which british company up and left?

beeza

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could be an airline or travel company , do they count

Thomas Cook UK have seriously dropped the DR this year. Only one flight every fortnight from MAN into POP. PUJ has been completely dropped this winter. Although Condor which is Thomas Cook Germany is on the rise in both POP and PUJ.

Don't think that Thomson are doing that well either.
 

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Thomas Cook have filed for bankruptcy protection, if that is a sign of anything. According to some reports there will be several airlines showing signs of dragging toes in the new year and falling flat soon after. I doubt this has anything to do with this though, filing for bankruptcy protection is not gone bust.
 

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Close TC went on an acquisition binge too quickly, and bought up 5+ companies in 4 years, and now they're in a cashflow crunch on their debt obligations. So it's not really related to DR. Though it could just be that they don't need the DR headache. only so many chavs willing to sit on a plane for 10 hours to learn bachata and take morning after pills every morning. really greece and turkey offer the same as puerto plata, without the higher fuel costs.
 

beeza

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Close TC went on an acquisition binge too quickly, and bought up 5+ companies in 4 years, and now they're in a cashflow crunch on their debt obligations. So it's not really related to DR. Though it could just be that they don't need the DR headache. only so many chavs willing to sit on a plane for 10 hours to learn bachata and take morning after pills every morning. really greece and turkey offer the same as puerto plata, without the higher fuel costs.

So true. I used to work for TC until quite recently. I used to fix their planes in POP. It really made me cringe when I saw the hordes of tracksuit wearing, tattooed, skinhead chavs that were paying my wages! Not a company to be proud of any more.
 

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That is not TC, that is PoP and the cheapo holidays people mistakingly book. Most Euro Chavs have a crap time on the North Coast, they go once and then never come back to the country thinking that is all there is to offer. Chavs expect a night scene, and I know Sosua and Cabarete like to think you have a good night scene, but by European standards for partying, it is pipe and slippers time. I don't think Chavs return, I think they see Caribbean and think 'wow that's cheap', same price as a week or 2 in Corfu or Ibiza (whatever) and so book the dream. Most people associate Caribbean holidays with expense, when Pop sell off A?I week long breaks for 400 quid people, anyone will jump at it, just to say they have been to the Caribbean.

A few years ago me and the Mrs went up to PoP to have a break from home and the norm for a while, we stayed in PD just to take the load off, do nothing and have everything at our finger tips. It was amazing as people had flown from the UK and were staying at the same hotel for less than we paid having only driven from our home. That is not the weird thing though, the MAJORITY of people we spoke to were on the dole/unemployed and could afford the break. That pi$$ed us off no end, dole mongers holidaying it up in the Caribbean, when did that happen. We thought we were lucky until then, lol. Needless to say we have never been back to the north coast since, nothing to do with that vacation specifically, but there is nothing at all to attract us to that area and so...................
 
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There's a screen play in this

Chavs on Holiday

I tell you, if the drama club could get a feed to screen a funny weekly helping of some series around the goings on of expats on the Northcoast they would get a real good following and the actors would become overnight superstars within the Isle, and beyond. I don't know if they have cameras and whatever other equipment needed to start recording, but there's plenty of money around between them, why not.
 

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it's front page news in the listin today.
the company is supposed to be biwater international.

a lot of criticism about the way the ambassador handled all this as well.
 

Givadogahome

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not what youve been telling us before, you need to start making notes to get the story right

OK if you need exact clarification, we have not felt the want or need to have a lengthy vacation on the north coast, it is difficult to ignore completely. Does that make you feel better? talk about pi$$y posters ffs!

Back to the OP if that's ok with you Mildred!
 
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...why the government was demanding 9 million from them, can anyone explain this better?

It was not the Dominican government.
Biwater International Ltd. had been sued by subcontractors since 2003.
One of the Dominican businessmen had won a claim of more than 9 million dollars against the British company in 2007, which was finally approved by the Supreme Court in 2010.
The firm left the country the same year claiming that the government still owed them 5 million dollards and that (in their view) the country provides no legal security.

donP
 

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Let's hope this opens up the flood gates and some other Ambassadors grow a pair and expose corrupt officials.

I have no doubt the usual Government bottom feeders and funded media will try and spin this.
I'm sure they will dig up the Ambassadors past and deflect the attention.

Stephen is a good guy and glad to see him stepping up, as opposed to many others that turn the other way.
 

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I had the chance to speak with Willy Nowontny, Biwater's Dominican chief of operations in SD because of a project and he told me the difficulty of working here in the DR. Specifically, he said whenever it was announced they were awarded a contract the people from impuestos internos would come over and try to get them to pay taxes. He said he a had a league of lawyers just to deal with all the, hint, hint, corrupt officials that tried to squeeze them.

With regard to the aforementioned settlement I don't know that US9M is a large amount given that they had US120M of work on the books for 2009 and might normally pay it if they thought it was unjust but just a occasional event but I expect they saw it is writing on the wall of future things to come. I expect they may have felt that with Odebrecht's increasing involvement and very close relations with the DR gov't could be problematic to get the fees they needed to make it worth it to stay here.
 

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I second that.
He helped me and my family when he did not have to.
And he is the least patronising public official I ever dealt with.
He had the courtesy to reply personally to a request I sent, even though it was something he couldn't help with.
 

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Let's hope this opens up the flood gates and some other Ambassadors grow a pair and expose corrupt officials.

This is the time when the US, Canada, and French officials step forward. It will be the only way the DR will take notice.

Regards,

PJT
 

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Let's hope this opens up the flood gates and some other Ambassadors grow a pair and expose corrupt officials.

I have no doubt the usual Government bottom feeders and funded media will try and spin this.
I'm sure they will dig up the Ambassadors past and deflect the attention.

Stephen is a good guy and glad to see him stepping up, as opposed to many others that turn the other way.

Surely the companies involved are the ones that have to step up and not the ambassadors. The companies most likely want to keep things confidential for fear of a) looking bad or b) if they're public their shares may be affected c) many other issues such as banking covenants etc.

So this public shaming was probably approved by the company involved before the British ambassador could disclose the case - no?