Why all inclusive?

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Anette

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Hi!

i have herd some rumers about all inclusive and the reason why theres so many all inclusive hotels in Dr. Can anyone here help me out?
In Dr, all the hotels, specially when you are using a travel-agency from Scandinavia, all the hotel (almost) are "all inclusive" hotels. I wonder WHY????? Is that because the crime-rate is so high outside the hotel-areas or is that because the hotel want to keep there costumers in ther area for earning more money on them?
Honestly, is it because of the crime and the lack of safety outside or?

Another thing... Is it really risky to have a apartment outside like, Sosua or Cabarete isnsted of inside the towns?...
 
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Duck

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The all-inclusive resorts try to keep the customers inside, and usually offer their guests guided tours or additional activities (of course for a small fee) through organizations which pay them comission in some way or another. I have been in the DR over a dozen times, never reserved a hotel, party until the sun comes up, and had $RD 500,- (?35) stolen from me once because I was stupid.

I think if you are aware of your surroundings and use common sense, the DR shouldn't be more dangerous than downtown Stockholm or Oslo. If you book without all-inc. you may experience more unique things (or if you take the all-inc, but go out on your own anyway). Lets face it - if you want all inc, you may as well go to Mallorca and save 7 flight hours!
 
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Natasha

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Although the DR (more specific Sto. Dgo.) is giving San Juan and Kingston some competition, the crime rate isn't as bad as other places. I feel much safer in SD than here in the Wash. DC area for example.

So no, the reason for all the A-I resorts is not because of high crime rate, but because the DR decided to follow the A-I formula directed at mass tourism - keeping the people inside the complex, one price fits all, no tipping necessary, that Jamaica perfected. Even the non A-I existing hotels had to go A-I in order to compete with the mega A-I chains, unfortunately.

My husband and I have stayed at two smaller A-I resorts in the DR, but we are too much into other aspects of a hotel (good food, scenery, quiteness) to re-consider staying at an A-I again (well, maybe except for El Portillo :))

You CAN still find lots of smaller hotels in the country that are not A-I. Hotels in SD generally operate under the EP plan, but if you want beaches, your best bet is to head to the Samana Peninsula or perhaps the southwest. Also, there are small non A-I hotels in Cabarete, Sosua and Costambar/Cofresi'.

Regards,
Natasha
 
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Eddy

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I cannot add anything to Duck and Nat's posts. If you really want to feel you have visited the DR, met the people, sampled their hospitality well.........
 
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anna

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Eddy is right, We have people come down and stay with us all the time that would not think of an all-inclusive, See the real DR and its warm and wonderfull people...
Good luck
 
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Susanne

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Anette, the crime rate in the DR is by no means appalling. Yes, where petty theft is concerned, it is probably higher than in Scandinavia, but generally the DR is a very safe country to travel in.

The all inclusive idea is not only competitive (as described by others) it also appeals to people, like Scandinavians, who come from far away and have absolutely no idea of what to expect where the local price levels are concerned. Most have heard that the Caribbeans are expensive (which is true in most cases but not in the DR) and are then assured by the AI concept. At least everything is paid for, no unpleasant surprises! Or, as one of the Scandinavian tour operators put it: Your wallet is on holiday, too.

What most people don't know is that the DR is a cheap country to stay in as a tourist. Food and local drinks are very cheap, especially compared to Scandinavian standards. Eating out is affordable too. What is expensive is the imported goods, but you can easily live without them, the local produce is generally of a very high standard.

Why then go AI? It depends on what you want from a holiday. If the general idea is to be somewhere warm and tropical, by a pool or a beach and mingling mainly with other tourists and taking the occasional tour out but otherwise let yourself be entertained by the different games and shows put on by animation team of the hotel, the all inclusive is your best choice. This is exactly what you will get. As somebody else put it, you might as well have gone to Mallorca, but if you like your holidays like this, it is a good choice.

If you want to feel how far you have really travelled (and not only through jet lag), if you want to sample a different life style, a different rhythm in everyday life and a stunningly beautiful nature, then stay away from the all inclusives. They won't offer you that. Travel independently, it will also give you a chance to see more than just one place. You can travel very, very cheaply by bus in the DR. The big nationwide buses from Caribe Tours and Metro are fast, reliable, comfortable and - for a tourist with a high Scandinavian income - dirt cheap. The little local guaguas are fun, not at all comfortable and even cheaper.

Personally, I travelled around and stayed at a couple of different small hotels (go to Samana!!!) for nearly two weeks with my family (husband and two small boys, age 3 and 5). The last two nights we checked in at the Riu Mambo in Bahia Maimon outside Puerto Plata and it was a perfect way to end the holiday. Great hotel, beautiful surroundings. But I would have hated to stay there longer. The all inclusive concept is great for just relaxing, but I tend to get bored eventually by this kind of "summercamp for adults". But as I said: To finish off and digest all the different impressions it was ideal.

Regards,
Susanne
 
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charlyloco

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I want to be quiet, but this kind of question and the answers here.......it socks!
So if you able to read german go on the upper Link and dont read only my article, there are a lot of commends from readers with experiences.
And please dont bring this rumor in public that DomRep is a dangerous Country. This comes just from the resorts to scare their customers and let them spend all there money inside the resort (or only book the small trips by them), aditionel to there package. But there is nothing for the employees, (no tip because nobody carries a vallet:-( )or to the normal business in the country.....
But why I write here is the crime people are talking about. I know the DR more than 36 years, but not only the DR. I was captain in merchand-navy, so I been almost all over the world and use to live in severall countrys. Even all scandinavien country I know well........
So I can say that DomRep is one of the savest/secured country in the world. Of course since whe have tourism here, it increase in the last years. But this is happend in the whole world and in any big citys (doesn't matter if poor or rich)like St.D.,in the world you will find more crime, than.......
It's up to you if you later can say that you been in the DR (and starting to love this kindly country-with the almost harmless inhabitands in the world) or if you just know another beach (in this case, dont bother your poor body with that fly/trip and go to Mallorca*LOL*..)
If they sell only AI packages in scn. so use it, but near a natural grown city like PuertoPlata-Columbus/Colon was there 3 times why not you*LOL*?, St.D. etc.) and go outside to best cheap retaurants, drinks a.s.o., just make your own experience.
Anyway good luck and nice vac.
cu/charly
 
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Susanne

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Charly, I read German very well, I have read your home page some time ago, and I really fail to see why the answers here suck! They are not all that different from your own. Most people here are agreed that all inclusive may not be the greatest thing that ever happened to the Dominican Republic.

Also, I find it difficult to see why it should be problematic to ask this kind of question. At least the girl wants to find out rather than just take whatever the tour operators or the rumours say at face value.

For Anette: Yes, you can actually go independently rather than all inclusive. Spies and Tjaereborg offer smaller hotels in the Sosua/Cabarete area, I think Ving Resor do as well. And you can do like we did: Just buy the plane ticket from the operators, most of them will let you do that, and arrange everything else yourself. It is easy through the Internet. Have a look at the hotels in Samana: El Portillo, El Marinique, Club Bonito etc. Most hotels in the Dominican Republic have their own web page.

Ha' en rigtig god ferie. Det er et fedt land, men s?rg for at se det i stedet for bare at n?jes med turistversionen, for s? er det rigtigt at man burde n?jes med en kortere flytur i stedet for at sidde fuldst?ndigt forkrampet i et overfyldt charterfly:-(

Regards,
Susanne
 
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Aino

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Hej Anette,
I agree with all the abowe written. Like Susanne, I will also advise you to book your tiket and just hit the road.
Well, if you are very adventerous you can book just the tickets and find the places to stay right at the spot. This would be propably the cheapest and most interesting way to explore the country (on my opinion).
I am a young skandinavian (blond, atractive) lady and did a trip like that to RD for two weeks few months ago. I did not have any problems and felt safe all the time. Ofcourse some of the local male?s were "grazy" to catch me in almost what evermeans, but they let me in peace as I did not courage them.So feel fre to have a great adventurous holliday in DR. The people and the island is just wonderful!!!
Besos Aino
 
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hillbilly

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there are a couple of reasons, but not that. *PIC*

1)The A-I model was developed in Europe and brought here by the Spanish chains that pretty much control the local hotel industry.
It obviously offers a lot of advantages, especially for the first time traveller.
2)What JCesar was complaining about in his "roundabout" manner, is that with the A-I hotels taking over the majority of the tourist's activities, there is very little money going into the local economies. Puerto Plata is an example of this as many place have had to close because of a lack of business. From this board's reaction, I see that there is some aversion to the A-I and this is great.
3) Crime is not a major concern for the vast majority of tourists here. Pilferage and so forth is a given anywhere.Just be normally careful.
4) You have been give a lot of great advice---Take it! And have fun.

HB
 
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Roberto

Guest
I am very Sorry
this comments that the country are dengerouse
are not coming from the Resorts
because the resorts are all inclusive
and they want they clients to go out and splent money out
if you are in the country you know better then I who are making this type of comments and why

Thanks to have to guts to make this coment but you know wher ore who are making this coment
please the same guts to tell everyone the truth

Regards
Roberto
 
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Eddy

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Re: there are a couple of reasons, but not that.

Actually HB I think it was Club Med that started in Haiti several years ago. Anyway, it doesn't really matter we are stuck with it. I personally would never go on an all-inclusive. (Stood in line in basic trainning and at the academy) Never again. But lets face it, in several cases it's cheaper to travel A-I than flight only. I have heard of A-1 trips from Europe for US$700.00 2 weeks A-1. Heck it costs nearly that much air only to Canada or USA. Who makes the money ? Granted, in most cases the food is not first class, I've tried it. Certainly does not help the Dominican economy. If the Government would start charging the hotels the 21% or so on what the rooms at the walk in rate are (US$75.00 +) I think we would see major changes. Just an opinion.
 
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A Gringo in Puerto Plata

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They tell you "NOT" to leave the resort

I have been working in the resorts in Puerto Plata now for almost 12 years , and I can assure you that they ( the holiday reps.) Do in fact tell you NOT...to venture outside the gates for any reason what so ever.....FACT!...Reason they want to sell you >TOURS!....They call it an orientation morning, Horse Feathers..I tell people everyday to get outside the compound and go into town were you won't get ripped off with the tourist prices in here.
 
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Anette

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All inclusive.. All the answer I?ve got....

Hi!
This is Anette again. I want to thank everyone for all the respond on my question. That was nice...

I just want to say to them who tought that I writed this question to start a rumor.... It is not true!

The thing is that tomorrow, june 15, me and a friend of mine are taking our bags and are coming over to Dr, for living there. We are going to live in a non-inclusive hotel the first 2 weeks, before we get our own apartment. The reason why I asked this question is that, I dont know if it is jelousy (? how do I spell that?), but no-one seems to be happy for us. Everyone is warning us how bad it is, that all inclusive is there for protecting the touist ect. I know it is not true.. I love the island. And I have been living in so many countries so I can say that I am able to compere the safety, and Dr is not a bad place!!!!

I just wanted to hear your oppinients, and give me more advice how I in the best way, can make all the people who dislike the country and the idea of me and my friends moving there, to shut up! To open therie eyes and try to throw away their doubts.. That was the reason...

Thank you all of you for answering me (thanks Susanne:)!!!!) and hope I see you there soon (north side). Take care... Bye from Anette
 
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A. Nony Mouse

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Re: All inclusive.. History of...

Once upon a time, in 1989, the only DR resort that I can think of that was all inclusive was Jack Tarr Village on Playa Dorada. Jack Tarr Resorts have been all inclusive for more than 30 years.
My father visited one in the Bahamas at leat that long ago. Interestingly Jack Tarr is a US based (Texas) company. Other than Club Med (France) all inclusive was slow to catch on on this side of the Atlantic.

In 1989 UK and German charter flights started arriving in Puerto Plata. By 1990 the big tour operators were promising the resort owners huge numbers of tourists if they would offer all inclusive. Within a year, almost all the larger resorts were all inclusive. Food and local beverages are cheap here if bought in large quantities, so the resorts were able to make a profit.

As noted, the effect on the local economy was negative. Dozens of restaurants in resort areas were forced to close and their staff became unemployed. Taxi drivers lost out because tourists had no reason to leave the resort area. Gift shops in town lost out to the resort gift shops (almost invariably operated by the wife of one of the resort owners)

All inclusive is wonderfull for complacent, unadventurous people who are drunks or gluttons. If they travel off season and last minute, they can stuff themselves and get drunk all the time for less than the cost of staying home. If this describes you, by all means go AI!
 
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hillbilly

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A. Nony Mouse is right about Jack Tar..

They were the first ones here, and the conclusions are surly in line with later events.
I have heard of packages from Birmingham for less than $300 for two weeks A-I! they guys tooks the flight at the last possible minute and they got that price. since the Airline hates empty seats, they will put up fantastic deals for last second travellers.
Same thing from Spain and Holland and Canada.

You can fly Toronto->POP for less than MIA->POP if you are able to fly on the spur of the moment...

Cool thread....
 
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Phil

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Re: All inclusive.. History of...

you are being a little harsh, I have had a great time and met some wonderful people in the past in AI resorts .... It all depends in what kind of holiday you want.
 
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Wade

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Re: there are a couple of reasons, but not that.

I don't know why it wouldn't help the economy. Don't these all-inclusives hire a lot of people? Don't the independent tour operators get a lot more customers from them? Aren't there a lot more people from around the world now able to afford to go to places like DR?

You don't like all-inclusives go to Bermuda or Canary Islands and see how far your dollar goes.

I'm like most people, I can't live the life of the "Rich and Famous".
 
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charlyloco

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Re: All inclusive.. All the answer I?ve got....

hola Anette,
that souns allright for me......so
Good luck to you and your friend!!! Succes & health for the future to*LOL*
cu/charlyloco
 
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Duck

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Re: All inclusive.. History of...

The glottonous part may be a bit harsh (although very often very true), but the unadventureous hits the nail on the head.