PICHARDO,If your theory were true
Out of interest; Where have you smelled JP-5?
Rather than answer all of your posts PICHARDO, I consolidated my answers here
First; if the fuel dumping were as prevalent as you allege, the aircraft following in line would be constantly suffering one of two problems: Complete failure due to compressor ingestion of jet fuel instead of air, or one hell of an "afterburner" effect if the fuel got into the hot combustion chamber.
"Some" aircraft, and generally only "heavy" aircraft are equipped with fuel dumps (Excluding military where many tactical also can dump, especially Naval Variants) for the sole purpose of meeting max allowed landing weight when forced to return shortly after takeoff and are heavy with fuel
How many carriers do you believe "dump" $10-20,000.00 dollars of fuel on a routine basis when that means writing off 40 or so paying seats?
You also mention some of the fuel lands on the ground and evaporates: so easy to check, just look for all the dead plant life, jet Fuel is not a good fertilizer.
It was also mentioned that STI was the only airport that suffered do to an inland approach: first, why wouldn't the PIC dump over the ocean where he was about 10 minutes previously? Second, why don't cities like Denver and Mexico City smell like pigs? They are far more susceptible to trapped air currents
The ONLY time dumping would be considered would be if there was a chance of structural (Not routine replacement items such a brakes) damage from overweight
Do you also believe in "Chem trails?"
Ask anybody with a little more knowledge on this issue before you expose your ignorant rants to all...
To try and make you look like a bona-fide "I didn't know that!" jack:
The rules as posted in my initial reply means that Jets that require dumping excess fuel before a landing must get permission from the CT miles out from the LS. Second, they shouldn't dump near or in the vicinity of the airport as to avoid flare ups by the exhaust of incoming traffic behind catching' up with some heavy mist cloud. Third, they DO this all the time in all major airports around the world mainly due to the delay from busy hours to tropical weather patterns. The extra fuel or safety fuel is to be used to operate the aircraft should a scenario like the above plays out. Most airlines turn to that to save on tires and landing gear excess tear and wear, not solely because of bad weather or etc...
The cold air reference means the air that rushes by as the Jet uses their flaps to control descend at the high rate of speed they do the approach and final landing into the tarmac below. The cold air is present due to the aerodynamics of the plane is colder as in lower temp than the air that's hitting the airframe with high degrees of friction and thus creating a higher temp on the stream...
Am I going too technical for you here?
JFK one of the busier airports in the east coast, is de facto a dumping ground for jet fuel in the bay some miles off the strip, the same "odors" are present from time to time to the residents of the local communities there (myself one) ever since they built the first home at such closeness to it.
It all has to do with air speed, temp, barometric pressure and a host of other factors too many to list and frankly, I don't care to explain in any more detail if you get my meaning...
So, unless you have ever taken a sniff at some Jet fuel or at the very least a tad of JP5, don't say that it doesn't stink just like a pigsty...
BTW: My family owns a "Finca" in Santiago, where we still keep pigs around and to the best of my sorry for my nose recollection: Pigsties don't even come close to Jet fuel in reeking about foul odor...
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I don't understand you comments. Jet a and Jet A-1 are near identical, Jet A having a slightly higher freeze point, slightly more kerosene
Why you would you even mention JP 5 in relation to a civilian Airport is mystifying as it is used exclusively aboard carriers due to the higher flash points, and yes it smells very bad from additives
A Navy plane fueled in an emergency by an Air Force Tanker with JP-8, is prohibited from being stowed below decks in the hangar until the entire plane has been gutted, tanks cleaned and so forth
Did you possibly mean JP-8 used by the Air Force which is almost identical to your Jet A-1 with addition of de-icer, anti corrosives and so forth?
The only fuel mentioned at a Civilian Airport which might have a strong odor would be JP 8 due to increased additives and "greasy" feel, and I haven?t seen many USAF planes landing at STI, especially dumping fuel as any heavy US transports will land with heavy loads due to very heavy construction
Maybe you have a bunch of Raptors at STI?
From PICHARDO>>>
"Oh wait! Wasn't that a military jet just now over in the air? And it's carrying some duds under the wings!........ Later turns out our "Boyz" were transporting "Nuclear" tipped war heads on the missiles... "Sorry!" a little slip of rules...<<<<
If you are referring to that one out of 10,000 flight where the Big Ugly Fat Fuc* overflew the US with 6 cruise missiles, they screwed up, were either discharged or demoted and I believe criminal charges are pending
The USAF hasn't carried live Nuclear missiles or bombs since the 60's on training runs, there was zero possibility of a nuclear explosion but there was a real possibility of radiation being spread (Actually a very small amount in the tips of cruise missiles) but that would have necessitated the 52 crashing, the containers in the warheads that are designed to withstand the crash splitting open, it could have but?
Too technical for me? Not at all, Too far retched and filled with Internet "knowledge," certainly
