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Not likely, they do not seem to fly to where I want to go.
Why do you hope they do not have wi fi?
I never use a computer on board a plane.
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PAWA Dominicana announces Flights to US and Caribbean
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Not likely, they do not seem to fly to where I want to go.
Why do you hope they do not have wi fi?
I never use a computer on board a plane.
The thing is that THEY ARE FLYING already to other destinations. PAWA is just expanding people!
PAWA did things the right way ever since it first serviced a route from the DR to the outside.
Newer planes require long term contracts, older planes only require a 90 days commitment with service included.
These older planes are fitted with newer engines. Not the latest, but the most efficient and cost effective for the task at hand.
The bulk of biz costs to fly these planes for WAPA are covered by using the cargo space for outbound/inbound parcels. All pre-negotiated and pre-sold months in advance of each flight.
WAPA is doing good now. Bound to do much better soon.
PAWA did things the right way ever since it first serviced a route from the DR to the outside.
Newer planes require long term contracts, older planes only require a 90 days commitment with service included.
These older planes are fitted with newer engines. Not the latest, but the most efficient and cost effective for the task at hand.
The bulk of biz costs to fly these planes for WAPA are covered by using the cargo space for outbound/inbound parcels. All pre-negotiated and pre-sold months in advance of each flight.
WAPA is doing good now. Bound to do much better soon.
I have heard all this before. i remember the week when Hawaiian and two other airlines when belly up was the week when Air Dominicana was announced. i got into many arguments with Dominicans regarding the sanity of getting into the airline business when establisjed companies were dropping like flies. they all gave the same reason why those lines went bust....they did not know what they were doing. the DR had a great business model and plan, and they would show people like Braniff and Pan Am how the real players do it.
well, we remember the upshot of all that. Air Dominicana went bankrupt before flying a single passenger. a bunch of guys stole a bag of money, and that airline is now the answer to a trivia question. that being the case, i will wait to see how this one pans out before i listen to PICHARDO?s bluster.
I am all for as many successful and safe airlines as possible.
I particularly favor airlines that are aware that passengers have legs that reach all the way to the ground.
I particularly favor airlines that are aware that passengers have legs that reach all the way to the ground.
Air Dominicana never got off the ground because a side of the investors never wanted to agree to a chief executive being hired from the industry instead of a family appointment from the same group.
that information will have no impact on my wait and see attitude in this matter. i hope that safety will prevail.
one would have thought that a bunch of guys who were bringing cutting edge ideas to the aviation industry could have figured out who was going to run the thing long before putting it together.
As a person with substantial knowledge about aviation business, I would have never gotten old DC9s. There are plenty of 737 classics (733, 734) that can be leased on the cheap. Also pilot training would be cheaper than for DC9s, and you would be training pilots for the same type rating for 737 NG use in the future. Or other option to get some of the older stored A320s or A319s, some of the 15 year old birds can be gotten on the cheap and if you make a deal with the lessor they could maybe even D-check the birds for you. All in all, really weird ideas of PAWA on how to startup an airline . I had a talk about PAWA with some people from Dominican Wings and they preferred not to "comment". Dominican Wings is backed by an Estonian ACMI specialist, the same one that helped WOW air to get off the ground.
I too have substantial knowledge and experience working in the airlines. And I can tell you that the best way to make a small fortune with an airline, is to start with a large one!
We're all waiting with baited breath to see what's going to happen with Dominican Wings. The company that I work for have the maintenance contract for it, so you folks can rest assured that at least the maintenance will be carried out by European EASA qualified engineers and not Dominicans. But we've just been told that they are sending us a set of engines covers! That doesn't bode well!
The story I've heard so far is that it's not IDAC putting on the brakes for DW, but some pilot's union throwing into the mix. Anyway whatever the reason, it's political.
As for PAWA, let's see. The principal behind this is Simeon Garcia, the Venezuelan owner of Santa Barbara and Aserca. He's seen the writing on the wall for Venezuela and wants to venture somewhere elsewhere. Good luck I say, but if ti runs anything like Santa Barbara or Aserca, then it will be a shambles. They won't need a flight timetable, just a calendar!
We're all waiting with baited breath to see what's going to happen with Dominican Wings. The company that I work for have the maintenance contract for it, so you folks can rest assured that at least the maintenance will be carried out by European EASA qualified engineers and not Dominicans. But we've just been told that they are sending us a set of engines covers! That doesn't bode well!
The story I've heard so far is that it's not IDAC putting on the brakes for DW, but some pilot's union throwing into the mix. Anyway whatever the reason, it's political.
As for PAWA, let's see. The principal behind this is Simeon Garcia, the Venezuelan owner of Santa Barbara and Aserca. He's seen the writing on the wall for Venezuela and wants to venture somewhere elsewhere. Good luck I say, but if ti runs anything like Santa Barbara or Aserca, then it will be a shambles. They won't need a flight timetable, just a calendar!
Im Dominican and I feel proud that finally we will have a Dominican Airline, no matter if is with old planes, they has been certified by IDAC who is one of the institutions that has been doing very good job to keep Dominican Rep. in the category 1.
First this is the PAWA Fleet not all their planes are DC-9.
DC-9-32 HI-869
DC-9-31 HI-937 Stored at SDQ (aun no saben si le haran Servicio o como fuente)
DC-9-32 HI-965 Maintenance at SDQ (dentro de hangar)
MD-82 HI-914
MD-83 HI-977 Stored at SDQ (Posicion CH13)
MD-83 N598SH Stored at OPF
MD-87 HI-978 Stored at SDQ (Posicion CH13)
MD-87 N599SH Maintenance at OPF.
For now to fligh between caribbean island from here is not necesary big planes for now, The competition is very good that will bring to has better prices.
Aruba, Curazao and Saint Marteen has etnic pax from the Dominican Republic and recently Dominicans that grant a turist visa from USA, Canada or Schengen can travel to these 3 caribbean island so there is a big market now to travel there, bedside that those islands receive a lot turist that could be intrested in visiting Santo Domingo.
They will start serving Aruba, Curazao and Saint Marteen. Everything is setup to start services there, PAWA just received the authorizacion from Junta de Aviacion Civil also to fly to La Habana, San Juan, Miamia and New York that will sstar serving few month after start service in first 3 destinations. Are processing now with the authorities from Cuba and USA the paperwork they need to fly there.
To fly USA they plan to lease diferent kind of plane biger, they plan to use B767 to take advantage of the freight to JFK and MIA.
Im plan visit Saint Marteen, hope you support the new Dominican Airline too.
My major concern with PAWA is with the maintenance. As a professional aircraft engineer with over 27 years in the industry I have my doubts over the competence of Dominican mechanics to maintain this elderly fleet to a satisfactory level.
Aircraft maintenance isn't just about fixing broken planes, that's the easy part. Anyone with a basic knowledge of mechanics can fix a plane, because they are designed to be fixed easily. The thing that separates an aircraft engineer from any other mechanic is that they are always thinking "what if" and the consequences of their actions. Unfortunately with Dominican mechanics I have seen time and time again when a grounded aircraft has left the ground, they applaud themselves on a job well done. Just because it took off, does that mean they did a good job? Not in my book it doesn't. In my opinion the Dominican mechanics I have met do not possess the discipline to maintain aircraft.
All aircraft maintenance manuals are written in English. One requires a very good level of technical English to be able to follow a manual to the letter, and sometimes it is imperative that you follow the manual to the letter. I have only met a handful of Dominican mechanics with that level of English, the majority having a US background or education. I'm afraid that the home grown ones don't cut the mustard.
Tool control is sloppy. From my first day as an apprentice it is drummed into you how important tool control is. You account for every tool and consumable that you take to the aircraft and account for it once you've finished. If a tool is missing, no one goes home and the aircraft does not fly until it has been found. Just imagine what could happen if a pair of pliers found themselves jammed in a control system. You're trundling down the runway at two hundred miles an hour, the pilot pulls back on this control column and nothing happens! It's that serious!
Has anyone met a Dominican who understands electrics? I haven't. Planes have miles and miles of wiring. The practices of maintaining this wiring on aircraft has undergone a huge revolution since planes started falling out of the sky from bad wiring. I have to undergo very strict training every two years to remind me of that fact. Dominicans don't.
These planes are old. The oldest DC9 is over forty years old. Properly maintained it would not be an issue to keep to flying, but the FAA have implemented special rules to keep older planes in the air. Transport Airplanes – Aging Aircraft Program Has IDAC? Not that I'm aware of.
Corrosion is the biggest concern for these older aircraft. Again, not an issue of the inspections are done correctly and repairs are made once found. But it's the inspections that are critical. I am an authorized inspector and I do not even know if the Dominican Civil Aviation Authority have a qualification for this.
So in my own area of expertise I will reserve judgement on this operation..................
Aircraft maintenance isn't just about fixing broken planes, that's the easy part. Anyone with a basic knowledge of mechanics can fix a plane, because they are designed to be fixed easily. The thing that separates an aircraft engineer from any other mechanic is that they are always thinking "what if" and the consequences of their actions. Unfortunately with Dominican mechanics I have seen time and time again when a grounded aircraft has left the ground, they applaud themselves on a job well done. Just because it took off, does that mean they did a good job? Not in my book it doesn't. In my opinion the Dominican mechanics I have met do not possess the discipline to maintain aircraft.
All aircraft maintenance manuals are written in English. One requires a very good level of technical English to be able to follow a manual to the letter, and sometimes it is imperative that you follow the manual to the letter. I have only met a handful of Dominican mechanics with that level of English, the majority having a US background or education. I'm afraid that the home grown ones don't cut the mustard.
Tool control is sloppy. From my first day as an apprentice it is drummed into you how important tool control is. You account for every tool and consumable that you take to the aircraft and account for it once you've finished. If a tool is missing, no one goes home and the aircraft does not fly until it has been found. Just imagine what could happen if a pair of pliers found themselves jammed in a control system. You're trundling down the runway at two hundred miles an hour, the pilot pulls back on this control column and nothing happens! It's that serious!
Has anyone met a Dominican who understands electrics? I haven't. Planes have miles and miles of wiring. The practices of maintaining this wiring on aircraft has undergone a huge revolution since planes started falling out of the sky from bad wiring. I have to undergo very strict training every two years to remind me of that fact. Dominicans don't.
These planes are old. The oldest DC9 is over forty years old. Properly maintained it would not be an issue to keep to flying, but the FAA have implemented special rules to keep older planes in the air. Transport Airplanes – Aging Aircraft Program Has IDAC? Not that I'm aware of.
Corrosion is the biggest concern for these older aircraft. Again, not an issue of the inspections are done correctly and repairs are made once found. But it's the inspections that are critical. I am an authorized inspector and I do not even know if the Dominican Civil Aviation Authority have a qualification for this.
So in my own area of expertise I will reserve judgement on this operation..................
Why is it that all your "SPIN DOCTOR POSTS" about the DR use the words,..."proposed" "planned" "expected to", "soon","once"???????????????????????????????????
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lets see if "bronzy" get on board, although she rarely visits the DR ANYWAY!!!!!
You are, Soooooooooooooooooooooooo Dominican!!!!
All but two of the planes you listed are "stored" and not even flying!!!
"More,"Orgullo de Mi Tierra",......"FALSO"!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You post like the "P-man", lots of "planned", and"will", no, "as we speak"
I "WILL BELIEVE" THAT "pawa" is actually up and flying when I see news footage of their plane crashing into the ocean!!!
And you need to stop with your lies for you know absolutely nothing about me or what I do.
Your reason for being on DR1 is to discredit Dominicans and the DR.
Oh if only your Dominican family were aware of how you talk about Dominicans
and the country.
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Perhaps you forgot this.....though I am sure those that got left holding the proverbial bag remember;
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/lo...fault-on-debts-in-the-millions-diariolibrecom
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
Beeza, why the concern about the maintenance ? This is not the first time that the DR has had aircrafts and they were maintained well.
Fact:
There are currently 4 flights and back per week from SDQ to St Marteen, 4 flights per week and back to Curacao and one flight and back per week to Aruba.
Only at peak periods are these flights full and you can get discounted tickets online with ease most of the time.
The airline flying these routes have been in business for over 20 years and have a newer fleet and markets vacation packages too.
The same airline saw off competition from a start up airline DAE which went bankrupt last year I believe stranding passengers in SDQ.
Insel Air.
PAWA are starting up by competing with an established airline who know the routes and passenger demand which have proven not to be able to support more airline traffic and they are offering to fly passengers in very old planes.
Best of luck to them.
There are currently 4 flights and back per week from SDQ to St Marteen, 4 flights per week and back to Curacao and one flight and back per week to Aruba.
Only at peak periods are these flights full and you can get discounted tickets online with ease most of the time.
The airline flying these routes have been in business for over 20 years and have a newer fleet and markets vacation packages too.
The same airline saw off competition from a start up airline DAE which went bankrupt last year I believe stranding passengers in SDQ.
Insel Air.
PAWA are starting up by competing with an established airline who know the routes and passenger demand which have proven not to be able to support more airline traffic and they are offering to fly passengers in very old planes.
Best of luck to them.
Just as long as it does not change its name to Merengue Airlines.....that was tried already....and I do not believe they ever boarded a single passenger.
Merengue Airlines Dominicana iniciar? vuelos a Rep?blica Dominicana
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
Where do you choose to live again????????????????????
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Pichado must be a good friend of Hans Denenburg?????????????