Next minister of Interior & Police says government will apply the law

[windeguy]

And so far DR gov has been responsible for enabling and administering both parallel systems, yet seemingly in contradiction.

And that is the exact point of the original post. The exit fees are indeed a parallel system. An outside of the law program administered by Migracion under the PLD.

Will the new administration actually hold true to their word about enforcing immigration law? Let us wait and see. That is all we can do from here.

 

[windeguy]

Unregulated ingress of Haitians into the DR is more than just a hot topic.
It is up to the DR gov to stop this flow.
If indeed wanted Haitian work visas can be issued, all others deported.

I could not agree more.

Do people think it is OK to deport illegal Haitians, but those who are illegal and not Haitian should be allowed to stay?

 

[NanSanPedro]

I could not agree more.

Do people think it is OK to deport illegal Haitians, but those who are illegal and not Haitian should be allowed to stay?

From the government's perspective, who is a net gain and who is a net loss? The answer is obvious. Still, I feel for the Haitians.

 

[Fulano2]

You are 100% wrong on this. The overstay fee does not make your overstay legal.

Of course not, in that case everybody would be legal, so what would be the difference between one with overstay and one with residency.
You might argue that an overstayer is legal when he pays the fine. But then he leaves.

 

[windeguy]

Of course not, in that case everybody would be legal, so what would be the difference between one with overstay and one with residency.
You might argue that an overstayer is legal when he pays the fine. But then he leaves.

Unless you read the regulation on the migracion web site what clearly states that paying the exit fee dose not mean the stay was legal.
And if you read the DR laws which have no mention of exit fees.

 

[Fulano2]

Unless you read the regulation on the migracion web site what clearly states that paying the exit fee dose not mean the stay was legal.
And if you read the DR laws which have no mention of exit fees.

I am not saying “was” legal but the moment he pays “is” legal.

 

[windeguy]

I am not saying “was” legal but the moment he pays “is” legal.

Based upon DR law: No payment at any time makes the person legal for overstaying a tourist card, past, present, future or in some alternate dimension.

 

[Fulano2]

Link please, from the law ...

 

[windeguy]

Link please, from the law ...

Here is what the minister said in the OP: "Jesús (Chú) Vásquez, the named Minister of Interior & Police in the upcoming Luis Abinader presidency, says the next government will apply the General Migration Law 285-04. He said the law was passed when he presided the Senate in 2004. “Nothing needs to be invented. Just apply the law,” he says. He says Juan Manuel Rosario, who consulted on the law back then, would work with him as Deputy Minister of Interior & Police, responsible for the migratory matters."

Here is a link to current DR immigration law. You will see there is no mention of overstay fees anywhere since those fees are outside the law:

http://www.consuladord.com/pdfs/Migracion.pdf

It is impossible to post a link in the law about overstay fees because they are not part of DR law.
Hence paying them does not change anything with regard to DR immigration laws.



DR immigration law was updated in 2004 by the PRM just before they lost power. The PLD worked around the law. What a surprise.

 

[william webster]

One could argue - easily - that the overstay fee itself is illegal...
since it is not embedded in the laws.

A sort of payoff we all know & understand..... and you're still not legal.
and it appears they started to track these incidents lately - w/ the new computer system

Ah - what does the future hold !!??

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

Here is what the minister said in the OP: "Jesús (Chú) Vásquez, the named Minister of Interior & Police in the upcoming Luis Abinader presidency, says the next government will apply the General Migration Law 285-04. He said the law was passed when he presided the Senate in 2004. “Nothing needs to be invented. Just apply the law,” he says. He says Juan Manuel Rosario, who consulted on the law back then, would work with him as Deputy Minister of Interior & Police, responsible for the migratory matters."

Here is a link to current DR immigration law. You will see there is no mention of overstay fees anywhere since those fees are outside the law:

http://www.consuladord.com/pdfs/Migracion.pdf

It is impossible to post a link in the law about overstay fees because they are not part of DR law.
Hence paying them does not change anything with regard to DR immigration laws.



DR immigration law was updated in 2004 by the PRM just before they lost power. The PLD worked around the law. What a surprise.

How much coffee you drink in the mornings Winded

 

[GusFring]

One could argue, with the "parallel system" in place, that over-stayers are indeed legal.

Overstayers are not illegal because there is no mention of them in Dominican Immigration law which Winde has mentioned 26 odd times now.

ERGO- Overstayers have nothing to do with Dominician immigration laws.

There ya go. Case closed.

 

[windeguy]

How much coffee you drink in the mornings Winded

Either one cup or none.

 

[windeguy]

One could argue, with the "parallel system" in place, that over-stayers are indeed legal.

Overstayers are not illegal because there is no mention of them in Dominican Immigration law which Winde has mentioned 26 odd times now.

ERGO- Overstayers have nothing to do with Dominician immigration laws.

There ya go. Case closed.

100% wrong again. And simpley utter nonsense is what you posted regarding people who over stay tourist cards.
One could argue what you say, of course, but one would still be 100% wrong.

Sorry, but there are two types of people according to that very law. One type is legally in the DR. The second type is illegally in the DR.
People who overstay tourist cards are illegally in the DR from day 31 onward. No exceptions.

Did you bother to even read the law?

 

[Fulano2]

So according to your reasoning paying the fee doesnt make you legal (I stated, the minute you pay you are legal), do you mean then that you are illegal for ever? That’s the consequence of your statement.

 

[Fulano2]

Here is what the minister said in the OP: "Jesús (Chú) Vásquez, the named Minister of Interior & Police in the upcoming Luis Abinader presidency, says the next government will apply the General Migration Law 285-04. He said the law was passed when he presided the Senate in 2004. “Nothing needs to be invented. Just apply the law,” he says. He says Juan Manuel Rosario, who consulted on the law back then, would work with him as Deputy Minister of Interior & Police, responsible for the migratory matters."

Here is a link to current DR immigration law. You will see there is no mention of overstay fees anywhere since those fees are outside the law:

http://www.consuladord.com/pdfs/Migracion.pdf

It is impossible to post a link in the law about overstay fees because they are not part of DR law.
Hence paying them does not change anything with regard to DR immigration laws.



DR immigration law was updated in 2004 by the PRM just before they lost power. The PLD worked around the law. What a surprise.

I know this ley, thats why I asked you. If it is not mentioned, the whole fee system is illegal.

 

[william webster]

You get to start over again - legally - if they allow you in the next time

 

[william webster]

Illegal fee system --- I just posted that.... bribes/payola/graft/grease (RDKnight)
call what you like.....

 

[Fulano2]

You get to start over again - legally - if they allow you in the next time

So you start as an illegal according to Windeguy.

 

[El Rey de Mangu]

So according to your reasoning paying the fee doesnt make you legal (I stated, the minute you pay you are legal), do you mean then that you are illegal for ever? That’s the consequence of your statement.

I agree with Winded. There are 2 types of folks here. Legal and illegal. The law states what makes you legal. By default, if you do not meet the requirements for legal you are illegal. You are illegal from from your first 31st day. There is no mention in the law that paying any fee makes your status legal. To me you pay the fee, you exit, you come back you are still illegal. One could make the argument that your legality begins the date of the arrival stamp. But to me that's that same argument as "paying makes you legal"