I don't think green movements have a political doctrine. Their goal is to achieve their environmental objectives.
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Electric Cars in the DR
It's about control of others. That by definition is facist. You may want to give them altruistic motives, but it's still control.
drstock "Green movements are socialist? How?"
The German coalition government of three parties, no majority could be reached is composed of socialist SPD and the Green Party dominated soley by green policies and doctrines which is the base of their party outline and the FDP centrist business oriented.
The do not get along and will not be elected again in 2025.
The same goes for Canada's Liberals socialist, in coalition with NDP left leaning socialists.
With federal elections by 2025, when the Liberals may be booted out.
All those governments have hit the wall, with real world situations.
Limits imposed by finance, wars, budgets and multiple global crises.
In both countries governments have imposed politically motivated end of combustion engine manufacturing by 2035......in eleven years
And carbon caps, inhibiting industries.
In Canada the Liberals have inhibited bridge production on oil and natural gas needed till green energies can replace fossil fuels.
Pipelines, refineries, shipping terminals.
We are a long way from being able to run industries, farming equipment, trucking, shipping, air traffic on solely green technology.
Canada is in the enviable position to have hydro power, geo thermal not much used yet, and other energy sources.
The DR is energy dependent on imports to a large degree.
Germany one of the largest economies is spinning because of poor policies, few natural resources and the need to run industry on imported energy sources.
The DR is in a similar position with little income and revenues.
The DR is dependent on Gasoline, diesel and gas imports.
Electric power delivery has improved but is far from reliable standards.
Domestic water delivery a desaster.
You can be sure what happens in the outside developed world has a direct impact on the DR, with a failed state in Haiti as a neighbour.
Artificially imposed carbon caps and deadlines by politicians are not working.
The rich countries are struggling, realizing that there will be major costs to be carried by citizens,
Resulting in lower incomes and high costs.
There will be pain felt by many especially the poor and middle class and that's in the developed countries.
Democracies which are the minority of world governments are moving right.
Despots which is most of the world will impose whatever they want.
Yes we will have to develop renewable clean energies.
Private enterprises and science will be the driver, not governments.
There is no magic switch and quick results.
It will take a lot of time and money.
Of course Abinader being well educated and rich can drive and EV.
This will not translate into an EV transformation in the DR.
It will be the rich with options driving those vehicles, along with a fleet of combustion engines cars/trucks including dirty diesels and coal power plants.
Below are some more DR facts, the real world.
Most energy is imported including energy for electricity production.
Fuel mix (fossil fuels vs renewables)
Fossil fuels - including oil, natural gas, and coal - supply most of the Dominican Republic's energy, supplemented by smaller amounts of renewables, including hydro, wind, solar and biofuels.[1][2] The DR depends on oil for electricity generation more than any other country in Latin America and the Caribbean; as of 2017, 52% of electricity was generated from oil (down from 89% in the 1980s and 90s), while 21% and 13% came from natural gas and coal, respectively.[3] Renewable sources accounted for 15% of electrical generation in 2020[1], up from 12% in 2019.[4] The country aims to produce 25% of its electricity from renewable energy sources by 2025.[5]
Energy profile: Dominican Republic
www.gem.wiki
A white elephant for a struggling nation
Since 2012, the government of the Dominican Republic has promoted the Punta Catalina coal plant project to meet its energy needs, even though it will have to import the coal necessary for the operation of the plant, and despite the fact that national law requires the progressive phasing out of coal. The plant was expected to generate one-third of the country’s energy needs, and was touted by the government as a “low cost,” short-term solution to the country’s energy crisis. In the end, the project proved to be by far the most expensive energy project in the country’s history, costing over two billion dollars.Dominican Republic - Total primary coal production
0(thousand short tons)in 2021Between 2002 and 2021, Dominican Republic primary coal production remained stable at around 0 thousand short tons.
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What is primary coal production?
The sum of sales, mine consumption, issues to miners, and issues to coke, briquetting, and other ancillary plants at mines. Production data include quantities extracted from surface and underground mines, and normally exclude wastes removed at mines or associated reparation plants. Primary coal is all coal milled and, when necessary, washed and sorted.
Dominican Republic Primary coal production, 1949-2023 - knoema.com
Between 2002 and 2021, Dominican Republic primary coal production remained stable at around 0 thousand short tons. The sum of sales, mine consumption, issues to miners, and issues to coke, briquetting, and other ancillary plants at mines. Production data include quantities extracted from surface...
knoema.com
Yet,
“The Dominican Republic’s economy has been one of the most dynamic and resilient economies in the Western Hemisphere over the last two decades. Reforms and good monetary and fiscal policies have strengthened.
From IMF report.
IMF Staff Completes 2023 Article IV Mission to the Dominican Republic
An International Monetary Fund (IMF) team led by Mr. Emilio Fernández-Corugedo visited the Dominican Republic from May 8 to May 19 to conduct the 2023 Article IV Consultation discussions.
www.imf.org
Just a reminder...we need to keep the topic about electric cars in the DR.
Will this translate to more new or used Teslas and other EV's, available in the DR for better pricing?
"Shares of Elon Musk’s electric-vehicle giant have dropped 26% this month, wiping out $205 billion in market valuation. They stock is on pace to close lower for the sixth straight week, its longest losing streak since 2016. For perspective, at that point Tesla hadn’t even launched its first mass-market car, the Model 3.
There are plenty of reasons for the selloff. The auto industry is warning about plunging demand for EVs. Hertz Global Holding Inc., the rental-car behemoth, pulled back from plans to expand its electric vehicle fleet, and Ford Motor Co. said it was seeing a weaker market for them.
Still, for a stock that can move vigorously in either direction once sentiment shifts, this month’s sharp dive also could open the doors to a quick bounce back. Technical signals suggest the stock has dropped into “oversold” territory, which typically signals a coming reversal."
ca.yahoo.com
The DR is totally dependent on foreign manufacturing of EV's and outside market conditions in regard to DR pricing.
Of course DR government import duties also will add to costs.
"Shares of Elon Musk’s electric-vehicle giant have dropped 26% this month, wiping out $205 billion in market valuation. They stock is on pace to close lower for the sixth straight week, its longest losing streak since 2016. For perspective, at that point Tesla hadn’t even launched its first mass-market car, the Model 3.
There are plenty of reasons for the selloff. The auto industry is warning about plunging demand for EVs. Hertz Global Holding Inc., the rental-car behemoth, pulled back from plans to expand its electric vehicle fleet, and Ford Motor Co. said it was seeing a weaker market for them.
Still, for a stock that can move vigorously in either direction once sentiment shifts, this month’s sharp dive also could open the doors to a quick bounce back. Technical signals suggest the stock has dropped into “oversold” territory, which typically signals a coming reversal."
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The DR is totally dependent on foreign manufacturing of EV's and outside market conditions in regard to DR pricing.
Of course DR government import duties also will add to costs.
So yeah people were hot for electric cars but now too many people are saying they aren't great, crappy for any distance and more people aren't willing to waste $25K more for a car that doesn't work in cold weather, has little resale value and needs a $30K replacement battery after 10 years, that is if it doesn't catch fire first and demolish your home in a blaze that can't be extinguished
Full exoneration if also tied to a tourist project……otherwise 50% reduction on taxes, ITBIS and first placa (Ley 103-13).
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
The exception would be Environmental NGO’s funded by governments. Often a discrete way for governments to further their political objectives with buy in from the voters. Some NGO’s are pushing EV’s hard to support initiatives like the funding and building of battery manufacturing facilities.
The French have finally figured out how to make them work. Could the DR be far behind?
After all, electric cars in the DR have been manufactured outside of the DR.
All charging and support infrastructure of electric cars in DR also has been manufactured and engineered outside of the DR.
EV's have been shipped in from the outside.
DR is an island Nation connected to the outside world, what happens there is what happens here to some extent.
No outside help, imports, tourism, the DR would be back to Taino standards.
There was a time when there was hardly any tourism (in fact, for most of the 20th century the DR was one of the least visited countries and most isolated in the world) and exports surpassed the value of imports. It wasn’t as developed as today, but it was still a far cry from the Taino days. One can even say it was more developed than Haiti is right now considering things in the DR didn’t get that bad.
Not to mention that today the bulk of the DR production (agriculture and manufactured) is actually consumed in the DR. One of the biggest “issues” of DR production is that a small part is actually exported. Things like the sugar industry or free trade zones where almost everything the produce is for abroad are more an exception than a rule. If the DR exported at least half of what it produces, total exports would be considerably larger than they are.
How convenient. In today’s Listín Diario has an article that basically indirectly supports my previous post. Despite most Dominican productions are done in the local industry with factories outside free trade zones, the last one accounts for 67% of exports. It should be local manufacturing thst exports the most, but the DR has been very focused on its self for a long time. Case in point, when tourism begsn to be officially developed after the Trujillo years, the main focus was Santo Domingo and the market the tourist industry was focused on was Dominicans living abroad for when they returned to visit the DR, foreign tourists were nowhere in the radar. Imagine Dominican tourism today without foreign tourists!
I agree,
Education and training would be key drivers.
EV's need highly qualified specialists to repair and maintain them.
Same for the installation of charging stations, which is much easier than the maintenance and repair of EV vehicles.
On the semi jocular side.
If the DR could use EV trucks to transport great DR avocados to shipping that would be great.
In US and CAN I just see Mexican avocados.
IN EU Peru, Spain, Mexico, Israel, Kenya are producers.
About time the DR ships their great avocados by EV trucks and EV ships and expands DR exports.