Rocky's Aqua End of the Line

[frank12]

Only a color that would make people look jaundiced instead of like death warmed over would have been worse, but I thought it was just me. I did not frequent the location and its previous business and it certainly was less attractive after the make over.

Glad we understand now the how and why of the legal obligations to the employees that were taken care of. Nothing altruistic about that.

Any results from the courts on what is next?

That's technically not true. When the place was foreclosed on, he didn't have to pay anyone anything. He did pay it. And he wouldn't have it any other way. Both Big Frank and Rocky have always been more then fair with their staff and employees.

Regarding the color scheme. I understand people either hated or liked it. I liked it. Other people liked it. It let natural light into the place. It also replaced an asbestos leaking roof that had been there since the early 90's.

If you want to debate aesthetics and color choices and say, "The reason i didn't go there was because of a Blue roof." That's disingenuous. I know exactly who went there. The people who came to watch football wouldn't care if the roof was pink, yellow, or purple.

The place got cleaned up, and that's a good thing. It lost it's Irish charm in the process, and that's a bad thing. It's a delicate balance, and not everyone is going to agree on what roof, what color scheme, and what things should be hanging from the ceiling, etc.

The decorations and roof color is subjective, and you are never going to please everyone. Some people liked it, some people hated it. The people who hated it tended to be people who didn't frequent the place anyway. The people who liked it or didn't care, were coming for the football games, Superbowl, burgers, the staff, the people, location on the beach, etc.

I never heard anyone say, "Let's not go there because they have a blue roof!"

 

[bigbird]

How about some before and after pictures????????

 

[cobraboy]

That's technically not true. When the place was foreclosed on, he didn't have to pay anyone anything. He did pay it. And he wouldn't have it any other way. Both Big Frank and Rocky have always been more then fair with their staff and employees.

Unless I have been poorly advised, neither foreclosure nor bankruptcy absolves a business owner of liquidation liability under the law.

 

[william webster]

Be careful, or Deviate gonna take out her strap and whip your a$$!

for the interested, the calculator is here:
https://calculo.mt.gob.do/

frank's formula is somewhat close enough, it's about a month's salary per each year of work (or a cut of thereof if it's less than a year) but it's based on the last 12 months of wages. so if a person started at 10k pesos but finished on 20k pesos a month the liquidation will look at the data from last year. then there is also holidays, the proportion of the salary, notice and so on. he simply worded it badly when he shared the info.

in any case, it's a good decision. if the business may be closed for months or even years it makes no financial sense to continue paying salaries. it only extends employment period that would still count for liquidation calculation. and one can always re-employ the workers if the problem is solved earlier than anticipated. and some people receive enough money to be able to open a small business of their own.

I'm doing my best...

I thought I was bringing the teacher an apple....

 

[windeguy]

That's technically not true. When the place was foreclosed on, he didn't have to pay anyone anything. He did pay it. And he wouldn't have it any other way. Both Big Frank and Rocky have always been more then fair with their staff and employees.


If the employees went to the labor board, please tell me what would have happened, technically or not. Technically I was not liable to pay people that were fired for not showing up or even quitting, but I had to any way according to documents produced by the labor board at the former employees request

Regarding the color scheme. I understand people either hated or liked it. I liked it. Other people liked it. It let natural light into the place. It also replaced an asbestos leaking roof that had been there since the early 90's.


If you want to debate aesthetics and color choices and say, "The reason i didn't go there was because of a Blue roof." That's disingenuous. I know exactly who went there. The people who came to watch football wouldn't care if the roof was pink, yellow, or purple.

The place got cleaned up, and that's a good thing. It lost it's Irish charm in the process, and that's a bad thing. It's a delicate balance, and not everyone is going to agree on what roof, what color scheme, and what things should be hanging from the ceiling, etc.

The decorations and roof color is subjective, and you are never going to please everyone. Some people liked it, some people hated it. The people who hated it tended to be people who didn't frequent the place anyway. The people who liked it or didn't care, were coming for the football games, Superbowl, burgers, the staff, the people, location on the beach, etc.

I never heard anyone say, "Let's not go there because they have a blue roof!"

I already mentioned I didn't like the blue color inside that was cast by the blue panels, yet it was not a significant reason for not frequenting the place. I never said it was. The roof looks just fine from the outside.

The only sports I watch are Yankee Baseball and a very occasional tennis match. I would rather go to a place that had a band playing.

I don't think anyone said the blue roof was a significant reason for not going there, other than you making that conclusion. That blue roof is apparently the least of the locales problems at the moment.

 

[SKY]

Unless I have been poorly advised, neither foreclosure nor bankruptcy absolves a business owner of liquidation liability under the law.

Absolutely correct. If he did not pay he would have been in store for another loser in Court.

 

[Guthrie]

Yes, exactly.

There are not many beaches where you see an authentic Irish bar right near the water.
It stood out from the traditional beach bars.
A little bit of Cheers. It was a turn key operation. Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Tamborista]

my grandmother always used to like your posts

Hey Apple,

Welcome to dr1, how are you?

 

[Tarheel]

Frank12, you know what's going on with the whole thing. So is it about the condition of the kitchen equipment? If so why did Rocky fail to do the due diligence before he bought the place? Did the contract state equipment would be of good working order at point of sale? Did the contract give Rocky the right to alter the contract based on undisclosed equipment problems? I would just like to know the details of the dispute. It has been in court so it's public record. Give us the lowdown. Thank you.

 

[SKY]

I can answer that for you. The place was sold as is. This guy had 6 months to look at the equipment and everything else before he decided to go ahead and buy. Any other answer you get is total BS.....................

 

[oriole100]

The whole place was redone. The kitchen equip. was replaced. I guess it just lost it's former charm.

 

[frank12]

I can answer that for you. The place was sold as is. This guy had 6 months to look at the equipment and everything else before he decided to go ahead and buy. Any other answer you get is total BS.....................

Sky,

That is incorrect. There was a contract signed by both men. Have you seen it yet? Things were promised to be in certain shape. Were they as promised? People promised something was going to be operational. Were they operational? Certain things were said to be functional. Were they functional?

As much experience as you have, you certainly know that there are two sides to every story. I'm not here to take a side. Again, i have no dog in the fight. I'm friends with both men. I understand both sides to the story. It has no effect on me who wins or loses. Your devotion to Big Frank in this case is admirable, but extremely subjective. You're not being objective. We only get to hear your side. I get it. I know how you feel about Big Frank. I know your relationship to him. I get that too. He's my friend as well. But there needs to be some balance here.

So far, we've only heard your side of the story. No one as of yet has given Rocky's side of the story. I'm not here to give it. I'm not getting in the middle of what amounts to two businessmen have a litigation issue over promises that were, or were not met.

I know what's going on here. We will continue to get your side of the story. And only your side. I get that. We will continue to get your subjective opinions as well. I get that too.

You want to continue calling things BS...well, I'm sorry, that's not going to solve anything. It's not going to stop anything. The court battle will go on with or without your opinion. In the end, the court will decide who is right and who is wrong.

 

[RDKNIGHT]

north coast is a half of step away from becoming the next SPM

 

[SKY]

Sky,

That is incorrect. There was a contract signed by both men. Have you seen it yet? Things were promised to be in certain shape. Were they as promised? People promised something was going to be operational. Were they operational? Certain things were said to be functional. Were they functional?

As much experience as you have, you certainly know that there are two sides to every story. I'm not here to take a side. Again, i have no dog in the fight. I'm friends with both men. I understand both sides to the story. It has no effect on me who wins or loses. Your devotion to Big Frank in this case is admirable, but extremely subjective. You're not being objective. We only get to hear your side. I get it. I know how you feel about Big Frank. I know your relationship to him. I get that too. He's my friend as well. But there needs to be some balance here.

So far, we've only heard your side of the story. No one as of yet has given Rocky's side of the story. I'm not here to give it. I'm not getting in the middle of what amounts to two businessmen have a litigation issue over promises that were, or were not met.

I know what's going on here. We will continue to get your side of the story. And only your side. I get that. We will continue to get your subjective opinions as well. I get that too.

You want to continue calling things BS...well, I'm sorry, that's not going to solve anything. It's not going to stop anything. The court battle will go on with or without your opinion. In the end, the court will decide who is right and who is wrong.

I will say this because it is a quote from your good friend Big Frank. "He had six months to check on everything and he chose to buy the place." Now you can contact your good friend Frank and see if this is an accurate quote.

For someone that claims to be "Mr. Neutral" you are far from that.................

 

[frank12]

I will say this because it is a quote from your good friend Big Frank. "He had six months to check on everything and he chose to buy the place." Now you can contact your good friend Frank and see if this is an accurate quote.

For someone that claims to be "Mr. Neutral" you are far from that.................

I'm far from neutral? What makes you say that? Can you demonstrate where i have not been? Are you saying this simply because i do not agree with you 100%?

I know what the contract says. Do you?

 

[SKY]

I'm far from neutral? What makes you say that? Can you demonstrate where i have not been? Are you simply saying this because i do not agree with you 100%?

Come on Frank. You have been kissing this beat artist's ass since this thread started. Frank is one stand up guy who always honors his word. You contest that? Can you say the same for the other guy? I doubt it.................

 

[frank12]

Come on Frank. You have been kissing this beat artist's ass since this thread started. Frank is one stand up guy who always honors his word. You contest that? Can you say the same for the other guy? I doubt it.................

No, I'm not kissing anyone's butt. I simply understand both men's argument. I know where they're coming from.

On a side note, i'm picking my Alma Mater, OSU, to get to the Final four.

 

[windeguy]

Come on Frank. You have been kissing this beat artist's ass since this thread started. Frank is one stand up guy who always honors his word. You contest that? Can you say the same for the other guy? I doubt it.................

I understand one's loyalty to their employer. That is a "stand up" thing to have such loyalty. The man knows upon which side his bread is buttered.

To have things go on for this long without complaint for failure to make good on contract items and then cause problems by not paying, go into default, have the business foreclosed, and then start a court battle is something that makes no good sense.

 

[Harleysrock]

Frank you do sound biased and really only sky’s information makes any sense. I’m sure there are 3 sides to this story but if I was betting no way will rocky get the place back and that is probably a blessing in disguise for him!

 

[jd426]

Here is just a thought .. again , im not a " restaurant./ bar owner"..
But Logically would it not have taken a lot less money to fix the kitchen , even buy brand new, rather than to give all this money to the Lawyers , plus all the losses accumulating every day that its closed .
imho Rocky has a less than zero chance of
getting the place back + making a profit ...
it does not seem mathematically even possible
so the question begs , what is the end game in such a scenario.