Tainos in the DR?

souljanyn3

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what are you stating that they did survive or they didnt? I mean people(Indians) in the andeas mountins have survived for centuries...
 

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what are you stating that they did survive or they didnt? I mean people(Indians) in the andeas mountins have survived for centuries...

This island isn't that big and I'm sure the last real indian holdouts probably ended sometime in the 1800's. Jorge - what do you think?
 

souljanyn3

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these mountins are pretty big...also I heard that there is a language spoken in San Fransisco de mocoris and Jarabacoa(La Vega) that is Very similar to Arawak and sounds nothing like spanish its tottaly different have you heard of this?
 

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Souljanyn3, Chip,
No one can know for sure if when the last "full bloods" lived on the island, But for that matter, no one can know when the last Full blood Spanish or Africans liverd either. Remember the Spanish who came to the islands were a mixture of different ethnicities from all over Spain. In addition to this the Spanish were mixted with gypsies, Jews, moors, etc.
When you study the archeology of the Caribbean from the first "Peopling" to the present, you will find that the Taino were already a mixed blood people. So the term full blood (whatever that really means) does not apply. The DNA tests mainly reveal that when one uses this tool to track human migrations, it becomes evident that the Taino, never disappeared, but did in fact evolve. All cultures that do not evolve, truly perish. It can be surmised that this applies to people as well. The fact that we have so many cultural, linguistic, and now genetic components of our Taino ancestors in the modern Dominican/Caribbean is a testament to their greatness and to Indigenous resistance.
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souljanyn3

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Baracutey Do you know if the Lucayans were part of the Taino tribe or more related to the Mayans? did they survive in the Bahamas post 1500's or did they flee elswhere?
 

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Baracutey Do you know if the Lucayans were part of the Taino tribe or more related to the Mayans? did they survive in the Bahamas post 1500's or did they flee elswhere?

The Lucayans were Taino. They were actually relatively newcomers to the islands of the Lucayo (Bahamas).The only Caribbean peoples that did not belong to the Taino Arawakan Cultural group were the Macorix (waroidlanguage group) of the DR, the Ciguayo (tulan labguage group), the Cibonbey (sub-taino language grouping) and the Carib of the lesser antilles who are Cariban/Arawakan speakers.
The Ciguayo people of the Samana peninsula had a langiage that was more closely related to Mayan. From this group there are only two surviving words that indicate a possble Yucatan genetic/cultural genises; The words Tuab (gold in Taino is Caona) and Kisekya ( a word which is in fact found not only in Ciguayo but also in Taino and Cariban).
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Baracutay

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Where did the Ciboney come from? Has that question been answered?

The Ciboney are also an Arawakan group who spoek a distinct dialect. By the time the Spanish arrived in the Caribbean there were only a few living in Cuba and some in the Haitian Peninsula. They were the descendants of one of the first waves of Arawakan peoples to reach the Caribbean. Ciboney in the Taino language means "rock people" -Cibo-rock, nei-from eyeri means people. It is assumed from early desciptions of this group that they lived in Caves and were pre-agircultural. I believe personally that Taino proper displaced this earlier inhabitants and by the time th4e Spanish arrived they had been either assimilated or pushed to to live in the most in-hospitable areads of the islands.
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They did smthg similar in the US. They tried to make it seem like the American Indians were practically extinct by taking them off the census and making them claim to be either black, white, or mulatto. :(
 

Lovelylocs

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BTW, my cousin recently had her DNA and my uncle's DNA test. It turns out I'm actually part Indian too. Only 1/8 so far though.
 

Lovelylocs

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No, I'm an American. As far as I know, I don't have any Dominican ancestry although the people at customs in Santo Domingo will argue it. In fact, I felt more "at home" and welcomed in the US. I think the taxi driver even said to me "welcome home"! LOL

hehe... But, no, I'm what they call an African-American. Honestly, I think our histories are quite similar in many ways and I think that all black Americans should study countries like the DR to get a better understanding of their identity and history. I always knew that I had both white and black ancestry and now I know that I have Native American ancestry too. There were some adoptions in my family so many pieces of my family history are missing. I'm trying to put together the pieces.
 

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The Ciboney are also an Arawakan group who spoek a distinct dialect. By the time the Spanish arrived in the Caribbean there were only a few living in Cuba and some in the Haitian Peninsula. They were the descendants of one of the first waves of Arawakan peoples to reach the Caribbean. Ciboney in the Taino language means "rock people" -Cibo-rock, nei-from eyeri means people. It is assumed from early desciptions of this group that they lived in Caves and were pre-agircultural. I believe personally that Taino proper displaced this earlier inhabitants and by the time th4e Spanish arrived they had been either assimilated or pushed to to live in the most in-hospitable areads of the islands.
All the best
Baracutay

Thank you, Baracutey. So it is probable the Ciboney adopted the Taino culture. In Cuba they say the Ciboney were conquered by the Taino. Another group, the Guanahatabey, took refuge near the Guanacahabibes Peninsula in far western tip of the island. They also say that when the Spaniards arrived, the Taino had preceded them by about 100 yrs. only. But I have read other accounts which state the Tainos arrived in Cuba earlier than that.