Along with certain Italian, Albanian, Venezuelan and Colombian influences.
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Along with certain Italian, Albanian, Venezuelan and Colombian influences.
You are waffling.
In another tread you stated that this is the DR and every case is handled differently, never know what you get.
Fact is, that immigration tells m, there is no problem with overstay and just pay on leaving.
This is still the alternate reality to your claim and DR permitted law, lovingly collected by immigration officials.
If all overstayers were treated as illegals, a very serious offence in other countries
They would be flagged and any further entry denied, which in 99% of the overstays is not the case.
Convicted criminals after after being extradited by Interpol are allowed back in to the DR after a few years.
Sometimes you act as a drama queen being righteous about residence, or cultural female ambassadors in Sosua.
You like to arrange realities to your own liking,
Yet you well, that the DR has many different approaches to their existing laws,
Never know what you get in the parallel universes, with different realities.
I think its what might be coming and not what it is now.Clean the whole country out,be a good thing.
I know many expats who live in Sosua, who do not have residency.
Many of those live there 10- 15 years without ever returning to their home countries.
They collect their pensions, rent , maybe drive a scooter or walk.
They live under the DR radar and intend to stay in Sosua till they die.
you forgot to mention Germans and us americans amongst others,
regularily found here and their faces coinciding with faces on the different countries Wanted lists.
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I did not forget to mention them.
I mentioned the ones that are of pressing concern at the moment.
Concerns change as do the clouds. Timing is everything.
and those are found everywhere around the country, the same here on the east.
but they wouldn't be any kinda suprised, if one sunny day the gov decide's to kick illegal immigrants out, because that's what they simply are.
they even denied to use the plan which pardoned their prior years to finally get residency, as so many did.
those are the ones begging for loosing their scooter and pay for their one way ticket home.
i don't see this to come any time soon, but in some 5 years time or so it might be the norm.
Other countries have responded to illegal Dominicans overstaying and illegally working, by visa requirements.
The average Dominican will never leave the DR.
Tourist visas are very difficult to obtain even by married spouses, often not at all issued.
Try getting into Canada, the US and EU may be somewhat easier.
I can't even invite my family on a tourist visa and pay all their costs, as visas are not issued.
The government reasons are, We do not believe that you ill return to your home country.
You do not show sufficient ties to your country - Even though all the have and know is in the DR and they speak Spanish only.
Civilized and professionally organized countries allow a stay of at least three months on the average for visitors.
Leave and re- enter as you will.
The DR still has their overstay after all the years and 4 weeks stay, that is the difference of "organization".
The DR wants to "control" illegal Haitians (which they do very poorly) they do not want to appear to be discriminating against Haitians.
That is the reason for new laws, while continuing to collect money from the IMF and other international sources.
The DR is deeply indebted and CV19 has hit DR revenue sources severely.
Anyone with financial resources, education, who wants to operate a business, has expensive real estate, an expensive car and drives and who wants to stay in the DR,
Obviously will apply for residence.
Snowbirds, three months stayers with residences outside of the DR will not apply for residence and subsequent renewals.
The process is a Dominican process, very cumbersome, lengthy, inefficient, and costly.
Those who do not speak Spanish and don't understand the system will pay lawyers.
As long as parallel overstay fines facilitate overstays, short term overstayers will not apply for residence.
Even more difficult for those who may want to stay 4-5 months and not 6 months or more.
My property is in my wife's name, she will administer everything as it is for her anyway.
She also enjoys travelling the outside world and living there, at least part time or semi full time.
I have other resources and so far do not want to live full-time in the DR.
There is a whole world out there DR for ever, at least at the moment would be way too limiting. (Maybe if I'm too old to travel)
One may live in Cap Cana or have a Punta Cana ocean front residence.
Once one gets on the outside the real DR will hit you in the face, with all that it entails.
DR government and infrastructure will not be up to par in our lifetime.
Anyone staying full time in the DR, does so knowingly, with all that it entails.
If they were smart and organized, they could do exactly that and collect all taxes by credit card.
Like this they could collect on renewals in perpetuity.
Of course in organized countries once a permanent residency has been issued it is exactly that - Permanent!
A one time process.
If they don't like that just issue a yearly tourist visa ( for preferential counties) and charge for every renewal.
All countries have differing visa requirements depending on country and agreements.
a Cap Cana or Punta Cana Ocean Front residence would anyways not be anything DR, IMHO.
if youwant to really experience an otehr country, in thiscase the DR, then the real DR outside those residences will not be any slap at all, it just will be the experience.
once experienced, you can decide to live with it or not.
sure, for the few with the big funds, such ocean front property is the ideal vacay or weekend getaway place, to those it would not matter whats outside of the gate.
You may be right,
Many hang around drink and enjoy female company if still so inclined
.Many of those in Sosua are countrymen of yours, educated and far from stupid just enjoying DR retirement, maybe wife dead or divorced.
However they are not without resources.
They have bank accounts and savings in your former country.
They also receive pensions of € 2000 and up ( @ 68 DOP) consisting of government and company pensions.
They live low key and are aware of what is going on, willing to take their chances, having become Dominicans and gone native.
They know how the peso rolls.......as do Dominicans
Thats why I have a house in a Dominican neighbourhood on the North Coast.
I am even taking advantage of this CV19 time for further construction with trusted associates and family "security".
My wife can't wait to get back to enjoy it all.
It's true, there are folks who want the beach and palms but not the culture. The "Residencial" crowd. Folks who sit around in coffee clutch poking fun at Dominicans driving around in their Hummers. I always had envisioned learning as much as I could while being part of this place. If I left tomorrow, it was tough, but very worth it.
"We live in a flash of light; evening comes and it is night forever. It's only a flash and we waste it. We waste it with our anxiety, our worries, our concerns, our burdens."
-Tony de Mello
sounds much like my way,
just that i decided long ago to stay and raise the kids here and have the vacatiions the other way around.
I usually spend the summers for 2 months in Germany with my daughter.
sure covid made us to skip the summer of 2020, lol.
one is the prefered place to live and the others are the places to spend time away from the daily life,
with the little family finca to be my personal prefered getaway.
The comparison between illegal aliens and overstayers is kind of ridiculous though. The typical illegal alien offers nothing to the society but drains its resources. Your typical overstayer is an addition to a society pumping dollars into an already struggling economy. Again common sense tells us they will never get rid of someone who can add to their economy even moreso than their own citizens. Just pay your overstay fee and live your life.
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