Metro defenders - answer these questions please

NALs

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May I offer an alternative perspective. If all the Haitians were deported the economy of the DR would collapse, plain and simple.

There would be no one to do all those jobs that need to be done but that no one wants to do. I think if you check with any knowledgeable economist you'll find that the supply and demand concept applys to the workforce the same as it does to commodities. If they weren't needed in this economy they won't be here.

They are also needed for another very simple reason, this a psychological one. They provide the perfect scapegoat for all the ills of Dominican society. I mean, what aren't they blamed for?

So think twice before you call for massive deportations, and be careful what you wish for. You might just be slitting your own throat.
The economy would collapse if illegal immigrants were to disappear overnight, however, how many people do you think can realistically be deported from the DR on a daily basis?

A few thousands for sure, but with an illegal population that may be well over 1 million, a constant outflow of a few thousands will not cause much effect in the short run, hence the economy will not collapse. There would be more than enough time for the economy to adjust itself as the gradual changes occur.

As the number of illegals begins to gradually decrease (assuming that the border is effectively secured to prevent massive influxes of people), the price for unskilled labor would rise and as that occurs, Dominican companies that today depend on imported Haitian labor would begin to invest in technologies to do many of the jobs that today is done "by hand" and/or offer higher wages as labor becomes relatively scarce, attracting unemployed Dominicans who would do any particular job given the right price. The fact that Dominicans are picking coffee in Puerto Rico and yet shun doing such in the DR is a matter of pricing the labor force. In PR Dominicans are willing to pick coffee because the wages are much more acceptable given the tasks of the job vs. the wages prevailing in the DR. Hence, Dominicans are not really averse to doing agricultural labor, they simply are averse to doing such labor for wages that are too low.

By the way, all illegal immigrants don't need to be deported. Just enough to cause wages to rise at the lower end of the social strata which would simultaneously make investments in new technologies for keeping or increasing productivity much more appealing.

The illegal immigrant problem in the DR was not a problem that was created overnight and it will not be solved overnight. In other words, it took time for the 1 million plus illegal Haitian immigrants that currently live in the DR to actually have done so, hence it will take some time to effectively deport many of them. Again, its not desirable to have all illegals deported, just enough to remove the most abject poverty, the lowest wages, and lower the unemployment rate (with rising wages, more Dominicans would be willing to do the jobs they today shun).

Lets keep ourselves within the parameters of reality or what can be a potential reality. Making the assumption that all illegals would disappear overnight to "prove" that the economy would collapse and by consequence create support against deportations is very irresponsible.

Its the same as assuming that the proletariat is actually more important than the capitalist class. Labor follows money, labor concentrates where capital accumulates, labor is dependent on capital; plain and simple. If labor was the most important aspect of an economy and a society, then countries with an overabundance of labor and severe shortage of capitalists would be fabulously rich. Unfortunately, that doesn't prove to be true.

-NALs
 
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PICHARDO

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Thousands of homes without light and the Metro halted by a blackout in Washington

WASHINGTON.- A blackout in Washington left today without electricity thousands of users, caused cuts in the regular the traffic and forced to suspend the circulation of several lines of the Metro, in the rush hour in the morning.

Las Mundiales - Miles de viviendas sin luz y el metro cortado por un apagón en Washington



It happens in well developed countries, yet here in the DR the Metro will have sufficient back up power to run without the regular power grid...

But, what do we know about things like running a Metro?!? After all we're "Dominicans"...

Once the SD Metro is running on regular service you'll notice that these "Dominicans" know a thing or two about blackouts...
 
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"Once the SD Metro is running on regular service you'll notice that these "Dominicans" know a thing or two about blackouts..."

Well that is reassuring to know.
 

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That was the most discussed point of the plan. Most engineers said that it was not necessary to have 130% of power in stand-by generators, the system provided enough power in the cars to be driven to the next station to unload passengers in the event of a blackout. We contended that we wanted the Metro to run regardless of the power grid status at any given time.

The point of contention in our part was that, in the event of a blackout, the Metro needed to be able to continue service regardless of how long the power outage was.

The SD Metro is in a category of 100% reliability unlike most others in the world.

In the event of a system-wide emergency (earthquake, tunnel collapses, etc...) the main power control can drive the entire fleet from the command control without delays to assure passenger/system safety.

The command control can see the same view the motorman watches in front of him, as well as inside the car themselves.

Circulation during working hours won't become prisoner of power disruptions in the SD Metro. The bus fleet that will complement the Metro will run with a schedule to assure maximum efficiency of passenger circulation. The baby steps will conduce to have the SD Metro to run in an on-time schedule with the alternate bus service in tandem to insure that congestion won't become an added problem to the system.

Think like in Japan...

The whole system is dependant on the on going phase in the streets of SD, where over passes and better circulation is sought to reduce congestion as much as possible by providing easy links to the entire public transportation system.

That's why the SD Metro is not a single project, but a single component of the entire project to bring reliable mass transit to the DR. (note that I use the DR and not SD only, as the plan is on a national scale).

The private sectors are already lining up to know more about the plans and how they can become partners with it, while making economic sense from an investor's point of view.

The next lines of the SD Metro will have private investors on the wings to make it happen. The next step (one that the go will speed ahead to bring about) is to start the initial phases of the Santiago - SD Metro link via high speed train service.

The Santiago Metro will happen eventually via 99% private investment and gov aid (clearing the land usage and rights to have the system build without delays).

The bids for the local communication companies to offer internet, cell and other services within the Metro will be set in place soon as well (another income for the Metro). That with publicity rights inside the cars and on the system as well...

Buses will use the whole body ad's film to create income from the publicity industry as well...

There's a plethora of sources to create extra income from the final system as you may imagine. The thing is that enough of the system needs to be up and running so that the gov/private sector can command top dollar for the niche.
 
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It happens in well developed countries, yet here in the DR the Metro will have sufficient back up power to run without the regular power grid...

This is just proof that our utility companies are deficient. We NEED that backup. In other countries they don't have backups because they don't really need them. Being stuck in a subway without power isn't by itself an emergency.

Blackouts don't make news here because they come too often.
 

NALs

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This is just proof that our utility companies are deficient. We NEED that backup. In other countries they don't have backups because they don't really need them. Being stuck in a subway without power isn't by itself an emergency.

Blackouts don't make news here because they come too often.
Backup generators are not needed?

Ha ha ha.

Why does every single hospital in the U.S. HAS a backup generator?

Face it kid, the DC metro has its flaw and that is the lack of backup generators. I guarantee you that the hospitals in the DC area were working fine with their BACKUP GENERATORS.

So much for the "they don't really need it" rationalization. :tired::ermm:

-NALs
 

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Well the construction of the second metro line is just around the corner according to Leonel. Meanwhile the first line is on delay, scheduled to start in December.....Weeeeeeee


President Leonel Fernandez's office said this week that construction could start in Santo Domingo in January. The statement said several French and Spanish companies have expressed interest, but did not name them.

Dominican Republic to build second subway line - Forbes.com
 

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The first line is almost operational, although during the last tests, all adjacent neighborhoods get a power black out, which of course is not a government concern and never will.

In reply to Mr. Jimenez about modernization, wouldn't it be more important and of higher priority for the modernization of whole country to try to solve the power outages, rather than building a Metro....????? Would it be modern, to have a metro which will be stopped by continous black outs...????

Ohh, sorry, I forgot, building the Metro makes more party compa?eros MILLIONAIRES.....solving the power outage will only give electricity to the whole country, including those NON-PARTY COMPA?EROS....

El hijo Del Peje