Next minister of Interior & Police says government will apply the law

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MikeFisher

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Yes - changes will hopefully be good ones
Abinader is a fan of the tourism sector

6 month visa perhaps....
Stiffer overstay fees to discourage the practice.... or warnings when leaving, don't do that again

I think preselling the overstay is a good idea

What they DO NOT want is people flying in and staying indefinitely.... true overstayers... interlopers
to implement a Visa for visitors like Snowbirds may be too complicate to do, as such visa process always comes with a load of paperwork, almost as complicated as applying for residency.
snowbirds and similar mid term visitors are always attracted by counrties with simple to comply to rules, hence the DR is top of the listingsfor those.
it is enough to allow overstaying, this system worked very fine since a decade and half.
they do not want years long overstayers? well, set a 6 months limit, after 6 months reentry denied for the next 5 years to come.
to do such, no change of any DR law necessary, just a little modification of the overstay fees brochure on a Excel Spredsheet.
because to deny entry to anybody who overstayed 1 day or 50 years, is already allowed by LAW.
they just need to change a little bit on their HANDLING of the Law and all will be happy.
and of course:
The DR has to change the uneffective and quiet stupidly complicated process when applying for residency.
it has to be changed to be all done ONLINE, by sending in all documentation as attachments, get a virtual residency visa to be able to visit the Immigrations Office in St Dgo and hand over there your original paperwork, which aforehand already been sent online and checked and approved, so photoshop frauds can be limitedand a way higher percentage of long term overstayers would be willing to go the way of residency.
 

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Why did the new minister say the government did not enforce the laws under the PLD and nothing new was needed but to enforce them? Not enforcing the law as written is certainly ignoring those laws.

Which is the entire point of this thread.
to Ignore a Law is one thing.
to HANDLE a law in a way in own favour, is not Ignoring, it is handling in a suitable way, nut not ignoring.
 

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The Snowbird Visa could be issued in the visitors homeland.... before arrival
Any visitor visa would work that way.... 3 mo/4mo etc

You purchase the desired length of visit - a type of prepaid overstay BUT... a limited time
Easy
 

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to Ignore a Law is one thing.
to HANDLE a law in a way in own favour, is not Ignoring, it is handling in a suitable way, nut not ignoring.
Let us just say that you are wrong on this point. The law has been ignored and exit fees not based in laws used in it place.
That is a fact, not what you state. The OP is very clear on this.
 

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Let us just say that you are wrong on this point. The law has been ignored and exit fees not based in laws used in it place.
That is a fact, not what you state. The OP is very clear on this.
I disagree, and thats fine on any discussion anyways.
the Law been not ignored,
because it was used during all these years to deport a large nuber of Haitians and also other nationalities Illegal Immigrants.
but the handling, and anyways the primarily purpose of the Law, was to control the numebr of illegal haitian immigrants.
illegal immigrnts of otehr nationalities been few compared to the large number of haitians, and those other nationalities usually anyways been wanted out for other stuff, so the Gov played the Immigrants Card in it's favour, which safes costly court procedures by just kicking their butts out.
hence I say the Law was not ignored, it was handled in the way where it suited the Government's way,
and the government's way in the DR never was and will never be to kick out money spending non criminal foreigners.
of course fine with me that others see it in a different way.
 

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MikeFisher, of course I cannot win an argument against people who "see things in a different way" that does not match reality.
Such people will never admit being wrong.

Applying the law to people of one country only is not applying the law. It is ignoring the law with respect to everyone but the people of one country.
 

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MikeFisher, of course I cannot win an argument against people who "see things in a different way" that does not match reality.
Such people will never admit being wrong.

Applying the law to people of one country only is not applying the law. It is ignoring the law with respect to everyone but the people of one country.
but you at least have to admit that it is FACT.
It is Fact that the DR Government is handling the immigratiosn law exactly the way i described, since over a decade and a half already,
without anybody ever sued them in court for their "wrongful doing/ ignorance of the law".
this is no about beeing right or wrong as a poster,
I only state as they DO, the way Immigrations is handled here since so long.
if this is right or wrong by the DR Laws, to decide such is not my thing, i am not a lawyer, theer are professionals in this world who know to fight their way through interpretions of laws and constitutions and all such stuff.
all such is far out of my league.
but the fact, how it is handled here in DR, is fact, nothing else.
 

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but you at least have to admit that it is FACT.
It is Fact that the DR Government is handling the immigratiosn law exactly the way i described, since over a decade and a half already,
without anybody ever sued them in court for their "wrongful doing/ ignorance of the law".
this is no about beeing right or wrong as a poster,
I only state as they DO, the way Immigrations is handled here since so long.
if this is right or wrong by the DR Laws, to decide such is not my thing, i am not a lawyer, theer are professionals in this world who know to fight their way through interpretions of laws and constitutions and all such stuff.
all such is far out of my league.
but the fact, how it is handled here in DR, is fact, nothing else.
Yes, the OP stated it as a fact that the PLD ignored the law and did what they wanted ignoring the law the PRM came up with. That is a fact indeed. Glad you agree.
 

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Which goes back to the original post . The PLD ignored the law for 16 years and did what they wanted regarding immigration law. The original post of this thread says the new minister of the MIP will enforce the laws as written because no new laws are needed. Which is the entire point of this thread!
And to read into the OP that it is about the overstay fee is ridiculous.
 

GusFring

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Is it really now? The overstay fees are exactly why the immigration laws are not enforced.

Good try, though.
The DR cannot survive without the US dollar pouring into the economy here. They will do nothing to stem that flow. Nothing. The overstay fee is not even on their radar.

Immigration laws should be more importantly applied to all of the other myriad of issues related to immigration namely Haitian immigration as well as the over 70,000 Dominicans deported by the US to the DR over the last 23 years for committing crimes in the US.

Your comment about the OP's article should have addressed some other issue related to immigration rather than start the 86th thread on the overstay fee.🙄
 
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The DR cannot survive without the US dollar pouring into the economy here. They will do nothing to stem that flow. Nothing. The overstay fee is not even on their radar.

I guess you and I will have to wait and see on that. Won't we? We both have our opinions on what the new minister means by actually enforcing the immigration laws.

Immigration laws should be more importantly applied to all of the other myriad of issues related to immigration namely Haitian immigration as well as the over 70,000 Dominicans deported by the US to the DR over the last 23 years for committing crimes in the US.

What does immigration law have to do with DR citizens being deported back to the DR from other countries? Answer ZERO.

Your comment about the OP's article should have addressed some other issue related to immigration rather than start the 86th thread on the overstay fee.🙄

Haitians will always be a hot topic. CV19 slowed down the tossing of Haitians over the border and their boomeranging back again.

Here is another link , in English, that endeavours to explain the actual laws of the DR:

 
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Let us just say that you are wrong on this point. The law has been ignored and exit fees not based in laws used in it place.
That is a fact, not what you state. The OP is very clear on this.

You are aware that many DR laws are ignored and improperly applied by the DR government.
Wether it's migration laws or prostitution which is legal.
That is a fact! You've been here long enough to know the facts.

Seems that residency and prostitution are some of your favourite subjects to comment on.
 

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Haitians will always be a hot topic. CV19 slowed down the tossing of Haitians over the border and their boomeranging back again.

Here is another link , in English, that endeavours to explain the actual laws of the DR:


Unregulated ingress of Haitians into the DR is more than just a hot topic.
It is up to the DR gov to stop this flow.
If indeed wanted Haitian work visas can be issued, all others deported.
 
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