What would you do?

Hey... i wanted to know if the last part happens for Real or you added it from your imagination....mira mi hermano no me vengas con ese coro de que los tipos te devolvieron todo solo por ser "cool" to' el mundo aqui sabe que eso no pasa en la Republica Dominicana. So at least, say it's 50/50 tru/history.

The next time try to take something to protect yourself anywhere you go, and don't do the same thing day after day, because those guys almost never do that the first time they see you.....they must study you before to know if you're alone or if you have a weaponand all that things.... and even if you dont belive this im sure.....i know some of thems....:)


Take care and good Glock...sorryy Luck
 
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Just go home and forget it. If, that is, it really happened. When I read "Part 1" you had my sympathies, but my gut reaction to your story was go home and forget it, s**t happens. But when I read "Part 2" I decided it's all fantasy. Maybe you fell asleep in the sun after downing a few beers and it was all a dream. You should consider taking up writing fiction as a full time job, you'll earn more than you ever could from teaching ;)
 

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Sorry to hear this happened to you, Cleef. Take comfort in the fact that you have a great future as a writer ahead of you... I loved the descriptions. I hoped writing part two helped you get rid of that feeling of helpless rage that one has to deal with in such a situation.
Hugs,
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Now what would you do?

1. Call it a wrap? Go get that stiff drink Timex was referring to?
2. Call the police now that you KNOW there is a connection to your stuff?
3. Go get some money, come back and continue?

I would do.

#3, then # 1.

But I would have somebody I trusted who has a gun, going back with me.


Tim H.
 

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I had a suspicion that something like this was gonna

happen. Seems to me you are dumb enough to do something like this. Good going.

I would do number 3 BUT, I would find a friend with some fire power, just in case. Unless you feel that you have bonded with the Tony Soprano of the barrio??

What the hell buy a few frias and enjoy live. Learn to play dominos there. Some of those folks have nice young daughters....


HB
 

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Not the end, but all that's happened so far.

Mike I.

I think I'm getting most of what you wrote in Spanish (but I'd love a clearer translation). I won't debate with anyone my honesty. If you don't believe it, it's because you don't want to. I'm totally fine with that.

Like anything in life you really have to experience "it" before making any judgments on "it". But here on a message board where courage is created by keystroke, even the littlest mouse can squeak loud ? ones that would be crushed-like-grape in a sit down.

You can characterize what I did as stupid, and I wouldn't argue that point, I?d debate it, but not argue. However, I think one of the benefits in treating everyone with respect is that I'm afforded the luxury of not ever having to look over my shoulder.

There are exceptions to all rules of course, but I've found that Dominicans in particular, when they are shown respect (especially from someone who outwardly has no gain in doing so) will return that respect many times over. I'd rather live my life believing that, right or wrong. I'm not afraid of making mistakes.

If I smile and say hello to someone in Boston, it will normally go ignored, and more often returned with a scowl (eventually there will be an entire chapter dedicated to the #504 from Watertown to Boston that I begrudgingly rode on heavy snow or rain days). When I do that same ?hello? here, a return greeting and a smile are knee-jerk reactions, and I could have their entire life story inside of 20 minutes if I so please. The reality is that inside of an hour I could be at their house eating dinner and meeting three generations of the family if I really wanted to. The people make the country; the country doesn?t make the people.

That in essence is my belief in the spirit of the people in this country. I've been living "it" long enough to sincerely believe it to be true. If I'm wrong perhaps I'll be taught so, but until such time I'll be richer living the way I do. Again, I'm not afraid of making mistakes - calculated that is.

I made some stupid mistakes on Sunday, but going into the barrio wasn?t one of them.

You can debate my approach, and that?s precisely why it?s being written the way it is. Believe me, none of you have come up with anything I haven?t thought through 10 times over. Last night was my first good night sleep ? thank you batting cages and grande?s.

Tony C, the paying for justice idea is enticing, but I don?t have that Policia friend, and although a valuable asset I?m sure, I?d prefer to keep it that way. And pray tell what does ?honor? have to do with this? ?Honor? thy neighbor?s possessions? You lost me on that one. If you still feel I?m the same scum as him (in your book as you say), keep it to yourself and I?ll get the message that way - or I?ll pick up your book when it comes out.

John S. The Policia horse brigade is still ?active?. They sleep in the shaded part, smack dab in the middle of the high traffic area, near the beer stand.

Back to Mike I ? You?re right on. This one was certainly planned ? or at least cased out beforehand, perhaps months in advance if my hunch is right.

Again, I?ve done the park thing 25 times minimum. Half of those times I?ve brought my camera. I?m sure this scum has seen me before, even I recognize familiar faces climbing up the stairs and over to the park on occasion.

I normally ride up and down the length of the park 5 or 6 times (or after I?ve collected 5 or 6 kites in my spokes, gears or around my neck ? whichever comes first) before I stop to read and catch a breeze. I look for a good spot with some sun and shade. I rarely sit in the same place twice. I don?t do this for safety purposes; I just bike until I want a break.

My hunch and the camera: I have a long zoom lens that is certainly an eye-catcher for scum. I?m far more deliberate in my presence with the camera. I?m cognizant of every movement around me. I assume I?m getting lined up at all times.

Trust me when I tell you that I?m not an orphaned fawn in the woods; I?m street smart, and now so more than ever. I also have a history of catching bike thieves - 2 for 3 ? so I?ve never hesitated to give chase (the only miss I wasn?t there for).

In the case from Sunday, I noticed the scum in my peripheral, but I foolishly kept my head down assuming he was trying to sell me something (?No thanks, I have a bunch of knives at home already?). NOT a calculated mistake at all, dumb, dumb, dumb.

One of the small advantages of playing the ?no comprende? gringo is that when you are able to understand more than you can speak, you get information that ?they? don?t think you?re getting. My students are beginning to catch on now as some of their Reporte de Deficiencia?s quote them verbatim in Spanish.

On Sunday at the ?gringo-with-the-nice-bike-at-the-colmado? fiesta, there were some references to a ?maquina, machina? combined with the theatrics of taking a picture. It then popped into my head that my previous photographic exploits in the park had not only been noticed, but also gauged and remembered. I photographed a wedding party in this barrio from my perch in the park many months ago.

Back to the Barrio

Timex, you?re right on Time! #3, then #1.

I return home after my relatively successful recovery mission and gear up; money and regalos (8x12 photos of Pedro from my own personal collection) and hop a cab back to the jungle. I said I?d be back at 4, but I decided against that and went straight back, it?s either now or never.

I tell my cabbie ? someone I?m friendly with and have known for about 5 months ? the story. He?s adamant about telling the Policia. I?m telling him no, no, no. As we get to the beginning of the park off of Churchill, he stops to talk to a cop, I yell at him repeatedly to keep going, he relents. When we get to the entrance of the barrio I tell him to wait 10 or 15 minutes and if I?m not back by then, go get the cop, he agrees and I bound off into the jungle.

The crowd is gone now, and so are most of the smiles ? now replaced with some uneasy disbelief. That?s fine; I?ve polished the needed Spanish on the ride over and I?m not here to hang around and play with kids anymore. I just want Tony to hold up his end of the deal, and everyone gets what they want.

La jefa is now running a card game in an alley (the whole place is alleys really) and wants me to play. I?m not feeling as confident (nor the love [sic]) as I was before, so I say I?ll just watch thanks and back into a position where I can see everyone.

By now Tony?s been alerted that the ?loco gringo? is back. Clearly he?s been sleeping off the morning?s excitement and is in an indifferent mood. I cut to the chase and tell him if you return everything I?ll give you $500 now, and $500 later, or you get nothing. His reaction gives me no clear indication, and I?m not confident. I get the hint that this isn?t going to be as easy as I?d wished. He leaves and I?m unsure what to think next.

I?m back to reasoning with the old women playing cards, relentlessly explaining that the $ is far more valuable than what?s left in my bag. I?ve seemingly got them on my side for what it?s worth (not much really) but I feel a little safer asking questions about the card game, joking with them, showing them and one very curious kid the Pedro pictures.

In about 20 minutes time Tony returns with a bag containing my backpack (almost forgotten in all of this but a huge score ? if for only memento purposes ? this thing has been everywhere with me) and my hat.

No tools, no pump, no watch. Basically nothing shiny ? who the hell stuck me up, a raccoon?

I?m pissed and I get right into his face (I have 20 pounds and 5 inches on him, he's got his shirt off so nothing to hide - no cuchillo) and tell him about it in probably the worst Spanish I?ve attempted since ?Co?o? the neighbors dog; ?You just lost a thousand pesos dipshit, you get nothing now? and I begin to walk out.

The older women start yelling at him and he?s dazed from what just happened. I look over my shoulder and give him a disgusted look, stop, turn around and head back to try and leave on a good note. I slip the little curious one two pictures of Pedro and exchange the Dominican handshake ? the fist smash. He?s ear to ear and I?m out of here. I then relent and give Tony $200 and the hands start coming out like I?m a change machine. ?Adios?.

When I get near the top of the barrio (the part by the road, near the park) I realize the cabby has been waiting for me and it?s way past 10 minutes. Luckily ? for whom I don?t know ? he?s found some shade and is sound asleep. ?Diablo co?o!?

Ok, last time:
Now that we are completely caught up to today, what would you do?
1.) Get that stiff drink (did that) and get over it (clearly having trouble with this part).
2.) Go to the policia and go through that retarded verbal gymnastics routine.
3.) ?

p.s. Pretend this is algebra, no answers without showing your work.
 
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in the first instance:
i was sad to hear about yet another mugging in mirador sur. they seem to be getting more and more common, and, as usual nothing is done about it.

in the second instance:
i?m not sure if i would have done the same thing, but your story seemed to turn out for the better.

in the third instance:
i wish you hadn?t gone back. maybe, your things did have some sentimental value, but just the fact that you went back means that they could milk you for more cash.
how much did you dish out on your last visit?
they (the people in the barrio) are clever enough to realise that the money is not necessarily in the actual robbery, but making it possible that the victim will pay to get it back.
i?m sure you would have got it all back in the end if you had really wanted it, little by little and at a very high cost - plus they come out looking good.

i hope other people reading this decide to call the police (it may do some good in the long run) or if you are as lucky as in this story - let it go the first time you get out of the barrio.
 

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Entiendo

getonwithit said:
i hope other people reading this decide to call the police (it may do some good in the long run) or if you are as lucky as in this story - let it go the first time you get out of the barrio.


Right on.

I'm by no means recommending my course of action to anyone. Regardless of how meaningful your property is to you, and how lucky or skilled in the ways of the world you think you are.

I went on instinct that was heavily infused with reactionary rage. A potentially dangerous combination.

If I found the scum, there would have been an extensively quicker healing process for me, and an extensively long healing process for him. I'm not sure if the beating would have taught him a lesson, but I would have saved many potential victims from his presence, and he'd be far less threatening in a wheelchair.

As it turns out 96 hours later I'm almost over it - although I don't know what time it is and I can't fix flat tires until I get paid again.

Besides my goods, total cost of the barrio breakdown was RD$320 ($120 r/t taxi, $200 to Tony) and a couple photographs.
 

Jan

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It may have been a bad thisg but just think of the big story to add to your journal! Things like this can only make life more interesting. Not that I'm saying to look for stuff like this to jizz up the life but when they do happen use them to learn by. And you have a great story to tell!
Your alive. Met some new interesting people. Had an interesting time in the barrio. PMA!(posisive mental attitude)
 
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Now there's an offer. It's 4.15pm here in England and I've just about finished my daily 8 hour grind. Breakfast seems like a fine idea to me. Mmmmmm, crispy bacon, eggs sunny side up, button mushrooms, grilled tomatoes, sausages . . . .
 

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Re: You have passsed your initiation

Eddy said:
Welcome to the club. No one will ever touch your shit again. Bienvenido Hermano...... A Glock is still a good option.

Eddy is absolutely right. Good for you not putting up with that shit . If you had just walked away and chalked the incident up to experience every thief would be salavating at the opportunity to rip you off.Now they wont **** with you.
Larry