"Posing" After Hitting A Home Run!

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rellosk said:
I agree with you that BT is entertaining (how's that for word twisting:)), but I disagree with your assessment of Harold Reynolds. I remember a couple of segments (not sure it was BT) where he got out of his seat and they set up a little Baseball Diamond where he proceeded to explain some intricacy of the game. I remember being impressed by the insight he gave.
That's when they're what they should be; teachers of the finer points. They seem to shy away from that for some reason. I really liked those efforts.

I believe I first heard Harold as a game announcer and he was horrific, apparently I was scorned.

He's got considerable knowledge, but I find his delivery poor - at best. For someone working in the media, I would expect that to be a prerequisite for the job.

Maybe it's gotten better, I gave up on it.
 

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Cleef said:
I believe I first heard Harold as a game announcer and he was horrific, apparently I was scorned.

He's got considerable knowledge, but I find his delivery poor - at best. For someone working in the media, I would expect that to be a prerequisite for the job.
Talk about horrific, wait till you hear Tino Martinez. I was a big Tino fan when he was playing but as an sportscaster, ugh...
 

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Cleef said:
But, their mission isn't to be informative, it's to be entertaining. That can be bombastic (John Kruk), suave, but hardly literate (Harold Reynolds) and authoritative (Steve Phillips was a GM in NY) but thoroughly incompetent.

I will no doubt admit that my viewpoints are in the minority, but I despise their format and what lengths they go to make stories out of thin (hot) air. I've had enough Peter Gammons to last me a lifetime; he went to "pay-for" services on ESPN, so I'm no longer even tempted to read his special interest stories.

If you stopped to time the amount of information vs. commercialism you get in a typical ESPN broadcast you'd be amazed.
Well, my belief is that they are there to inform more than entertain.

That SOME of the DO go overboard, of course.

I must say that I much rather listen to people that have played the game than anyone that has never put a glove on.

I much rather listen to people like Tino Martinez (awful commentator), Harold Reynolds (worse than Martinez), Buck Martinez (ok), Buck Showalter (ok), John Kruk (ok but tells it like is it) and a few other former big leaguers than to a Joe Shmo that knows crap about baseball.

Let me tell you a little secret, when I saw Harold Reynolds on BT after he had that career ending injury, I thought to myself "what in hell is Harold doing there, the guy was awful giving interviews when he was playing". I swear, and you will not believe this: I used to push the "mute" botton on my remote when he was talking. He was painful to listen to. Now, and to be honest, he is doing a little better. Still bad, but better.

Now, all those guys were big leaguers therefore they know what they are talking about.

But you are right, stop showing me that fricking catch 20 times in 30 minutes, once or twice is enough!.

Btw, listening to Tino Martinez, to me, feels like if I were "cleaning" my butt with sandpaper, Ouch!.
 
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miguel said:
Btw, listening to Tino Martinez, to me, feels like if I were "cleaning" my butt with sandpaper, Ouch!.
I'm sorry to hear that. He's such a good guy.

Another reason I'm glad I don't watch it anymore. I can keep my good opinion of Tino intact.
 

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I agree with Miguel. I'm a Red Sox fan but I don't care for such bush league displays.

I forget who the football player was but his father told him something like "If you get a touchdown act as if you've been in the end zone before."

Character counts.

That would be Barry Sanders father. If you watch Barry Sanders highlights (and there are a lot of them)...whenever he scored a touchdown, he merely flipped the football to the ref and went to the sidelines.

I don't mind a baseball player staring at the home-run...as long as he is kinda making a slow move towards first-base. Just don't stand there and stare.
 

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Cleef said:
I'm sorry to hear that. He's such a good guy.

Another reason I'm glad I don't watch it anymore. I can keep my good opinion of Tino intact.
Just because, in my book, he is a lousy commentator does not mean that I don't like the guy.

He is one of the true gentlemen of the game. I have been admiring him for years and I will still do, even if it's paintful watching him on BT. I tell you thin, though, I much rather listen to him than to Harold, that's for sure!.

BTW, anybody knows for who long will Albert Pujols be out due to his injury?.
 

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I read this recently.

Manny Ramirez has 18 homer vs. NY since the beginning of 2004. The longest 3-year streak of any player vs. one team since 1967.

Planet Manny will be at 450 (regular season) HR's after 7 more.
 

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Cleef said:
I read this recently.

Manny Ramirez has 18 homer vs. NY since the beginning of 2004. The longest 3-year streak of any player vs. one team since 1967.

Planet Manny will be at 450 (regular season) HR's after 7 more.


For the young man like Mr. Rodriguez....that can actually play the field, and many more years to come..... but don't worry manny can always open up a hot dog stand, if he can communicate with people.:rolleyes: :)

But I'll save the best for last .... Mr....D.J. BOTH hall of Famers RIGHT NOW.:)
 

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easygoin said:
For the young man like Mr. Rodriguez....that can actually play the field, and many more years to come..... but don't worry manny can always open up a hot dog stand, if he can communicate with people.:rolleyes: :)

But I'll save the best for last .... Mr....D.J. BOTH hall of Famers RIGHT NOW.:)
Yesterday, while watching the Yankess-Boston game, I saw one of the most sickening call made against Alex Rodriguez.

A hard drive that was clearly a hit was called an error. I, immediately, went back and watched it about 5 times and I could not believe that they had called it an error.

All of a sudden, I hear Joe Morgan being saying how annoyed he was that they had called it an error. He went on and on about how unfair it was and how, not even in NY, Alex can not catch/get a break!. He also mentioned that if it were Jeter on third, that call would had never been called an error since Jeter is Mr. New York and can't do no wrong.

Morgan could not stop talking about it and I just happened to agree with everything he was saying.

I guess that his comment were heard loud and clear because a few innings later, the call was changed to a hit.

But like he said, more or less, if you already told millions of people that it was an error, what's the point of changing it after the fact.
 

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Cleef said:
I read this recently.

Manny Ramirez has 18 homer vs. NY since the beginning of 2004. The longest 3-year streak of any player vs. one team since 1967.

Planet Manny will be at 450 (regular season) HR's after 7 more.


Manny is batting .500 against the Yankees this season. :)


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miguel said:
Yesterday, while watching the Yankess-Boston game, I saw one of the most sickening call made against Alex Rodriguez.

A hard drive that was clearly a hit was called an error. I, immediately, went back and watched it about 5 times and I could not believe that they had called it an error.

All of a sudden, I hear Joe Morgan being saying how annoyed he was that they had called it an error. He went on and on about how unfair it was and how, not even in NY, Alex can not catch/get a break!. He also mentioned that if it were Jeter on third, that call would had never been called an error since Jeter is Mr. New York and can't do no wrong.

Morgan could not stop talking about it and I just happened to agree with everything he was saying.



I guess that his comment were heard loud and clear because a few innings later, the call was changed to a hit.

But like he said, more or less, if you already told millions of people that it was an error, what's the point of changing it after the fact.


In news is reported as fact. In sports is the broadcaster's opinion?



I respect Joe Morgan .....BUT the ball did not take no bad hop off the dirt....clean.Grant you off the grass, New York is one of the toughest infields in baseball.... but that should have been swallowed up in a routine play.


Mr. Morgan played second base.....so he can talk about third .....BUTT NEVER PLAYED IT .

Infielders are taught gloves down..... fast reaction time up to the body.... because it's natural.


His glove was down and never come up in time.Sure it was hit hard BUT you dont pay that kind of money TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.


After the play ....just look at his face,that tell's the true story.;)
 

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miguel said:
Yesterday, while watching the Yankess-Boston game, I saw one of the most sickening call made against Alex Rodriguez.

A hard drive that was clearly a hit was called an error. I, immediately, went back and watched it about 5 times and I could not believe that they had called it an error.

All of a sudden, I hear Joe Morgan being saying how annoyed he was that they had called it an error. He went on and on about how unfair it was and how, not even in NY, Alex can not catch/get a break!. He also mentioned that if it were Jeter on third, that call would had never been called an error since Jeter is Mr. New York and can't do no wrong.

Morgan could not stop talking about it and I just happened to agree with everything he was saying.



I guess that his comment were heard loud and clear because a few innings later, the call was changed to a hit.

But like he said, more or less, if you already told millions of people that it was an error, what's the point of changing it after the fact.


In news is reported as fact. In sports is the broadcaster's opinion?



I respect Joe Morgan .....BUT the ball did not take no bad hop off the dirt....clean.Grant you off the grass, New York is one of the toughest infields in baseball.... but that should have been swallowed up in a routine play.


Mr. Morgan played second base.....so he can talk about third .....BUTT NEVER PLAYED IT .

Infielders are taught gloves down..... fast reaction time up to the body.... because it's natural.


His glove was down and never come up in time.Sure it was hit hard BUT you dont pay that kind of money TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.


After the play ....just look at his face,that tell's the true story.;)
 

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miguel said:
But like he said, more or less, if you already told millions of people that it was an error, what's the point of changing it after the fact.
Stats .
 

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rellosk said:
Very true but:

Did you heard the story that Morgan told, about what happened to him when he hit something that he thought was a hit and they called it an error, and then, after the game, in the locker toom, he was told that it was going to be changed and they were going to give him a hit?.

To SOME of these ballplayers, pride counts more than just one hit. I don't think that just one hit would make such a big difference when you are a superstar.
 

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miguel said:
All of a sudden, I hear Joe Morgan being saying how annoyed he was that they had called it an error. He went on and on about how unfair it was and how, not even in NY, Alex can not catch/get a break!. He also mentioned that if it were Jeter on third, that call would had never been called an error since Jeter is Mr. New York and can't do no wrong.

Morgan could not stop talking about it and I just happened to agree with everything he was saying.

I guess that his comment were heard loud and clear because a few innings later, the call was changed to a hit.

But like he said, more or less, if you already told millions of people that it was an error, what's the point of changing it after the fact.
The point - I hope - is to get the call correct.

What they tell the audience isn't a "promise", it's the official scorekeeper's call - which can change after more consideration.

I can think of two times this year where errors were turned into hits - the DAY AFTER the game.

Perhaps the perennial MVP has elevated people's expectations to absurd levels - the scorekeeper in this instance. However, the scorekeeper presumably does this for a living too. It was in NY right? I doubt that's a temp job. Maybe that's Potato Salad's evening gig, hence the nice seats he gets for all these games.

Or, perhaps its because MeRod's got 10 errors already - and some BRUTAL ones at that (the second most in all of MLB at 3b).

Lucky for him, his "fellow Dominican buddy" *** Encarnacion has 4 more, to lead the entire Major Leagues. Not Juan Encarnacion mind you, this one (Edwin) has yet to start his 100th career game in the Majors. Lofty company.

Thank you for the opportunity to pick on MeRod, it's been days!

As for Joe Morgan, he and John Miller are the best tandem by a long margin over any other TV pairing. I wish I got to see Morgan play, and he's a really good commentator, but he has his moments too. He overwhelmingly takes the players side (completely understandable considering his access and relationships within the game) in any call or debate, right or sometimes wrong - even when replay clearly disagrees with him. It's disrupted the flow of calling the game at times as his pairing (not always Miller) is - it seems - thrown by his disagreement with the obvious.

I feel like a reborn sports fan now that I don't watch ESPN. I sense Morgan was putting drama into the game for the purpose of his own agenda - sticking up for MeRod. ESPN loves it, again they aim to serve their marketers, and drama in sports is a huge draw for advertisers (ESPN is owned by ABC, no longer an independant sports outlet).

I understand my opinions on this may be jaded and 'off the charts' in the minority, but I've had my fill of the foolishness. MeRod's a great player, he's had a crap year at 3b and it's not the scorekeeper's fault. We're maybe a third of the way into a very long season. Big deal.

Is he held to a higher level of expectation than most? Probably. But why shouldn't he? He's the best player in the game and gets paid that way. What's so wrong with that?

(***c'mon..... that's funny)
 
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Cleef said:
The point - I hope - is to get the call correct.

What they tell the audience isn't a "promise", it was the official scorekeeper's call - which can change after more consideration.

I can think of two times this year where errors were turned into hits - the DAY AFTER the game.

Perhaps the perennial MVP has elevated people's expectations to absurd levels - the scorekeeper in this instance. However, the scorekeeper presumably does this for a living too. It was in NY right? I doubt that's a temp job. Maybe that's Potato Salad's evening gig, hence the nice seats he gets for all these games.

Or, perhaps its because MeRod's got 10 errors already - and some BRUTAL ones at that (the second most in all of MLB at 3b).

Lucky for him, his "fellow Dominican buddy"*** Encarnacion has a handful more to lead the entire Major Leagues. Not Juan Encarnacion mind you, this one (Edwin) has yet to start his 100th career game in the Majors. Lofty company.

Thank you for that opportunity to pick on MeRod, it's been days!

As for Joe Morgan, he and John Miller are the best tandem by a long margin over any other TV pairing. I wish I got to see Morgan play, and he's a really good commentator, but he has his moments too. He overwhelmingly takes the players side (completely understandable considering his access and relationships within the game) in any call or debate, right or sometimes wrong - even when replay clearly disagrees with him. It's disrupted the flow of calling the game at times as his pairing (not always Miller) is - it seems - thrown by his disagreement with the obvious.

I feel like a reborn sports fan now that I don't watch ESPN. I sense Morgan was putting drama into the game for the purpose of his own agenda - sticking up for MeRod. ESPN loves it, again they aim to serve their marketers, and drama in sports is a huge draw for advertisers (they're owned by ABC, no longer an independant sports outlet).

I understand my opinions on this may be jaded and off the charts in the minority, but I have had my fill of the foolishness. MeRod's a great player, he's had a crap year at 3b and it's not the scorekeeper's fault. We're maybe a third of the way into a very long season. Big deal.

Is he held to a higher level of expectation than most? Probably. But why shouldn't he? He's the best player in the game and gets paid that way. What's so wrong with that?

(***c'mon..... that's funny)
The "problem" that I have with the call is NOT that they changed it, that is done regularly, the issue here is that it was clearly NOT an error.

That ball was hit so hard that Rodriguez had no time to react to it. It was so fast that by the time he reacted, the ball had, sort of, already passed him.

There was no need to change it to beging with since it was clearly an error. But, what do I know.
 

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According to West Coast statistician Bill Arnold, Manny Ramirez needed fewer at-bats to reach 450 career home runs than anyone but Mark McGwire (5,092), Babe Ruth (5,245) and Harmon Killebrew (5,845).
 

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Cleef said:
According to West Coast statistician Bill Arnold, Manny Ramirez needed fewer at-bats to reach 450 career home runs than anyone but Mark McGwire (5,092), Babe Ruth (5,245) and Harmon Killebrew (5,845).
Your favorite Yankee is not far behind (assuming he makes it to 450 :) )
 

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Cleef said:
According to West Coast statistician Bill Arnold, Manny Ramirez needed fewer at-bats to reach 450 career home runs than anyone but Mark McGwire (5,092), Babe Ruth (5,245) and Harmon Killebrew (5,845).
Since I don't follow Boston, can you tell me in how many at-bats did he do it?.

Maybe if he showed a little more discipline from time to time, he would had read it much faster!.

I say that because sometimes I feel like he is not having fun, that he is just there to complete his job and go home.
 

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miguel said:
Since I don't follow Boston, can you tell me in how many at-bats did he do it?.
Roughly 6300 at-bats.

miguel said:
Maybe if he showed a little more discipline from time to time, he would had read it much faster!.
He has over 1,000 walks. In my book a if a players on-base percentage is 100 points higher than is batting average, that makes him disciplined.

miguel said:
I say that because sometimes I feel like he is not having fun, that he is just there to complete his job and go home.
I get the impression that he enjoys playing. Certainly, much like Reggie Jackson did in his day, Manny seems to enjoy "playing to the crowds".