Que Dios bendiga a los Estados Unidos de Am?rica por los siglos de los siglos, ?amen!
One of the few TRUE friends the DR has in the global political arena.
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The President Has Spoken!
One of the few TRUE friends the DR has in the global political arena.
I'm only 21 years old! What does that make me? Gen 1.2? LOL!!!
It amuses me when the conversation starts to take the lane of age...
LOL!!
It amuses me when the conversation starts to take the lane of age...
LOL!!
Well done/said by President Danilo Medina. Every country has a right to defend
it's constitution in a diplomatic manner or otherwise. Though it was way too
much time dedicated to Ralph Gonsalves prime minister of 16,000 pop.
Equivalent to the DR launching arrows at the US.
move along..nothing to see here
it's constitution in a diplomatic manner or otherwise. Though it was way too
much time dedicated to Ralph Gonsalves prime minister of 16,000 pop.
Equivalent to the DR launching arrows at the US.
move along..nothing to see here
Ooookay!
Oh...
Aha...
Right. Let me quote myself from my original post: "The PM was one of the main reasons for why the DR was not accepted into the CARICOM as a full member".
Maybe its me, but I don't see how what you said and what I said are in conflict. :surprised
Interesting...
Right, but I don't know where I have even mentioned what type of a relationship CARICOM consist of.
Plus, maybe its me, but I have a hard time understanding how something that is not a trading agreement can be a common market.
This is no secret.
And in much of the Caribbean distinctions are made between blacks and mulattoes, despite in some countries the mulatto category is much more exclusive than in others. In any case, what is the majority of the DR? I think only Martinique resembles much more closely DR's racial demographics and even there its a little different. I always assumed this was an underlying issue.
The DR was not a full member of CARICOM (never has been), so I don't see why a decision made by a country that is not even a full member would be a problem for its acceptance. This is assuming that the CARICOM group doesn't uses any excuse to prevent full membership to the DR, as they have done since the 1970s.
Care to explain how the CARICOM countries came to the conclusion to not support the USA? Unilaterally? Multilaterally?
I want to incline towards the second one, but you probably know more than I do about this. In any case, if it was multilaterally and all of them voted against it, then why would anyone think that DR fully integrated into CARICOM would be able to go against the multilaterally decided decision of CARICOM?
Some how the Central Americans didn't had any issues in accepting the DR in the Central American Parliament and neither have any other group of nations with whom we have signed agreements with.
This is obvious, but the DR also has the ability to benefit the most considering that its precisely with other Caribbean countries that the DR has the greatest trading advantages, some of which are not fulfilling because these islands keep using any excuse to put a roadblock.
That's precisely my point with the added bonus that CARICOM countries are not internationally condemned and continually derided for not allowing the free flow of Haitian migrants. Do we really need a recap of what the DR goes through the moment we even think about controlling the border? I don't think so, it should be clear. All those CARICOM countries should open the gates to Haitian migration, at least until the Haitian colonies make up 7 to 10% of the population of each island. Then they should control it and then they have a true basis from which to criticize the DR concerning the Haitian migration problem. The percentages are not coming out of thin air, in case you are wondering.
There is no other group of people in the Caribbean that understand the Haitian dilemma better than Dominicans. Everyone else simply theorizes, probably based on what they notice is happening to the DR, but I think they would get much more credibility with a little experience under their belt. Open the gates and close them once they hit 7% of the population. Then begin the attacks against the DR. Its not much to ask, especially with the small populations of these islands (except for Trinidad and Jamaica -I'm not sure if Jamaica is part of CARICOM, but I'm assuming it is) the experiment would probably last a few months.
actually, NALS, Jamaica is one of the founding members of Caricom.
here is a serious consideration; in the very early 60s, the British caribbean islands attempted a union called the Federated West Indies, the FWI. it was intended to integrate all the islands of the British colonial regime into a union, somewhat like the EU. the timing was unfortunate, in that it came almost at the time when countries like Jamaica were getting independence. by 1962 the FWI was gone. however, the dream for some kind of integration never died, and Caricom is the result. one of the main objectives was a political solidarity, with common visions of political thought. the decision against supporting George Bush against Iraq was unanimous. the fact that the DR was diametrically opposed presented a stumbling block, given its relative size and population. even though it only had one vote, it would represent a block of population that was larger than the rest of Caricom. it is not as if Barbuda was the dissenting voice.
let me make this clear; i support the DR in its quest to reduce ingress of Haitians. i am sure that other caribbean islands do. but that is not the issue here, even though Dominicans choose to conflate immigration and loss of citizenship, which is self serving and disingenuous. Caricom has issued no statement regarding immigration control. their opposition is toward the stripping of citizenship, which is a completely different matter.
NALS, i cannot believe that you said this;
The DR was not a full member of CARICOM (never has been), so I don't see why a decision made by a country that is not even a full member would be a problem for its acceptance.
you don't? well let me explain it. if you are applying for membership in a capitalist club, and you show yourself to be a communist, it will militate against your acceptance.
The DR was not a full member of CARICOM (never has been), so I don't see why a decision made by a country that is not even a full member would be a problem for its acceptance.
you don't? well let me explain it. if you are applying for membership in a capitalist club, and you show yourself to be a communist, it will militate against your acceptance.
depends on what you mean when you say 'make it". he has won re-election more than once.
Gonsalves already made enemies of the E.U.! He's a lame duck and his going for broke using the DR-Haiti issue to have his name and under the arm "case" against the old colonial powers for reparations from slavery times! LOL!!
Like the prior PM of his own mini-country told him: He's looking to make the ones that paid for the road that was built to his home, pay for something that belongs in the history books alone.
Like the prior PM of his own mini-country told him: He's looking to make the ones that paid for the road that was built to his home, pay for something that belongs in the history books alone.
The answer from the DR to Caricom will be silent but very harsh: The DR will slow down the commerce with the community to make them see who's the top banana here in the Caribbean...
They are opposing to a non-issue because no one has been stripped of anything and no one has lost any citizenship. The sentence of the TC is effectively giving a legitimate Dominican citizenship to all those Haitians that were fraudulently lead to believe they were Dominicans, when in fact they weren't. The sentence affects those that were irregularly registered in the Civil Registry and affects them positively, because all of them will get a legitimate Dominican citizenship. Most will qualify for an automatic Dominicanization and a minority will be able to opt for naturalization once they comply with the law that dictates when a legal resident can apply for such.
Everything else that has been said about the sentence is noise, unfounded noise.
Read between the lines!
I'm saying that its a BS excuse much how the Balaguer excuse was pure BS too. Balaguer has been out of power since 1996 (and dead since 2001 or 2002), that's a long time ago! I guess it was a gift from God that the TC issue popped up last year, a nice way of replacing an old BS excuse with a new one!
By the way, ask any Dominican that is at least 50 years or older how common were blacks in the country when they were younger, because I have yet to meet one that hasn't said that blacks were few and far between except in places like San Crist?bal or in the sugar provinces such as San Pedro. Balaguer certainly witnessed the demographic changes from his early in the 20th century birth to his death in the early 21st and he explained that, perhaps not in the most PC way. Go ahead, ask around. It doesn't matter the color or social class, all say the same thing. Everyone can't be lying.
Every excuse used by the CARICOM against accepting the DR as a full member is pure BS as far as I'm concerned.
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you are entitled to your opinion, and so are they. they do not want the DR as a part of their circle because of political positions, failure to attempt to trade with reciprocity, and other reasons which to you are BS, and to them are essential.
slow down what commerce with the Caricom countries? what does the DR buy from any of these islands, except for Trinidad?
what essential goods do any of the Caricom territories buy from the DR that cannot be sourced elsewhere?
that is a pretty blusterous statement which means less than zero. there are far more girls from the DR selling poon tang in the Caricom islands than there are Caricom citizens seeking employment here. top banana in respect to exactly what?
maybe next time DR fishermen get caught poaching in the waters of places like the Bahamas, draconian steps will be taken to show who is the top banana.
what the heck does the paucity of black people in the DR have to do with the fact that Balaguer was a racist? do you mean that Caricom leaders should have excused his disdain for blacks simply because he did not see too many of them? it is apparent that he saw enough to express an opinion, which you euphemistically refer to as being less than politically correct.
says NALS
Plus, maybe its me, but I have a hard time understanding how something that is not a trading agreement can be a common market.
the point i am making, even though not very tidily expressed, is that CARICOM was not intended to be a free trade agreement. DRCAFTA in a free trade agreement. CARICOM is a free trade agreement , and a customs union, similar to the 19th century Zollverein in Germany. it is a Common Market, not simply a free trade area.
Plus, maybe its me, but I have a hard time understanding how something that is not a trading agreement can be a common market.
the point i am making, even though not very tidily expressed, is that CARICOM was not intended to be a free trade agreement. DRCAFTA in a free trade agreement. CARICOM is a free trade agreement , and a customs union, similar to the 19th century Zollverein in Germany. it is a Common Market, not simply a free trade area.
And where is "Leonel" in all this????
Hiding???????
He doesn't want the DR's Racist Nationalism to infringe on his personal "Globalism"!!!!!
He loves being the "Darling" of the World Socialist types, who also are against the DR's racism, so he has to keep his head down.
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Hiding???????
He doesn't want the DR's Racist Nationalism to infringe on his personal "Globalism"!!!!!
He loves being the "Darling" of the World Socialist types, who also are against the DR's racism, so he has to keep his head down.
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Nah, Leo will host an event in Funglode and he will invite Medina and Ralph Gonsalves, have them shake hands, have a a few pics taken for the international press and leave the building, with all the problems remaining unscratched.
i think he will lay low until some sort of acceptable compromise is in the process of being worked out. then, in the 11th hour, he will insinuate himself into the midst of the proceedings, and proclaim himself to be the genius behind the solution.
