed; If not leave. You should have known what you were getting into. (As so many of your posts announce).

I do not feel anyone should be stressed at financial issues. But, if you are suggesting taking my USD out of their banks and causing more of a problem for the people who do not even have USD. I say quit being so selfish.

You sound like the ?shorters? to the US equity market in the late 90?s. They lost their shirts until the bubble did burst in the late 00. Then we had to hear how righteous they were.

Be concerned, but use you head.

On the Argentina issue which someone poo poo?ed me for just giving statistics. By the way, if you can?t see a correlation (or lack there of) it wasn?t for you.

Argentina
* 39 MM people.
* Revenues: $44 billion
* Expenditures: $48 billion
* GDP ? real growth -10.9% (2002 est.)

Dominican Republic
* 9 MM people.
* Revenues: $2.9 billion
* Expenditures: $3.2 billion
* GDP ? real growth 4.1% (2002 est.)


Oh yes and thanks for the ?student of the obvious? reply; ?but last year there was 40% inflation?. My peso account made that quite obvious. Imagine the poor Dominican with only pesos.

As I understand it from my frequent contacts with actual Dominican middle class people and from the information on the newspaper sites and DR1, over the past half-year the current government has come to the end of its rope. They have plundered the country's treasury and beggared its people by loaning both domestically and internationally on an exobirtant scale. Meanwhile these loans have gone into either sustaining a massive patronage system or into investments of very dubious quality. Currently, the government of this beautiful island has trouble making interest payments on its foreign notes. This has led to to almost default and consequently reduced borrowing capacity because of reduced creditworthiness. All in all a very serious situation by my account.

While it may be true that a dollar run on the banks could help the collapse of this government, I'm am not convinced that this is a bad thing, both because it will further reduce the future loaning capacity of this insane government and because, as Pib said as well, you cannot fault people for trying to protect their interest.

The true status of the countries finances in my opinion are clearly marked by the way that the black-outs are becoming more and more of a problem and the governements intention of strong-arming the electricity companies into forgoing their debt, by calling in the generals.

All in all a very bad situation and if people chose to withdraw their dollars from this I for one cannot fault them.

MD

PS: Your so-called snide-remark about the age of posters here only shows your own insecurity and inability to judge the merit (without agreeing to them) of other people's arguments.
 

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Formosano2000 said:
I was a tourist in Argentina in Dec/2001 when all hell broke loose there.

Anybody who kept US$/AR$ account within Argentina, locals or foreigners alike, was subject to "corralito" that capped weekly withdrawal at US$300 a week even if you had millions in the account.

The situation got so bad at one point that "feriados bancarios" were declared which forced all banks to shut their door for one full week. During these period, only pensioners could go in to collect payment (usuallly after 4-5 hours of wait). No other transactions were accepted. Not even when you walk in to change US$ into AR$.

I was able to freely withdraw Argentine peso from ATM's because I have US$ account in the US while locals had to depend on cash stuffed under their mattresses unless they had money abroad.

Many stores refused to take credit cards for fear of bank non-payment or tagged on steep surcharges on credit cards.

Then in Jan/2002, Argentine peso was freely floated for the first time since early 1990's.

Result: Argentine peso fell from US$1=AR$1 to US$1=AR$4 within 5 months before stablizing at US$1=AR$2.90 that has more or less held to this day.

See: http://finance.yahoo.com/m5?s=USD&t=ARS&a=1&c=3

As a prime exporter of beef, ironically Argentina started to have trouble feeding its own people and reports trickled from the interior (poorer regions) that people were literally starving to death and many kids were severely underfed. I later read articles in New York Times that confirmed these reports. Local media, though, largely kept quiet on this.

In mid-2002, half of Argentina's 36 million population was officially declared to live under poverty line and the unemployment exceeded 20%.

I shudder to think what fate will befall this pretty island given the grim Argentine precedents.


I remember the EXACT same thing happening in Mexico in the mid 80s--the Mexican Banks were paying some Sky High Interest rates-25-35% and a lot of Americans in Guadalajara (my ex wife's hometown) were heavily invested and had the financial RUG pulled out from under their feet when Mexico FROZE all Dollar accounts and changed the rules to withdrawals that would be permitted would be only in Pesos and many lost big time and looks like it very well could be deju vu in the DR soon.Can't happen? Don't tell the Americans who were in Mexico that story!
 
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Some people in this forum have been "forecasting" an economic disaster since their dollars started to worth less and less pesos ... yet the economy is recovering slowly and thata "disaster" has not come yet, ah yeah you'll now say: "wait and see"
 

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During my studies one of my professors quoted a american director of... somthing (don't remember his name sorry for that)

"Every year my departement forcasted war. I ignored the warning year after year. And you know what; I've only been wrong twice (14-18 and 40-45)

So if you continue to forcast doom eventualy you'll get it right


Greetings


Johan
 

NALs

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project9 said:
Some people in this forum have been "forecasting" an economic disaster since their dollars started to worth less and less pesos ... yet the economy is recovering slowly and thata "disaster" has not come yet, ah yeah you'll now say: "wait and see"
Forecasting? It's more like wishful thinking!

Too bad economic theory actually works! ;)

However, if you notice my "forecasts" are the closest to reality and has been for quite some time now. Check them out.
 

NALs

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heldengebroed said:
During my studies one of my professors quoted a american director of... somthing (don't remember his name sorry for that)

"Every year my departement forcasted war. I ignored the warning year after year. And you know what; I've only been wrong twice (14-18 and 40-45)

So if you continue to forcast doom eventualy you'll get it right


Greetings


Johan
The law of averages (ie. probability), it never fails.

The only thing is that you will be proven wrong so many times that by the time your chance comes to play, nobody will be willing to listen!

This is true with anything.

BTW, all those people flocking to Casinos to "win it big" are fools. In the long run, everybody looses money in those places.

You will have more luck by simply burning your cash!