A fence from Dajabon To Pedernales

[Mr_DR]

I have a question. There are so many gringos living illegally in the DR why aren't they targeted?

I agree with you,

The only reason why these people are not targeted is because they are not enough of them where it would be a visible problem. These people are not a weight to the DR government and they are able to carry their own weight.

Plus, the small handful of illegals that you are talking about are targeted at their games, which mostly consists of any illegal activities from child pornography to tax evasion, money laundering and in some occassions "fugitives avoiding convictions" Believe me that these people pay their price when they get caught and many of them are in jail doing their time as well as facing deportation as we speak.

 

[Mr_DR]

Oh yes, and tell your patriotic fellow countrymen to stop employing Haitians. Supply and demand, remember?

Foreigners are just as guilty or worst...specially the resorts...most of the time you go to a resort, you will see that almost the entire staff is made up of haitians.

 

[Quisqueya]

I can't wait 2 C how this folds. Good luck but there is absolutely too much money being made by the DR and the Haitian gov't for such an idea to take off..Well, good luck...

I originally came up with the idea of a wall/fence, I prefer a wall of blocks and cements because it can be done rather cheaply, partly because I am tire of hearing my friends who live near the border say how angry they are with the Dominican government, not Haiti since it has no government or police force. Their cattle is frequently stolen and there is nothing that can be done because Dominican police cannot pursue Haitians across the border and who can they contact on the other side? no one. If there is a fence how can they get the cattle or whatever it is they stole over the fence? Throw it over? A fence will simplify the job of the police. Like someone said previosly I am trying to get in contact with Dominican legislators and am also trying to organize a march to "El Palacio" at the beginning of July. If anubody is interested in marching please write comments in my blog from where I will try to organize the march. http://soberaniadominicana.blogspot.com/

 

[Mr_DR]

Because the gringos are not bringing poverty but prosperity to the DR. American expats are bringing in tons of cash that the DR would not see from the AI tourists. Without the Good Ole U.S.of A, the DR would be worst off than Haiti. They will never, ever, ever target the gringos.
"Don't Bite The Hand That Feeds You"

I don't want to burst your bubbles but Americans have always been skeptical about investing in the Dominican Republic and the flow of American tourists to the DR is not that great either.....The DR still is an undiscovered jewel to the Americans...It is a fact that NY and Miami has been for the longest time the only two places where you would be able to take a direct flight from the US to DR and if you look around you may only find two or three Americans.

Now if you were talking about Canada, then I would agree with you because long before Juan Dolio or Punta Cana, the Canadians were already coming by the thousands and opening hotels even in mangroves places such as Rio San Juan in the 70s.

If DR is what it is today, Canada takes all the recognitions in my book. They were the ones that paved the way.

 

[NALs]

Thanks for ur rebuttal...So I guess Ricardo900 was absolutely right

Originally Posted by Ricardo900
... Without the Good Ole U.S.of A, the DR would be worst off than Haiti. They will never, ever, ever target the gringos.

NaL's from your post I get the impression that dominicans needs outside sources to keep it afloat. Anway, I want to stay on the topic thus I will not further discussed my question.

If this wall was built b/w the two countries would u also want to cease trade b/w the two?

Yes, trade is good.

But, illegal human trafficking is not.

Again, all those Haitians who are applying for visas at the Dominican embassy in Port-au-Prince (in actuality the embassy is in Petionville near the park), more power to those law abidding neighbors. In my book, the fact that they are attempting to make it across the legal way is a good sign of the type of citizens or residents they will be once in the DR.

For those who simply get up and cross the border at will completely disregarding international agreements and migration laws, I have quite a problem with.

But, trade is good, in fact, the entire Caribbean should be one giant free trading block, not ala European Union, but more ala CAFTA or NAFTA types.

And, the DR can keep itself afloat without foreign investment, but in order to keep the economy growing relatively fast, foreign investment is needed to inject new wealth into the system. (Without foreign investment, only the Cibao region and the capital would survive, but with much smaller economies. With foreign investments, those two traditionally prosperous regions have become much more prosperous and former impoverished places (like Puerto Plata area) and places that were uninhabited before (like Juan Dolio or Punta Cana) have become important motor of the national economy). Foreign investment from the first world (especially the US and Spain) has fueled the recent economic booms the country has experienced after Trujillo's death.

Again, trade is a good thing, the question is how fair or free is the actual trade in practice? That's a different thread all together.

Also, how fair is a particular trade between two countries when one country is constantly being bombarded with massive waves of another country's problem (ie. extremely poor people with no skills or prospects at all)?

Another topic worthy of a seperate thread.

 

[Conchman]

I think there are already over 1,000,000 Americans visiting the DR, mostly in AIs in Punta Cana. But yes, its basically still undiscovered in terms of outside the AI resorts and there will be lots of more development like marinas, golf communities, condos, etc. that will attract the American market.

I don't want to burst your bubbles but Americans have always been skeptical about investing in the Dominican Republic and the flow of American tourists to the DR is not that great either.....The DR still is an undiscovered jewel to the Americans...It is a fact that NY and Miami has been for the longest time the only two places where you would be able to take a direct flight from the US to DR and if you look around you may only find two or three Americans.

Now if you were talking about Canada, then I would agree with you because long before Juan Dolio or Punta Cana, the Canadians were already coming by the thousands and opening hotels even in mangroves places such as Rio San Juan in the 70s.

If DR is what it is today, Canada takes all the recognitions in my book. They were the ones that paved the way.

 

[vinnie]

Bribes

you will just have to pay the police to use their ladders to get in now .Anyway its easier than paying the bus driver who then pays the authorities to get the ilegals to las martas the stepping stone to santo domingo .Doesnt cost much for the bus driver he only pays each soldier about 30 peso that stops him.

 

[badpiece33]

A Big Wall like the one was made in Berling will be great!!!!!

Build a really big wall and Myself and AZB will patrol it to keep all UBH out of DR