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duhtree said:
It sounds like a condo complex or neighborhood of approx. 200 homes/apts with an upfront cost of 40-50 thousand could be " free " from the grid. And, thus, independent from the woes of power outages that plague the country. Certainly seems as though the costs would be easily recaptured over a short time frame. Is this so? Or am I missing something? John
Wind turbines have been powering 1000s of homes for many years now.
A good wind site is the secret. Needless to say that downtown SD is
not the proper site for such turbines. Try visiting the official website
of Danish windmills. The info listed is worth the time... Georgios.
 

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Keith R said:
This thread is skating dangerously close to being an unpaid ad. I'm considering closing it.

The Environment Forum Moderator
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Only trying to make life better in the DR. When this product is ready for
marketing this will become a paid ad on the DR1. Hope I get a good rate.
Thanks for allowing me to post this thread...Georgios.
 

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Why do i get shivers up my spine when someone says 100% reliable?

I have yet to own a machine that hasn't blown up. Except my toyota pickup.... oh well.
 

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Robert

please let it play out.

Other than the dubious pricing it has potential. No joke intended.

A French company is building a multi-passenger car that was able to travel ~100 miles on compressed air. http://www.howstuffworks.com/news-item106.htm

The air pressure was closer to 5K psi, most likely because of the size necessary to fit in a smaller package. Those types of mechanics are much more expensive today. (No market). Hopefully there will be one when we become a hydrogen economy.

georgios' idea could allow for larger containment vessel therefore lower pressures. If he could point me toward an ?engine? that would convert the compressed gas to mechanical motion to drive a generator I would be convinced.

I would rather see his ?turbine? used in electrolysis and produce hydrogen, but that is ?tomorrow?.
 

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http://www.theaircar.com/howitworks.html

Ahhh google.

If the whole car cost $10K USD then the engine should be in the $2K region.

Very plausible.
 

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gmiller261 said:
please let it play out.

Other than the dubious pricing it has potential. No joke intended.

A French company is building a multi-passenger car that was able to travel ~100 miles on compressed air. http://www.howstuffworks.com/news-item106.htm

The air pressure was closer to 5K psi, most likely because of the size necessary to fit in a smaller package. Those types of mechanics are much more expensive today. (No market). Hopefully there will be one when we become a hydrogen economy.

georgios' idea could allow for larger containment vessel therefore lower pressures. If he could point me toward an ?engine? that would convert the compressed gas to mechanical motion to drive a generator I would be convinced.

I would rather see his ?turbine? used in electrolysis and produce hydrogen, but that is ?tomorrow?.


Robert is not the moderator of the Environment Forum, I am. Although as the Big Boss, he is free to intervene at any time. In fact, I am surprised he did not do so before now, since his trigger finger is sometimes itchier than mine.

I think I have been quite relaxed so far about letting this thread "play out" -- I am just warning against it becoming one extended marketing effort. So far, in my judgment, it hasn't -- but it seemed like it might be headed there, hence the prior post.

Keith R
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georgios

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veinard said:
Hi,
thanks a lot for these very frank information many people might be interested in ... frankly spoken the only doubt, concern I still have, how this stuff of air storage vessel should work as a suitable mean to "store" energy ... but ok, I am not expert enough in order to give myself a reasonable judgment. Any further clarification regarding that point would surely help many other readers of that thread as well. Is this possible ?! And still my question, whether such a suggested system might also suitable for a SME's energy needs ?!

Benny
An air storage vessel is a tank filled with compressed air, just like a propane
tank is filled with compressed propane. Of course, the size of this vessel is
propably 300 times bigger than a propane tank and approx 10 times more
in pressure. Usually a propane tank is pressurized about 150 psi where the
air vessel pressure is elevated to 1550 psi.
This high pressure allows for high volume of compressed air to be stored.
Air motors use compressed air to run at approx 90 psi. An example of an air motor is the air gun used by car mechanics to remove the wheels of a car.
A similar air motor (but bigger) will, when coupled, turn a generator motor
at 1800 RPM to produce electricity. A couple of clarifications;
a. RPM means rotations per minute
b. psi means pounds per square inch

Surerly, a larger air vessel can provide power for SME's. Example.
Since 1971 in Germany, An old coal mine is used to store a VAST amount
of compressed airto be used at high peak hours to satisfy high demand
of electricity. Its a great idea. The americans are now following suit.
A similar project is underway somewhere in Ohio. In case of a black-out this
facility can run the state of Ohio for several hours.

Hope to answer your questions...regards Georgios.
 

georgios

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sjh said:
Why do i get shivers up my spine when someone says 100% reliable?

I have yet to own a machine that hasn't blown up. Except my toyota pickup.... oh well.

100% reliable is wrong. I stand corrected...thanks. I should say then 99%
reliable...you never know but for sure more reliable than a toyota anyway.
Why I say that? Because I happen to drive a Mercedes which is also 99%
reliable IF maintained on time, every time...Georgios.
 

sjh

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didnt mean to be cynical with the 100% remark....

I actually think it is a great idea, but what is the efficency? and how does that compare to battery bank storage...

also why the extremely high pressure requiring a 2 stage compressor? why not just build a larger cheaper tank?

I have almost no airmotor experience but the ones i have seen are very noisy.
 

georgios

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221 said:

Hi 221,
I read the article on the above website, thanks. I also read a lot of if's
and but's which add-up to a lot of speculation. What is this guy saying
is not proven and not even noticed yet by others.
The facts are;
1. Burning coal, oil, natural gas etc is proven to hurt the environment due
to emmisions.
2. Nuclear power plants are not safe either. It is proven that a fair amount
of nuclear waste is dumped "somewhere" and takes 250 years to deactivate,
not to mention meltdown accidents like Chernobil.

Conventional ways (items 1,2) are PROVEN to harm the enviroment. Wind
turbines still provide clean energy without all the stuff you see listed above.

Care to comment? Regards...Georgios.
 

georgios

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veinard said:
Hi,
thanks a lot for your answers which give at least to me a clearer picture. However as far as I am able to correctly judge this offer, I guess that it might be a very good solution for some let's say particular cases as described in your outlines ... but it won't help that much to have an entire solution in place to satisfy the appetite for energy all over the world. From my point of view, it will be a good add on regarding the entire energy mix and an adequate response to the demand for energy by using renewable energies ... still that solution is not yet found or at least ready to get implemented once fossil energy sources such as oil will be used up in the near future.

Benny
Hello Benny,
Everybody knows fossil fuels are running out. The fact that demand for
power and energy has doubled will make fossil fuels run out even faster.

If by the year 2040 renewable energies are below 30% of the world demand,
we are in deep trouble. Nearly all the industrial countries have research
programs in place to explore and exploite alternative energy sources. They
know the problem but few are willing to tell us.

Lets hope it wont come to that...Georgios.
 

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Wind power

I currently live in England and I have a house in Sosua North Coast.
I am heavily invloved in wind power in England and i am shipping my generator out to the DR for tests with my Invertor.I have loads of data on average wind velocities.I would be interested in exchanging information.
 

georgios

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Steve Allen said:
I currently live in England and I have a house in Sosua North Coast.
I am heavily invloved in wind power in England and i am shipping my generator out to the DR for tests with my Invertor.I have loads of data on average wind velocities.I would be interested in exchanging information.

Hello Steve Allen,
I am flying into Puerto plata on monday Nov 15, 2004. Sounds like a meeting
between us may prove usefull for both. Please PM me your cell #. I will
call you when I get there...Georgios.
 

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georgios said:
I currently live in toronto
I plan to move and set-up shop on the north coast.
My new wind turbine design is rated at 10kw, stand alone+battery charging
availability. Special mesh to prevent bird killing provided. Good wind site
essential. Facing north, northeast into the ocean is ideal. I performed
numerous testing at cabarete, sosua and playa grande with favorable
results and good wind speed. Hill tops also suitable.
I like to hear from DR residents any comments about the power solution
using wind power. Thank you.

Hi Geogios,

I live in the Playa Grande, Cabrera region at about 700 feet elevation off the coast. I?ve been monitoring the wind speeds for over two years. My average annual wind speed is around 6.5 M.P.H. I presently produce all my power with a 24.5 Kw generator, two 3.6 kw inverters, 32 batteries and a few solar panels.
I would be interested in some info on your wind turbine. Do you have a web-site? Is the 10 kw the only size available?

For myself I would prefer a series of small turbines over one large one.
1) Easier installation, size of tower and weight of turbine. Can be raised and
brought down without using a crane or heavy machinery.

2) Capability to take one off line if it needs to be repaired without disrupting
all your energy production.

3) A smaller turbine usually produces less of a fluttering effect. The further
the turbine is from your loads or house the greater the loss of energy and
the higher the cost of wiring.


Looking forward to knowing more about the characteristics of your wind turbine,
Richard J
 

georgios

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Richard J said:
Hi Geogios,

I live in the Playa Grande, Cabrera region at about 700 feet elevation off the coast. I?ve been monitoring the wind speeds for over two years. My average annual wind speed is around 6.5 M.P.H. I presently produce all my power with a 24.5 Kw generator, two 3.6 kw inverters, 32 batteries and a few solar panels.
I would be interested in some info on your wind turbine. Do you have a web-site? Is the 10 kw the only size available?

For myself I would prefer a series of small turbines over one large one.
1) Easier installation, size of tower and weight of turbine. Can be raised and
brought down without using a crane or heavy machinery.

2) Capability to take one off line if it needs to be repaired without disrupting
all your energy production.

3) A smaller turbine usually produces less of a fluttering effect. The further
the turbine is from your loads or house the greater the loss of energy and
the higher the cost of wiring.


Looking forward to knowing more about the characteristics of your wind turbine,
Richard J

Hi Richard,

I know the Playa grande area well. I play golf there everytime I visit the DR.
The area has a wind class 4, which is a "good" wind sourse.
A very important factor is inspecting your "wind site". Visit:

www.windpower.dk/core.htm

click turbine sitting. Read all pages. This editorial will help you to decide
if a wind turbine is SUITABLE for your location.

Using multiple smaller turbines results in:
1. More wear & tear
2. More towers
3. More wires, transfer switches & misc connections.
4. More noise. Small rotors spin faster=increased fluttering!
5. Higher cost for overall kw production.
6. Aesthetically, your home will look like...well you know.
For small turbines "bergey" is the best. I located a few authorized
distributors in Santiago, DR. Go to www.bergey.com, click world distribution
and zoom into DR.
I suggest buying only the turbine. Given your elevation at 700 feet,
you can install a pivoting tubular metal tower approx 30 feet high. This tower
can be custom made locally having the "hinged" point 10 feet above
ground. Fix a counter weight at the bottom for easier erection. The reasons for this type of tower are:
1. Protect the turbine from hurricanes.
2. Easier inspection of components, lubrication and general maintenance.
3. Bring turbine to the ground when travelling abroad.
4. Replace rusting support wires.

My turbine design is based on large blades with slow rotation but high
torque. This design is less noisy, gives longer bearing life, is hurricane
proof and produces power even under a light breeze. Permanent magnet
generator is used with special design for low inertia-high efficiency.

Due to patent procedure, more info is not yet available, sorry.
Basically, three(3) models are tested:
a. 1kw for battery charging.
b. 10kw for stand alone.
c. 100kw for resorts.

Investing in windpower can be confusing and costly. Look at all products
out there before deciding how to go about it...Georgios.
 

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Up in the foothills north of Azua, where I live, wind conditions seem to be similar to those described by Richard. I've always felt my location is prime for a wind generation system. Georgios, please give me a ballpark estimate when considering a 1K, 10K system.

Mirador