Xenophobia in Monte Cristi

[iluvdr]

Dominicans treat Haitians the same way poor foriengers are treated in any country,when many times they are there illegally,(e.g , Hispanics in the u.s.a ,Dominicans in PR,Colombians and Ecuadorians in Venezuela,Peruvians and Bolivians in Argentina,other asians in Japan),If you know so much about Hispaniolas history you would know why Dominicans think of Haitians the way they do,You would know the prices the Dominican people have paid (in every aspect)from being neighbor to a country like Haiti .This is including the bloodshed,backstabbing,torture,and abuse our ancestors expierienced in dealing witrh the Haitians.You would also know why we celebrate our independance from Haiti(most people on this forum know)As for our ancesters, they are rolling in thier graves , but only becuase of the horrible job Dominicans have done out of keepin haitians out of the country,protecting the border,and protecting our sovereignty,(which is something they gave thier lives for ,fighting against you know who).Dominicans in Pr should be deported,no arguement on that.As for Trujillo,he was sooooo ashamed of his Haitian ancestry that he went as far as to deny it and claim French ancesty and massacre 20,000 of them .Obviously ,anti-Haitian feelings are nothing new,they've been there for centuries .The animosity has always been there and will always be there .Dr is not like Haiti for many more reasons other than tourism.If you knew so much about both countries you would know better.Haiti is the result of the Haitian people ,no one else is to blame.

Just one word for this post: ?DISGUSTING!?
Ignorance is the fuel to many wars...Please educate yourself before posting such hatred literature. You are only spreading a bunch of lies that have been fed to you by the people witch support this kind of Xenophobia. The truth is that Trujillo was a begat very much like Hitler (witch rumors claim his ancestry was Jewish) my advice to you is to keep your mouth shot...You can't began to imagine the consequences of this kind of thinking. Once again, I can't stretch enough: Haitians are by nature very peaceful people, that is why they have suffered under so many dictators, but if you push them too far, they can become monsters. Dominicans are in no way ready to handle the kind of violence that can irrupt if this situation is not contained. I sincerely believe that most Dominicans are good people, who believe in loving and helping there fellow man, unfortunately there the few who give the majority a bad rap.The way I see haitians threated in the DR, I would not wish this upon any human race! but then again maybe this is what Haiti needs to be once again reunited '... a common ennemy" !

 

[Pana]

Dominicans treat Haitians the same way poor foriengers are treated in any country,when many times they are there illegally,(e.g , Hispanics in the u.s.a ,Dominicans in PR,Colombians and Ecuadorians in Venezuela,Peruvians and Bolivians in Argentina,other asians in Japan),If you know so much about Hispaniolas history you would know why Dominicans think of Haitians the way they do,You would know the prices the Dominican people have paid (in every aspect)from being neighbor to a country like Haiti .This is including the bloodshed,backstabbing,torture,and abuse our ancestors expierienced in dealing witrh the Haitians.You would also know why we celebrate our independance from Haiti(most people on this forum know)As for our ancesters, they are rolling in thier graves , but only becuase of the horrible job Dominicans have done out of keepin haitians out of the country,protecting the border,and protecting our sovereignty,(which is something they gave thier lives for ,fighting against you know who).Dominicans in Pr should be deported,no arguement on that.As for Trujillo,he was sooooo ashamed of his Haitian ancestry that he went as far as to deny it and claim French ancesty and massacre 20,000 of them .Obviously ,anti-Haitian feelings are nothing new,they've been there for centuries .The animosity has always been there and will always be there .Dr is not like Haiti for many more reasons other than tourism.If you knew so much about both countries you would know better.Haiti is the result of the Haitian people ,no one else is to blame.

Honestly I could give two s***** about Haiti, but what your telling me is that two wrongs make right :cross-eye on how us as people treat each other. I know that the animosity has been there but you dont get the big picture on why it is like that and cut that bull s**** about the Haitians oppressing the Dominicans back in the days you believe that :tired: open your eyes DR history is as distorted as American History and if you know any thing about American History than you know what I mean there are two sides to every story and the losers dont write them. I love the DR and I will continue to visit my family and friends down there my view on Hispanola as a whole is as an other sider Im neither Dominican or Haitian, but I have studied about both nations and I know and understand why things are the way they are down there. I have visited many parts in DR that many Dominicans have not been to that live there and the ones here in the US, on Haiti thats another story I have never been there or have the desire to go there with all the problems they have down there.

 

[DRsScarface]

You don't want to go to Haiti. I have heard about some of the everyday crazy stuff that happens there in Port au Prince from Haitians themselves. I myself might just be crazy enough to take a trip there one day.

 

[Pana]

You don't want to go to Haiti. I have heard about some of the everyday crazy stuff that happens there in Port au Prince from Haitians themselves. I myself might just be crazy enough to take a trip there one day.

Did you not read what I said "I have no disire to go to Haiti" keep in mind I was in the Marines and I wouldnt go there unless I had an M-16 and a platoon with me.

 

[FuegoAzul21]

Just one word for this post: ?DISGUSTING!?
Ignorance is the fuel to many wars...Please educate yourself before posting such hatred literature. You are only spreading a bunch of lies that have been fed to you by the people witch support this kind of Xenophobia. The truth is that Trujillo was a begat very much like Hitler (witch rumors claim his ancestry was Jewish) my advice to you is to keep your mouth shot...You can't began to imagine the consequences of this kind of thinking. Once again, I can't stretch enough: Haitians are by nature very peaceful people, that is why they have suffered under so many dictators, but if you push them too far, they can become monsters. Dominicans are in no way ready to handle the kind of violence that can irrupt if this situation is not contained. I sincerely believe that most Dominicans are good people, who believe in loving and helping there fellow man, unfortunately there the few who give the majority a bad rap.The way I see haitians threated in the DR, I would not wish this upon any human race! but then again maybe this is what Haiti needs to be once again reunited '... a common ennemy" !

First,I say whatever i feel like saying when it deals with people offending my people and not knowing our side of the story,if it offends some(its not my intention) then there is nothing i can do.Second , if you honestly beleive that Haitians can defeat us again(militarywise) ,then i so suggest you do some homework and analyze what the status quo back then was and what it is now,we are alot stronger and larger than haiti is , we have more resources and we are more organized, we would defeat them so much worse than we did in 1844 and 1855(when we were still very weak compered to them) .Back in those days DR was a weak little colony with very little inhabitants,resources,military expierience,and unity ,as oppose to haiti who had 4 times more of anything DR had.This is not the case anymore,so a Haitian military invasion is that last thing i fear.Third ,there were no lies in my post ,if your gonna tell me that the Dominican people never suffered under the Haitians ,then you are the one that should do a little more reading and research on the topic ,becuase its obvious that YOU know little about it.I get my info not only from Dominican sources , but from Haitian ,American , and International sources,So its well written what Dominicans have been through.There is a book written by an American named Samuel Hazard called "Santo Domingo, past and present,: With a glance at Hayti" written in the 1870's ,he gives a very unbiased(probably the most unbiased in can get) and realistic veiw of Drs history and state at the time.He was sent to the Dr to learn more about the country to show the U.S congress what the situation in DR was, which was in the process of being annexed by the U.S.A.

 

[iluvdr]

First,I say whatever i feel like saying when it deals with people offending my people and not knowing our side of the story,if it offends some(its not my intention) then there is nothing i can do.Second , if you honestly beleive that Haitians can defeat us again(militarywise) ,then i so suggest you do some homework and analyze what the status quo back then was and what it is now,we are alot stronger and larger than haiti is , we have more resources and we are more organized, we would defeat them so much worse than we did in 1844 and 1855(when we were still very weak compered to them) .Back in those days DR was a weak little colony with very little inhabitants,resources,military expierience,and unity ,as oppose to haiti who had 4 times more of anything DR had.This is not the case anymore,so a Haitian military invasion is that last thing i fear.Third ,there were no lies in my post ,if your gonna tell me that the Dominican people never suffered under the Haitians ,then you are the one that should do a little more reading and research on the topic ,becuase its obvious that YOU know little about it.I get my info not only from Dominican sources , but from Haitian ,American , and International sources,So its well written what Dominicans have been through.There is a book written by an American named Samuel Hazard called "Santo Domingo, past and present,: With a glance at Hayti" written in the 1870's ,he gives a very unbiased(probably the most unbiased in can get) and realistic veiw of Drs history and state at the time.He was sent to the Dr to learn more about the country to show the U.S congress what the situation in DR was, which was in the process of being annexed by the U.S.A.

Wrong Again!!!
Have you seen Afghanistan defeat the Soviet Union, remember Vietnam? Military force means nothing here; never underestimate people fighting a desperate cause against mercenaries. Besides, you would be surprise how many of your Dominican friends are actually Haitians or from Haitians heritage!
The only war you are sure to win is the one?s you don?t fight!
By the way, President Boyer at the time of the insurrection in the east side of the island (today DR) declined to send his troops to smash the rebels, because the Dominicans used a ruse and had him convinced that Henri Christophe was preparing a coup and that the insurrection was just meant to divert his attention... the east side declared itself independent and became Santo Domingo. They later called in Spain and begged them to colonize them and protect them against Haiti. You can research all this in Spanish literature if you care to.

 

[Pana]

I have to second that your wrong once again!!!!!

First,I say whatever i feel like saying when it deals with people offending my people and not knowing our side of the story,if it offends some(its not my intention) then there is nothing i can do.Second , if you honestly beleive that Haitians can defeat us again(militarywise) ,then i so suggest you do some homework and analyze what the status quo back then was and what it is now,we are alot stronger and larger than haiti is , we have more resources and we are more organized, we would defeat them so much worse than we did in 1844 and 1855(when we were still very weak compered to them) .Back in those days DR was a weak little colony with very little inhabitants,resources,military expierience,and unity ,as oppose to haiti who had 4 times more of anything DR had.This is not the case anymore,so a Haitian military invasion is that last thing i fear.Third ,there were no lies in my post ,if your gonna tell me that the Dominican people never suffered under the Haitians ,then you are the one that should do a little more reading and research on the topic ,becuase its obvious that YOU know little about it.I get my info not only from Dominican sources , but from Haitian ,American , and International sources,So its well written what Dominicans have been through.There is a book written by an American named Samuel Hazard called "Santo Domingo, past and present,: With a glance at Hayti" written in the 1870's ,he gives a very unbiased(probably the most unbiased in can get) and realistic veiw of Drs history and state at the time.He was sent to the Dr to learn more about the country to show the U.S congress what the situation in DR was, which was in the process of being annexed by the U.S.A.

The only reason the Haitians didnt take full control over the island once again was because Dominicans turned themsleves back over to the Spanish and there actual independace didnt come into the 1860's how is it that Haiti became an independant nation 1804 and than the DR 1844 does that make sense where was the DR before that hum....

 

[daddy1]

The only reason the Haitians didnt take full control over the island once again was because Dominicans turned themsleves back over to the Spanish and there actual independace didnt come into the 1860's how is it that Haiti became an independant nation 1804 and than the DR 1844 does that make sense where was the DR before that hum....

Cmon dude quit all the war talk neither country can afford one, let alone get in one...no one is trying to invade anywhere, people are just looking for a better life tha's all. so do yourself a favor stop the history lesson, and learn to respect and live with each other, if something like a civil war would happen there we would see no winners just......alot of poor dead people, and then the island can be one giant third world waste land!!

 

[Mr_DR]

It's sad to see many dominicans with a chip on their shoulder, a lot of them don't understand that all of the latin american countries consider themselves better and above dominicans, including puerto ricans. If they truly want to improve their society, they will have to stop the Haiti vs. DR & Dark skinned vs. Light skinned crap, move forward and solve their problems. Because technically, dominicans are not receiving enough respect in other first world countries and I know they are hard working and good natured people.

What are you talking about?.....You are not making any sense.

 

[Mr_DR]

The way I see haitians threated in the DR, I would not wish this upon any human race! but then again maybe this is what Haiti needs to be once again reunited '... a common ennemy" !

If Haitians are treated so bad why don't they just pack up and leave?
But instead they keep coming.

 

[iluvdr]

If Haitians are treated so bad why don't they just pack up and leave?
But instead they keep coming.

Your absoluptely right! No matter how bad they are treated in the DR, they are problably better off there then at home. How sad is that?
Does that justify the way that they are treated??? hum...

 

[Pana]

Cmon dude quit all the war talk neither country can afford one, let alone get in one...no one is trying to invade anywhere, people are just looking for a better life tha's all. so do yourself a favor stop the history lesson, and learn to respect and live with each other, if something like a civil war would happen there we would see no winners just......alot of poor dead people, and then the island can be one giant third world waste land!!

"Hoy TE" Im not talking about War, and if you read some of my posts before you would of heard me saying that people should treat each other with respect no matter what they look like or where they are from and do not judge a person by a group but as an individual this world would be a better place if people actually thought that way.

 

[FuegoAzul21]

Wrong Again!!!
Have you seen Afghanistan defeat the Soviet Union, remember Vietnam? Military force means nothing here; never underestimate people fighting a desperate cause against mercenaries. Besides, you would be surprise how many of your Dominican friends are actually Haitians or from Haitians heritage!
The only war you are sure to win is the one?s you don?t fight!
By the way, President Boyer at the time of the insurrection in the east side of the island (today DR) declined to send his troops to smash the rebels, because the Dominicans used a ruse and had him convinced that Henri Christophe was preparing a coup and that the insurrection was just meant to divert his attention... the east side declared itself independent and became Santo Domingo. They later called in Spain and begged them to colonize them and protect them against Haiti. You can research all this in Spanish literature if you care to.

First, the Afghans were helped by U.S.A , and many other nations ,especially Muslim nations,and at the time the Soveit Union was beginning to fall.So, i see your going through the "all black Dominicans are Haitian" or "all Dominicans have Haitian ancestry" route .lol Wow ,and you talk about knowing so much,go figure.The only reason DR asked for Spains re-colonization was becuase the Dominicans did not have enough people to fight against the Haitian Army,They needed protection ,if it wasnt for that, we would be speakin creole,so think about that when you defend the Haitian cause .During the Haitian occupation ,it was just that, an occupation ,not a colonization,and not a f***ing fest either(people had morals back then) . If you know so much about Boyer , you would know that the reason he took over the spanish part of the island was becuase the spanish side was very weak and UNDERPOPULATED and he suspected that they would let the French invade through thier side(its actually pretty logical).So,why dont you read some more literature ,becuase it sounds to me you have a one sided veiw of the topic,like ronaldo said there is two sides to every story

 

[FuegoAzul21]

The only reason the Haitians didnt take full control over the island once again was because Dominicans turned themsleves back over to the Spanish and there actual independace didnt come into the 1860's how is it that Haiti became an independant nation 1804 and than the DR 1844 does that make sense where was the DR before that hum....

I dont even understand what you are tryin to say ,but i will say this (even though its stuff you should already know) if you dont knowthis, do some closer reading whe you research.In 1855 Haiti tried to invade DR again ,but was unsuccessful,Dominicans knowing they would not be able to survive another attack asked for the protection of Spain,this is actaully the smartest thing they could have done,think about it ,if it was your people ,what would you do? .As for,The last question you asked ,i will keep it short .Haiti gianed its independance from France in 1804,dr was under spanish rule until 1822, that was also the same year Haiti invaded and stayed for the 22 years ,where the Dominicans ,outnumbered and out resourced defeated them and won thier independance.(you should know that,dont even know why you asked)

 

[Quisqueya]

I dont even understand what you are tryin to say ,but i will say this (even though its stuff you should already know) if you dont knowthis, do some closer reading whe you research.In 1855 Haiti tried to invade DR again ,but was unsuccessful,Dominicans knowing they would not be able to survive another attack asked for the protection of Spain,this is actaully the smartest thing they could have done,think about it ,if it was your people ,what would you do? .As for,The last question you asked ,i will keep it short .Haiti gianed its independance from France in 1804,dr was under spanish rule until 1822, that was also the same year Haiti invaded and stayed for the 22 years ,where the Dominicans ,outnumbered and out resourced defeated them and won thier independance.(you should know that,dont even know why you asked)

Feugo,

I like you and to be honest I dont see hatred in your style of writing like many other dominican posters but most of your research are a little off and the two posters are pointing them out which I am tired of doing.

But regarding the flags u are way way off...Duarte just added a white cross and other emblems voila..the domincan flag..Where the hell do you see the resemblance of the DR flag with the dominican flag..LOL... damn, I know you guys look up to them and invade every barrio they live in the USA but gosh stop riding their coat tail..So many dominicans claim to be Puerto Rican because of them ashame of their dominican heritage so I'm sure alot deny having haitian heritage..that's sad but its true...

Well, keep studying one day you'll figure it out...but ur on a good path just a little off the paved road...but hey learning history is like putting a broken glass back together exactly the same way it was...just a little advice...

 

[iluvdr]

Smell the coffee, it's no tea!

First, the Afghans were helped by U.S.A , and many other nations ,especially Muslim nations,and at the time the Soveit Union was beginning to fall.So, i see your going through the "all black Dominicans are Haitian" or "all Dominicans have Haitian ancestry" route .lol Wow ,and you talk about knowing so much,go figure.The only reason DR asked for Spains re-colonization was becuase the Dominicans did not have enough people to fight against the Haitian Army,They needed protection ,if it wasnt for that, we would be speakin creole,so think about that when you defend the Haitian cause .During the Haitian occupation ,it was just that, an occupation ,not a colonization,and not a f***ing fest either(people had morals back then) . If you know so much about Boyer , you would know that the reason he took over the spanish part of the island was becuase the spanish side was very weak and UNDERPOPULATED and he suspected that they would let the French invade through thier side(its actually pretty logical).So,why dont you read some more literature ,becuase it sounds to me you have a one sided veiw of the topic,like ronaldo said there is two sides to every story

Hey buddy, like Quisqueya said, we could go at this for a while... The real issue here is how much luggage from the past do you want to carry in the future. Even if you where right, witch by the way, I am convinced of the opposite; does this justify the actions that the Dominicans have been taking lately against the Haitians? I don't see the Jews beating on the Germans, or the Negros burning down the Caucasians. Be careful about preaching hate and intolerance because you are on the strong side of the fence. Things could turn around quickly. Haitians and Dominicans are two sides of the same coin...more like the devil and its brother! They both share identical humiliation abroad and they both are two struggling nations, maybe one more then the other. I should know since I am part Haitian and part Dominican. Instead of beating each other up, they should face there thru enemies. You see, that is how a minority controls a majority, by keeping them busy fighting each other. The Dominicans are so busy blaming the Haitians for all there problems, they can't see the real devils that face them. Wake up and smell the coffee, it's no tea!

 

[Pana]

I dont even understand what you are tryin to say ,but i will say this (even though its stuff you should already know) if you dont knowthis, do some closer reading whe you research.In 1855 Haiti tried to invade DR again ,but was unsuccessful,Dominicans knowing they would not be able to survive another attack asked for the protection of Spain,this is actaully the smartest thing they could have done,think about it ,if it was your people ,what would you do? .As for,The last question you asked ,i will keep it short .Haiti gianed its independance from France in 1804,dr was under spanish rule until 1822, that was also the same year Haiti invaded and stayed for the 22 years ,where the Dominicans ,outnumbered and out resourced defeated them and won thier independance.(you should know that,dont even know why you asked)

Haiti invaded the eastern side of the island to abolish slavery through out the whole island to keep it free from the Europeans powers and you and many other people know that is truth why they invaded the Eastern side of Island and if you are getting your facts from Balaguer, Trujillo, Manuel A. Pena Battle, Carlos Cornielle, Mauel Nunez you better come stronger than that.

 

[Pana]

Hey buddy, like Quisqueya said, we could go at this for a while... The real issue here is how much luggage from the past do you want to carry in the future. Even if you where right, witch by the way, I am convinced of the opposite; does this justify the actions that the Dominicans have been taking lately against the Haitians? I don't see the Jews beating on the Germans, or the Negros burning down the Caucasians. Be careful about preaching hate and intolerance because you are on the strong side of the fence. Things could turn around quickly. Haitians and Dominicans are two sides of the same coin...more like the devil and its brother! They both share identical humiliation abroad and they both are two struggling nations, maybe one more then the other. I should know since I am part Haitian and part Dominican. Instead of beating each other up, they should face there thru enemies. You see, that is how a minority controls a majority, by keeping them busy fighting each other. The Dominicans are so busy blaming the Haitians for all there problems, they can't see the real devils that face them. Wake up and smell the coffee, it's no tea!

You are right people are so blinded, this is why us as a people of color will always be kept down there is a bigger picture to this and alot of people are walking around with their eyes clothes pining us vs us thats what they want.

 

[Quisqueya]

Haiti invaded the eastern side of the island to abolish slavery through out the whole island to keep it free from the Europeans powers and you and many other people know that is truth why they invaded the Eastern side of Island and if you are getting your facts from Balaguer, Trujillo, Manuel A. Pena Battle, Carlos Cornielle, Mauel Nunez you better come stronger than that.

Ouch,

Fuego they really are putting the fire on you(intellectually). And just to add a little tad more, I would also note that the spanish side(wasn't DR yet) but they decided to let Boyer come to that side(for what is mention above). It wasn't until(France,Spain, and the new United States of A.) isolated haiti and thus couldn't sustain the whole island and some spanish haitians & french haitians too decided to go against the gov't because they wanted a better economy. Then ur hero Juan Pablo Duarte which probably would not have anything to do with a typical dominican decided to secretly take over the east side, note after studying in Spain even in the 21st century an average dominican can't afford to study their also there wasn't any becas then like we have now....Juan Pablo was most likely descendant from Spain and was privilege unlike the majority of the Criollos...ok, thats enough...I here you crying out "no ma' "

 

[FuegoAzul21]

Feugo,

I like you and to be honest I dont see hatred in your style of writing like many other dominican posters but most of your research are a little off and the two posters are pointing them out which I am tired of doing.

But regarding the flags u are way way off...Duarte just added a white cross and other emblems voila..the domincan flag..Where the hell do you see the resemblance of the DR flag with the dominican flag..LOL... damn, I know you guys look up to them and invade every barrio they live in the USA but gosh stop riding their coat tail..So many dominicans claim to be Puerto Rican because of them ashame of their dominican heritage so I'm sure alot deny having haitian heritage..that's sad but its true...

Well, keep studying one day you'll figure it out...but ur on a good path just a little off the paved road...but hey learning history is like putting a broken glass back together exactly the same way it was...just a little advice...

The posters you talk about have siad nothing that proves anything i said wrong,all they have siad is that i am wrong ,not proving how they are right.As for PRs,the days of Dominicans trying to be PRs are gone,that was when Dominicans were no where to be found , its definitly not like that anymore(at least in Nj and NY),maybe back in the 80s it seemed that way,but its 2005 .Haitians in the states still try tellin people that they are part Dominican just to fit in the hispanic crowd (even when they are pitch black and dont know a word in spanish),its funny but its sad at the same time,they also deny being Haitian saying that they are French ,lol,too funny Th only reason i talked about the old PR flag was becuase if you ever seen it ,that was very similar to the DR Flag and both flags were created around the same time ,so maybe the design of the flag was not limited only to Haiti.Now i hope you are not gonna start with the "all Dominicans are Haitian" or "All Black Dominicans are Haitian" because form i what i remember you were a prime attacker of those claims,so dont flip switch and try gassin up these other posters ,making feel like they are winning a discussion.