Why do most Dominicans blindly prefer Hillary over Obama?

[Ricardo900]

Just in!

Obama just won big in Virginia. He captured 55% of the Latino vote. So it appears that there is a significant percentage of Latinos looking his way. Also, it appears that White Males are putting their votes behind Obama.

Does anyone think that the so-called "Latinos won't vote for Blacks" is possibly a ploy to not only rally and unify Blacks toward Obama but other races as some form of protest vote. I don't see how that rumor helps the Clinton administration. It could be a bunch of political mumbo jumbo by powers that be who know how to manipulate a vote.

I remember the NYC mayoral election when Fernando Ferrer was running to become the first Hispanic mayor of NYC against Mark Green and Ferrer just received the endorsement of Rev. Al Sharpton. The winner of the democratic primary would run against Bloomberg, who at that time was considered a long shot, NYC is technically a democratic town.

Now, someone in the Green camp decided to leave many recorded-message phone calls to white ZIP codes in Queens, Staten Island and Brooklyn asserting that Sharpton would be named the police commissioner if Ferrer won and for them to run to the polls and stop Ferrer/Sharpton "Don't give Sharpton the Keys to the City!" That pi$$ed off the latinos, being felt that Ferrer lost because of dirty Green tactics and a large number of Democratic Blacks and Democratic Latinos voted REPUBLICAN!!! A protest vote.

 

[asopao]

(I was seeing humor in this racially-charged thread.)

The fun has just begun: a woman and a black are coming to Texas. This is huge!!!

Obama is not Black! He is a Mulatto! Stop the One-droppist bandwagon! You are Dominican, right? you should know better :tired:

Have you seen pictures of his mother? she was whiter than virgin snow, and his father was blacker than..Pe?a Gomez.

Obama releases pictures from his family album as he rides the Super Tuesday wave | the Daily Mail

Obama says that he is just " African American" for political purposes, vowing to the retarded One-Drop ideology of the U.S. Because if he says that he is " mix-raced" or even " worse", " Mulatto", then there would be an uproar.

 

[A.Hidalgo]

Obama is bowing to no one. He is quiet comfortable with his skin. The fact that he identifies himself as an African American does not seem to bother most people in America. A testament to that is the large percentages he is garnering from African Americans voters. And the white votes, well look at the voting percentages from white men in Virginia of all places. Seems to me quite a lot of people are comfortable with who he is.

Obama has never denied he was mixed. He wrote about it in his books and just like the article you linked its all out there for us to see. Will people make a fuss about it, doubt it. Btw unlike Latin America in the US the word mulatto is rarely used anymore, if you are mixed its more likely you would be called biracial. We must remember that in America the word mulatto was used in a derogatory fashion.


sorry for going off topic

 

[El sabelot?]

Obama is not Black! He is a Mulatto! Stop the One-droppist bandwagon! You are Dominican, right? you should know better :tired:

Have you seen pictures of his mother? she was whiter than virgin snow, and his father was blacker than..Pe?a Gomez.

Obama releases pictures from his family album as he rides the Super Tuesday wave | the Daily Mail

Obama says that he is just " African American" for political purposes, vowing to the retarded One-Drop ideology of the U.S. Because if he says that he is " mix-raced" or even " worse", " Mulatto", then there would be an uproar.

Yes, I'm Dominican, but if you knew how long it took me to compose that sentence, you would think I was some kind of literary genius, in the mold of William Carlos Williams. I wrote it and re-wrote it several times and, after three much-needed breaks, I had it down to an art. How can you dismiss it so casually?

But I stand corrected: he's not black. You'll have a harder time convincing him that who he says he is is not accurate.

By the way, why should a Dominican "know better" than to call someone 'black'? Oh, I get it: Obama is a morenito cepillao or, better yet, an indiesito claro. Dominican enough for you?

 

[Chirimoya]

Chip, apologies if you took it to be directed at you - it wasn't - I was thinking of 'analysis' I've seen in other places (forums, blogs) that boil it down to that.

Let me clarify my intent, I didn't intend to say that everyone who votes their color is a racist, rather that it is a sign of a racially divided culture - where one feels some sort of obligation to vote for someone of their same race as opposed to voting for someone based on their agenda or character.

 

[asopao]

By the way, why should a Dominican "know better" than to call someone 'black'? Oh, I get it: Obama is a morenito cepillao or, better yet, an indiesito claro. Dominican enough for you?

I meant that a Dominican with REAL RACIAL knowledge about DR, would call Obama by " Mulatto". I've NEVER, NEVER have called Mulattoes in DR by " indiecito" and the rest of retarded Trujillist/Balaguer brainwashing BS! The world " indio" in totally out of my vocabulary when referring to Dominican population, what you think? that I'm going to embarass myself saying that to Mexicans,Bolivians, etc? In Europe?

I know much much better than that. So if you don't know me, please don't judge, there is a word for that,is called " prejudice" , you know. :tired:

 

[asopao]

Obama has never denied he was mixed. He wrote about it in his books and just like the article you linked its all out there for us to see. Will people make a fuss about it, doubt it. Btw unlike Latin America in the US the word mulatto is rarely used anymore, if you are mixed its more likely you would be called biracial. We must remember that in America the word mulatto was used in a derogatory fashion.


sorry for going off topic

I know that Dude, the AA population knows that Obama's mother was White, but most DO have an issue if he referst to himself as " BIRACIAL, OR MIXED" . They self impose One-dropism to themselves, because they have adopted the myth as " unity". The media is always referring to him as " BLack, African American", like if he were Michael Jordan or Wesley Snipes,and Obama just stays quiet about it.

Whites really don't have an issue if he calls himself biracial,or mixed all the time. Is the AA that would make a fuss about it. They would see that as a " betrayal", and then call him " an oreo cookie" and other derrogatory insults. Because , you know, if you " look" Black, then you're just " Black".:tired:

 

[El sabelot?]

I meant that a Dominican with REAL RACIAL knowledge about DR, would call Obama by " Mulatto". I've NEVER, NEVER have called Mulattoes in DR by " indiecito" and the rest of retarded Trujillist/Balaguer brainwashing BS! The world " indio" in totally out of my vocabulary when referring to Dominican population, what you think? that I'm going to embarass myself saying that to Mexicans,Bolivians, etc? In Europe?

I know much much better than that. So if you don't know me, please don't judge, there is a word for that,is called " prejudice" , you know. :tired:

You have no problem judging me, but the difference is that I'm inmune to it. (By the way, call me anything, except 'Juan' - it's a boring name.) And you seem to have a problem with Obama being called 'black.' I used indiecito to satisfy your thirst for Dominicanismo when you said I should "know better."

-Joseito
Con to' lo golpe: prieto, pobre, viejo, flaco, y feo (morenito cepillao would suffice)

 

[gemenilaidback]

The thing is race has been put aside since day one in his presidential nomination race. Obama is seen as a candidate by most Americas. black Americans from the south didnt care for Obama until he was supported by Oprah Winfrey as validating his blackness to them because they like all others see him as mulatto. blacks were going for Clinton due to Bill Clinton being viewed as black. That was until Bill made some comments about "really are you really going to vote for this guy I mean can he really win" In south carolina (many took as being about Obam's race???Who knows??). This was where Senator Kennedy told Bill Clinton to stop, and then endorsed Obama. Afterwards and after getting Oprah's endorsement then Obama started to get the Black vote. I went to an Obama rally in N Carolina. only 25% of the crowd was black on a historically Black University that was 90% black. What does that tell you . He had wins in Alaska ,Washington,Wisconsin, etc...these are majority whites states, which Obama has alot of support in if not there is no way he could have obtained these victories.
The nomination is really about issues to Democrats and the stopping of the Iraq war, the economy in ruins in recession, and healthcare.
Obama has never ran a black campaign like Jesse Jackson in the 80's which would have never gotten him any votes except form African Americans.

Many Dominicans are now with Obama I talk to due to the knowledge of his campaign now . Before I dont think many people of ANY race knew about what he stood for. I am a Dominican American myself and consider Obama mullatto as most Americans do.(I am not appllying the Trujillo/Balguer vaina)

Hillary is also looked at by Democrats as supporting big business, and against universal healthcare, immigration (deportation with out due process??), and was a board member of Wallmart at one time as Obama shot her down in one debate. this is why many people support Obama. Ironically many African American single and gay women support Hillary. The reason for why they support her is she is a woman, issues on abortion,many are single mothers, also many don't have positive views of Black ,Latino, or men in general. This is about the feminist vote which is another reason why many of my white male friends have always supported Obama and would never vote for Mccain believeng him to be one to perpetuate the War in Iraq,cuts in education, no healthcare reform, and immigration changes (including the wall border to Mexico,and deportation without due process,) also no gun control. I dont know alot of racist people...so I dont know but form what people have discussed in my graduate school this is what is spoken by Blacks, Whites, Latinos (like myself), and even Asians.
also the age difference of any race is very important. Many parents including mine wanted to vote for Hillary Initially ...then my father changed to vote for Obama...my mother wants Obama but isnt opposed to Hillary. Younger people and I am only speaking of college students around my enviroment (being in graduate school) overwhelmingly support Obama. Uneducated blacks I see especially many women support Clinton (due to believing Bill is their black President???) (except the majority African American educated women in my classes).

Race is not the dominant issue, class,education,age, sex, and issues come before race...and as MSNBC correspondents have said the rulebook has been thrown out the window in this election. I am watching these developments in a University in the USA in the south. Many hardcore republicans will vote for a republican and if Condoleeza Rice were running they would vote for her also, many also say they wish they could Vote for Colin Powell, this is straight from thier mouths.

Also advertising varies in different states in some states they show Obama as is I guess for AA voters but in the Northwest they would show him with his white parent and grandparents like an ad I saw from Wisconsin. He is very well prepared and educated and has the money to run a successful campaign also he has 8 years as a senator as Hillary. also just because you are someones spouse in office doesn't add years to your resume to say you have more experience. They actually have about the same and if you are going by public service Obama has her beat by a long shot. I always do my research before I go blindly voting for any candidate. also I remember how Hillary dropped the healthcare plan when she was first lady after receiving large sums of money from a lobbing group and she never mentioned it again.

 

[gemenilaidback]

?It?s not an accident that he has, I think, according to National Journal, the most liberal voting record in the United States Senate,? he said. ?I have one of the most conservative.?

This is a statement given to reporters from MCcain today. This is what the big battle is going to be about like I said before conservatism vs liberalism. the press on both sides are going to try to rip both sides as much as they can and race is going to be thrown out of the window for Mccain vs. Obama. Mccain wants the war and Obama is against it this will shape foreign policy for years to come and has everything to do with this election. Anyone who just blindly goes for Hillary or even Obama is just uneducated! In my opinion America financially can not sustain this war period.

 

[A.Hidalgo]

He is very well prepared and educated and has the money to run a successful campaign also he has 8 years as a senator as Hillary.

He was elected to the U.S. Senate in November 2004 and assumed office January 2, 2005...do the math.

also I remember how Hillary dropped the healthcare plan when she was first lady after receiving large sums of money from a lobbing group and she never mentioned it again.

Can you please give us some sources for this allegation....

 

[bob saunders]

Actually if you research the matter Hillary has a long consistent record on Health Care, where as Obama has not committed on universal Health Care. I'm not American but I would have voted for Edwards before either of those two. I believe many people voting for Obama are voting for style over substance, and as Dominicans this should be a no brainer because they are used to doing that.

 

[gemenilaidback]

Oh we want to talk specifics..well considering that First Lady is not a political office its not sorry, has no . Lets do the math and add up experience as he has been a Illinois State senator since 1997, then Obama was a Illinois Junior Senator of the United States since 2005. You do the math she assumed office in 2001 for the state of NY. Now you do the math....seems Obama has her beat if you don't count being the spouse of the person in office of the presidency. Also Obama went to Harvard Law school and Columbia. she went to Yale law school but to Wellesley College.

She did have a nice fashion shoot in vogue in 1999 due to her "nice, classy, conservative," fashion sense when she was first lady.:squareeye

I don't have the time to write the allegations from the lobby group its public knowledge. One way you can consume it where most people did is watching the movie sicko where even Edwards accepted money from a lobbyist also (and he didnt refuse possibly being Obama's vice prez). Lets just say she even admitted herself in her book and in interviews that inexperience was why she didn't get any national healthcare initiative passed....people still call it "Hillarycare" as a jest.

 

[bob saunders]

It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company?s shares. Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.
None of them are clean

 

[gemenilaidback]

By the way African American is a political term in this country according to the one drop rule. Most African Americans didn't even think he was Black, the last thing they wanted to do at first was vote for him. Now he has one the Latino vote in
vote in 5 states (CT, VA, MD, IL IA).

Barack Obama has won 21 of those elections while Senator Clinton has won 8 with New Mexico still undetermined. In total, there have been 34 elections and Senator Obama has won 23, winning more than two out of every three contests. Obama is also ahead in the popular vote by 52-48%. He has appealed to every race including both sexes.

 

[gemenilaidback]

Whatever do can you prove and of the allegations against Obama from a credible source?? Have you ever heard of Whitewater and Travelgate. These allegations are in every credible newspaper in the United states.

 

[johne]

By the way African American is a political term in this country according to the one drop rule. Most African Americans didn't even think he was Black, the last thing they wanted to do at first was vote for him. Now he has one the Latino vote in
vote in 5 states (CT, VA, MD, IL IA).

Barack Obama has won 21 of those elections while Senator Clinton has won 8 with New Mexico still undetermined. In total, there have been 34 elections and Senator Obama has won 23, winning more than two out of every three contests. Obama is also ahead in the popular vote by 52-48%. He has appealed to every race including both sexes.

Within the DEMOCRATIC party. In another month or so this will be old news (Hillary vs, etc) and then we will have a real discussion as to how appealing he might be to the U.S. population. Funny things happen behind that closed curtain of the voting booth as opposed what what people say in public.

 

[El sabelot?]

Actually if you research the matter Hillary has a long consistent record on Health Care, where as Obama has not committed on universal Health Care. I'm not American but I would have voted for Edwards before either of those two. I believe many people voting for Obama are voting for style over substance, and as Dominicans this should be a no brainer because they are used to doing that.

And then you have the poster remind us which colleges Obama attended, as if that actually matters. GWB went to Yale for his undergrad, then on to Harvard for his MBA, and the rest is history.

So, school choice is a non-issue and, as bob already said: style over substance.

By the way, Harvard may have the huge endowment and name recognition, but insiders prefer Yale Law over HLS, even with its cadre of Constitutional scholars and luminaries like Tribe and Dershowitz.

A clich?, I know, but back to the drawing board, gemenilaidback.

 

[Chip]

Whatever do can you prove and of the allegations against Obama from a credible source?? Have you ever heard of Whitewater and Travelgate. These allegations are in every credible newspaper in the United states.

Why is this any different for people asking you for references about H Clinton taking campaign funds? Heck, I don't even like Clinton but the way you go about posting seems arrogant - refusing to answer people questions about the crediblity of allegations and then demanding people back up the allegations they are making! Ever heard of the pot calling the kettle black - ese es el burro llamando al conejo, oreju!

 

[A.Hidalgo]

Oh we want to talk specifics..well considering that First Lady is not a political office its not sorry, has no . Lets do the math and add up experience as he has been a Illinois State senator since 1997, then Obama was a Illinois Junior Senator of the United States since 2005. You do the math she assumed office in 2001 for the state of NY. Now you do the math....seems Obama has her beat if you don't count being the spouse of the person in office of the presidency. Also Obama went to Harvard Law school and Columbia. she went to Yale law school but to Wellesley College.

She did have a nice fashion shoot in vogue in 1999 due to her "nice, classy, conservative," fashion sense when she was first lady.:squareeye

I don't have the time to write the allegations from the lobby group its public knowledge. One way you can consume it where most people did is watching the movie sicko where even Edwards accepted money from a lobbyist also (and he didnt refuse possibly being Obama's vice prez). Lets just say she even admitted herself in her book and in interviews that inexperience was why she didn't get any national healthcare initiative passed....people still call it "Hillarycare" as a jest.

I feel like I'm back in grammar school. If you are going to count from the time Obama was a state senator from 1997 on, the math still does not jive with the 8 years you wrote. Anyway you are aware that a state senator and a US senator are two different animals. Be that as it may,I am happy to see American-Dominicans analyzing the electorate to make an educated choice. Btw did you say you are in a graduate school in the south....