The future of Sosua

[cobraboy]

I'm not sure it's "either/or", either sex tourism or evangelical playground.

 

[ogunjobi123]

The rough treatment of the girls by the police comes directly from the city politicians.
At the "save our paradise" meeting the head Sosua cop made a speech.
The cops do not do anything here on their own.
They are told what to do and its why the girls get roughed up on a regular basis.
The moral evangelists are in church on Sunday but are ok with working girls being dragged by their hair into the trucks.
Hypocrites.

Someone posted a link of a cestur agent knocking up. 15 year Haitian girl in sosua.

 

[USA DOC]

Someone posted a link of a cestur agent knocking up. 15 year Haitian girl in sosua.

….Like one of my wife always tells me..Its not the women that get pregnant here …its the children....

 

[CristoRey]

And the level of poverty and crime go up so much you will not be safe in your house let alone venture out, and well, if not all but most businesses will close down - if you remember Boca Chica some years back after their crackdown you know what I am talking about.....

I've been saying the same thing for years but some members on DR1 keep
saying the opposite. They say NO WAY will it have an impact on the 50,000
or so people who live/ work in Sosua.

 

[CristoRey]

...It is a problem to ban something that is legal and prevalent...in the rest of the country....

Because prostitution and weekend warriors from the tri-state area
are not all you see on the internet regarding other towns and cities
here in the DR.

The main issue? In every single news article I read it always says the
same thing. Its all about the "image" Which is constantly being shown
in a very negative way, on a global scale, thanks to social media and
the never ending influx of the weekend warriors posting their adventures
on websites like youtube. Taking it a step or three further, some of them
now even have their own "channels" dedicated to promoting this same
negative image that so many people down here are so admittedly opposed too.

Whatever happened to just having a good time and enjoying yourself without
telling the rest of the damn world ya business?

https://dominicantoday.com/dr/touri...nnounce-measures-to-reposition-sosua-tourism/

 

[Sosua Sonny]

Because prostitution and weekend warriors from the tri-state area
are not all you see on the internet regarding other towns and cities
here in the DR.

The main issue? In every single news article I read it always says the
same thing. Its all about the "image" Which is constantly being shown
in a very negative way, on a global scale, thanks to social media and
the never ending influx of the weekend warriors posting their adventures
on websites like youtube. Taking it a step or three further, some of them
now even have their own "channels" dedicated to promoting this same
negative image that so many people down here are so admittedly opposed too.

Whatever happened to just having a good time and enjoying yourself without
telling the rest of the damn world ya business?

https://dominicantoday.com/dr/touri...nnounce-measures-to-reposition-sosua-tourism/

Authorities announce measures to reposition Sosúa tourism.

All bark and no bight.

There is no way to reposition Sosua tourism when every weekend you have only mongers coming. Until she figures out a way from stopping the mongers then nothing will change. How can it?

Stop the mongers and then you can immediately feel the lack of business trickle down effects.

Enjoy the new crime wave!!!!

 

[slowmo]

"For sure the vids of Police illegally physically abusing people and the veiled threats of arresting tourists are already having a detrimental effect on people planning their holidays."

Any reports, other than your opinion, to substantiate this declaration which you keep ingeminating?

Do you really need proof that tourists don't want to be threatened with being thrown in jail or see women assaulted?

 

[cavok]

The rough treatment of the girls by the police comes directly from the city politicians.
At the "save our paradise" meeting the head Sosua cop made a speech.
The cops do not do anything here on their own.
They are told what to do and its why the girls get roughed up on a regular basis.
The moral evangelists are in church on Sunday but are ok with working girls being dragged by their hair into the trucks.
Hypocrites.

You have to admit, whatever salon put on those trenzas/extensiones did a great job!

 

[cobraboy]

Whatever happened to just having a good time and enjoying yourself without
telling the rest of the damn world ya business?

That's not how Pimp Daddy Fantasies work.

 

[Garyexpat]

And that fact has nothing at all to do with why Domincans are disgusted with Sosua and its hookers and johns.

I think that IF you are correct on how Dominicans feel about Sosua it would have to pertain to Dominicans that live on the north coast from say Puerto Plata to Sabaneta because when I talk about Sosua in Santiago or Santo Domingo with many Dominicans that I know, some better than others, they don't really seem to care. Many have gone up to the beach in Sosua before but unless I bring up that it's the Ciudad de Cueros, they don't say anything and when I bring it up some were not aware and others just respond that yes they heard about it. It does make sense for people up there to maybe take offense but from my experience it is not country wide.

 

[lifeisgreat]

….Like one of my wife always tells me..Its not the women that get pregnant here …its the children....

I think that IF you are correct on how Dominicans feel about Sosua it would have to pertain to Dominicans that live on the north coast from say Puerto Plata to Sabaneta because when I talk about Sosua in Santiago or Santo Domingo with many Dominicans that I know, some better than others, they don't really seem to care. Many have gone up to the beach in Sosua before but unless I bring up that it's the Ciudad de Cueros, they don't say anything and when I bring it up some were not aware and others just respond that yes they heard about it. It does make sense for people up there to maybe take offense but from my experience it is not country wide.

Very similar experience....

 

[windeguy]

I sometime think the Sosua authorities don't want to seriously and suddenly tackle this embarrassing and disgusting issue of gringo chasing chichas, because I think deep down they know the damage that could have on the community and the town, even many townships around the area. They are trying the slow approach. The same with central government and further up the command....

I agree. They have taken some steps, but not all the ones you elaborate upon below.

There are many measures that have been taken in other parts of the world, I have seen it myself, that can very quickly put an stop to all this, but they don't do it. For example they can stop hotels allowing un-registered guests into the premises, this is quite common and maybe part of hotel rules in a lot of countries.

Can stop bars and clubs (even restaurants) to let people to just come and sit there (specially girls). They must consume food or beverages, most girls can't afford to buy even water every hour, this is done in some other places I have seen - even here a while back I think. Having girls just sitting on the premises to attract clients is called "promoting prostitution" and banned in a lot of countries.

I do recall they did the above in Sosua. Not sure it is still part of the plan

Finally they can ban soliciting in public places, this is a well known and enforced law in UK, you can't go curb-crawling or even walking down the street and pick up - same for both johns and girls. This is not even allowed in bars and restaurants because they are considered public places. Not sure but this may need a proper law about it passed in parliament, but maybe that can be done locally.

Then we will have such a ghost town only the missionaries dare to go out to promote their God... ! lol (by the way I saw a guy , copy of Jesus Christ lookalike with long blonde beard and white clothes !!!, sat down on the beach and in 5 minutes had like 5 o 6 chicas sat around him listening, preaching them about God, then walked off with two of them....! I think this is a new game in town, I am sure he will get a special discount of some sort, working for non-profit missionary org and all that... !? lol

And the level of poverty and crime go up so much you will not be safe in your house let alone venture out, and well, if not all but most businesses will close down - if you remember Boca Chica some years back after their crackdown you know what I am talking about.....

The powers that be in the DR don't care in the least if there were zero whore monger tourists. That would be a victory regardless of the side effects. They would be overjoyed at the results from Boca Chica you describe.

Grabbing the prostitutes by the their often fake hair is an unfortunate aspect of this war on whores. You have provided several excellent alternatives on more humane methods.

 

[ctrob]

I think that IF you are correct on how Dominicans feel about Sosua it would have to pertain to Dominicans that live on the north coast from say Puerto Plata to Sabaneta because when I talk about Sosua in Santiago or Santo Domingo with many Dominicans that I know, some better than others, they don't really seem to care. Many have gone up to the beach in Sosua before but unless I bring up that it's the Ciudad de Cueros, they don't say anything and when I bring it up some were not aware and others just respond that yes they heard about it. It does make sense for people up there to maybe take offense but from my experience it is not country wide.

Sure, out of sight out of mind. It doesn't directly effect them. But they probably wouldn't move their family there.

Or if you stuck a Pedro Clisante with all it's trimmings in a middle class Santiago neighborhood, then they would mind.

 

[windeguy]

I've been saying the same thing for years but some members on DR1 keep
saying the opposite. They say NO WAY will it have an impact on the 50,000
or so people who live/ work in Sosua.

How logical is it to think that a few hundred hookers are the source of the money that feeds 50,000 people in Sosua?

 

[Cdn_Gringo]

... they probably wouldn't move their family there.

No Dominican moves their family to Sosua. There are no significant economic opportunities here. We already have too many lawyers, real estate agents and service sector employees that are completely devoid of any understanding of the term "service".

We have in influx of transient jobbers that show up for the weekends and leave on Monday. Those that live and work here were probably born here or relocated a long time ago and now do not have the means to access opportunities elsewhere.

 

[chico bill]

Raise the taxes on Jet Blue flights into POP a few hundred per passenger and use the money exclusively for public works improvements. That would help improvements and turn off a lot of the cheapo Instagram mongers.

How can you take a town seriously that doesn't clear downed trees in the street or hanging cables from the power lines, not for days, but months and months
Go past Plan B on PC, take the next right (at Captain's Table), avoid the dangling cable that could decapitate an unsuspecting moto driver and then be sure to avoid the huge tree that's been laying in the street for 5 months.
You think that at least the property owner would be required to rent a boom truck to lift it back on his own property.
If the mayor is serious about Sosua - get rid of some of the obvious hazards.

 

[malko]

Raise the taxes on Jet Blue flights into POP a few hundred per passenger and use the money exclusively for public works improvements. That would help improvements and turn off a lot of the cheapo Instagram mongers.

How can you take a town seriously that doesn't clear downed trees in the street or hanging cables from the power lines, not for days, but months and months
Go past Plan B on PC, take the next right (at Captain's Table), avoid the dangling cable that could decapitate an unsuspecting moto driver and then be sure to avoid the huge tree that's been laying in the street for 5 months.
You think that at least the property owner would be required to rent a boom truck to lift it back on his own property.
If the mayor is serious about Sosua - get rid of some of the obvious hazards.

Its not a nanny state !!!!
If a tree falls on the road in my campo, in 1 hour, tops, it is cut up by machete wielding men, dried, stored and used for cooking.......
And just the way it should be....... we dont need 3 engineers, 5 town workers and a crew of haitians to clear no stinking tree !!!!

 

[chico bill]

Its not a nanny state !!!!
If a tree falls on the road in my campo, in 1 hour, tops, it is cut up by machete wielding men, dried, stored and used for cooking.......
And just the way it should be....... we dont need 3 engineers, 5 town workers and a crew of haitians to clear no stinking tree !!!!

This tree is bigger than a chainsaw can cut, forget your machete, you will be whacking for life.
And it is a public street, with asphalt and curbs not a dirt road in your campo.

Municipalities have obligations for the taxes they impose. One is public safety and infrastructure

 

[Uzin]

Okay, let's be logical, if prostitution is legal in the country (and actually prevalent in all parts and a popular pass time of Dominican men and an accepted fact of life for women...!), then the issue is just the image, reputation and in your face situation.

So why not try to address those especially, find a proper way to tackle it, it can't be impossible. Make bars and discos enclosed with A/C, no chicas in the street and no soliciting and loitering by johns out in the open (even drinking on the street - that's terrible how some of these cheap charlies buy a beer from colmados and walk up and down the street, worse than chicas for image if you ask me)... !

Bring back Passion and CMP type establishments, out of sight out of mind, even little noise, so could be anywhere.

Systematically target filming and social media propagandas, anyone posting the stuff and can be identified in DR, grab him on entry/exit (remember Cuba Dave). Randomly check cameras, laptops, phones in the airport to find evidence and heavily fine and confiscate these if anyone exiting with adult/porn material (they were doing this a while back, not sure, I heard they did check and caught a few, but as usual they can never consistently do anything).

Anything goes beyond closed doors, anything banned out in the open, anyone fancy promoting stuff on the net, should put it in private forum out of the public sight, Youtube and your ass in jail on the next trip or on exit (easy, "promoting prostitution", Costa Rica did all this with just one arrest, and became famous over night and got the message across ! ).

This is not hard to do, 3 months of this and the Puff Daddy crowd quickly catch up and learn, then let's promote a healthy, safe environment and a great nightlife and see how Sosua takes over from Las Vegas ... !!! lol

 

[jd426]

How logical is it to think that a few hundred hookers are the source of the money that feeds 50,000 people in Sosua?

Wow...... You just proved something so ILLOGICAL its mind Numbing..
Although I am not defending it .. I can give you a PERFECT Analogy ..

How valuable is a FISH.. a couple of fish ? not much right ?

So take a fishing Village ... I am talking "recreational" Fishing , not commercial fishing which just sells by the #, although those have vibrant economies as well.. ..

Now snatch away the fish people are traveling to those Villages to Sail out of to catch ... lets say an Eco disaster or over fishing..
Guess what the Outcome will be for that Village ?
Restaurants & especially Breakfast Diners which line the streets , Hotels , Convenience stores , the Boat owners ,gas Stations , stores which sell bait etc . ALLL of those People and their Employees
now get to Suffer or go out of business, and take a lot of jobs with them.
Just because of some FISH ? . Crazy stuff , Right ??
UNLESS That " Fishing Village" now Transforms itself , into something else
It will suffer ... Crime will sky rocket .


Anyone who cant understand this analogy, I almost feel sorry for you.

Although I do not have a Horse in this Race .. I am shocked that some of you cant grasp this , and you LIVE there ???
holy smokes .... YOU are the ones the CRIMINAL Element will PREY on if the money stops rolling in , for whatever reason..
you, the Expats , will be the targets for break ins, and knife point Holdups ( like those have not been already recently discussed ??)
Enjoy your new " Puta Free" Sosua... the rest of us will be staying CLEAR of it , for sure .
There is a point of no return, and we are almost there .