Coronavirus - In the DR

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Michael DR

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Really touched a nerve there I see. As a Libertarian, I can certainly say that it is everyone's right, in my opinion, to do what they want within the laws.
Yes I understand the rights are costly . They always have been and always will be. Wars are fought constantly for them.

At this time the DR has no laws about people being required to have insurance. The USA tried that, to some extent, and it didn't work out.

If you are on the DR and don't have local or travel insurance then you either get treated at a public hospital, or pay a private clinic or they won't let you leave until you do. It is all about personal responsibility and some people do not get that concept.
And now for a tiny, humorous interlude ;) LOL
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I just found it amusing, no offence intended. Really, none at all. Have a laugh, it's the best medicine or so the saying goes
 

chico bill

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But we have been told by the world's greatest medical experts that there is NO HERD IMMUNITY. Sweden and the UK took the wrong approach, no?

But let us say there is herd immunity (and a vaccine will help get there) and it takes 60% of the world to reach that point. That means about 0.5% of about 60% to 70% of the world could die to reach herd immunity. Everything in life is a trade off. Herd immunity or the economy, take your pick. Normally it ends up being about the money at the end of the day.
The "economy" is not just "money", like someone getting millions in 'investment funds' from China or the Ukraine.
The economy is real people trying to keep a business from failing or the workers with no savings trying to get enough to pay the luz and have something to eat.
The Economy = Lives too
 

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I agree it could be far worse. Could a reasonable rate of mask-wearing from very early on have anything to do with this? Dominicans aren't that great at maintaining the recommended distancing but everyone wears a mask in public enclosed spaces - although some do wear them incorrectly.

In retrospect DR did a good move advocating wearing masks very early on. Simple masks are only useful when you are very close to others, like less than 2 meters. But recent studies shows that when the infection rates are high in the population and you can’t avoid being close to others, like inside shops and during public transport, masks reduce the spread of the virus.

Recently, many other countries have enforced mask use, news from Europe from this week, masks compulsory in countries where they weren't before

Germans will face tighter rules on mask-wearing, closing times and social gatherings

France: Night-time curfew in some cities
Mask wearing are compulsory in enclosed public spaces throughout France, while specific areas have introduced additional rules.
In Paris and surrounding areas, face coverings must be worn outdoors by anyone aged 11 and over.


Spain The Spanish government imposed a 15-day state of emergency in Madrid and surrounding areas on Friday 9 October.
Catalan authorities have ordered all bars and restaurants in the region to close, from 15 October, for two weeks. They can provide take-away services only.
Face masks have to be worn by anyone over the age of six on all forms of public transport and indoor public spaces.
Most regions in Spain have made masks obligatory outdoors as well.

Italians must also wear masks indoors everywhere except in private homes

The list goes on, many other European countries.

On another note, The Pan American Health Office (PAHO) and the World Health Organization (WHO) reserved two million vaccines against the coronavirus for the Dominican Republic when they are available to be applied to humans, as reported by the local representation of those international entities.
 

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and in the USA - poverty sky rockets......

not just a DR problem.... it's a result of the pandemic


8 Million Have Slipped Into Poverty Since May as Federal Aid Has Dried Up
Two new studies show the effect of the emergency $2 trillion package known as the Cares Act and what happened when the money ran out.




WASHINGTON — After an ambitious expansion of the safety net in the spring saved millions of people from poverty, the aid is now largely exhausted and poverty has returned to levels higher than before the coronavirus crisis, two new studies have found.
The number of poor people has grown by eight million since May, according to researchers at Columbia University, after falling by four million at the pandemic’s start as a result of an $2 trillion emergency package known as the Cares Act.
Using a different definition of poverty, researchers from the University of Chicago and Notre Dame found that poverty has grown by six million people in the past three months, with circumstances worsening most for Black people and children.
Significantly, the studies differ on the most recent month: While the Columbia model shows an improvement in September, the Chicago and Notre Dame analysts found poverty continued to grow.
 

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In retrospect DR did a good move advocating wearing masks very early on. Simple masks are only useful when you are very close to others, like less than 2 meters. But recent studies shows that when the infection rates are high in the population and you can’t avoid being close to others, like inside shops and during public transport, masks reduce the spread of the virus.

Recently, many other countries have enforced mask use, news from Europe from this week, masks compulsory in countries where they weren't before

...And many European countries are now following the DR down the curfew route, as cases and deaths rise again in many countries.
 

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So when the world powers and ol Bill Gates step up on their soap boxes telling everyone how wonderful and safe this vaccine is, will you be at the front of the line to receive your vaccination because you have been assured by people with vested interests in it that it's safe??

I always wonder why the people making these vaccines and drug cures aren't trying them out on themselves.. I personally have issue with folks wanting to stab me with drugs that they won't use on themselves.. Seems to me that if science was all they try and sell you it is, they would be first in line trying this stuff..

"There are people that won't take the flu shot".. Yep.. I'm one of them. Haven't had the flu in decades.. Why should I get a flu shot?? Am I going to die if I get the flu? No..

Two types of people in cases like this.. Those who believe everything they are told, and those that question everything they are told.. I fall into the latter group..

Exactly. I was forced to get a flu shot when I was 18 y/o in USMC boot camp. Never had one again and never got the flu. If you think you're vulnerable, get one. For me and others, no thanks and same no thanks for any vaccine for the Wuhan flu.
 

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Great job in quoting all the negatives.
It is not just healthy that are quarantined.
How about some suggestions about what positive approaches you think will reduce the spread?
Opening up before the negative test numbers are very low has failed over and over throughout the world.
The virus caused the economic destruction and slowing the spread first is the only way we will make progress.


The idea of herd immunity is fatally flawed at this time with CV19.

Scientists do not know if and for how long a person who recovered may be immune to catching the disease a second time.
There are cases where a person recovered and then became ill again after only six weeks.
In order for herd immunity to work CV19 illness will need to provide long term immunity.
There is some speculation that persons who become the sickest with CV19 may have the longest immunity and persons who are only mildly ill will only develop a short term immunity.
Are you sure about that?
To the immune system, not all germs are equally memorable. But our body’s cells seem to be seriously studying up on the coronavirus.

Scientists who have been monitoring immune responses to the virus are now starting to see encouraging signs of strong, lasting immunity, even in people who developed only mild symptoms of Covid-19, a flurry of new studies suggests. Disease-fighting antibodies, as well as immune cells called B cells and T cells that are capable of recognizing the virus, appear to persist months after infections have resolved — an encouraging echo of the body’s enduring response to other viruses

This will be my final contribution to this thread and probably to this site. I do not like being censored for no reason.

A few of my post have been delete without notice or reason including my previous post to this thread with many informative links. I'm sure that I have not violated any posting rules but, be that as it may, the owners are entitled to do as they please. Lets see if this post stands as is or will it encounter a similar fate as my previous contribution to this thread.
 

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The annual flu shot is 'annual' for a reason..... it doesn't last long and offers only a lessening of the severity of the flu.
They warn you not to take it too early in the season..... no efficacy left when the main season hits

The anticipated CV19 vaccine is just the same... not a panacea, just Mommy's Little Helper

I was told to take the flu shot to help any CV19 impact - I did
Annual flu shots are released not often until they have targeted the strain of flu for each season.
Flu shots i feel are ineffective and I watched the residents of my mom's assisted living get their shots every year and yet flu would spread anyway.
And the flu shot always made my mother feel horrible for a week after.
 
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The annual flu shot is 'annual' for a reason..... it doesn't last long and offers only a lessening of the severity of the flu.
They warn you not to take it too early in the season..... no efficacy left when the main season hits

The anticipated CV19 vaccine is just the same... not a panacea, just Mommy's Little Helper

I was told to take the flu shot to help any CV19 impact - I did
Thank you for your advice. The flu shot shot is not available until it is flu season so I haven't had an early shot. I also know that it is only effective for a short time. I also may have caught a strain of the flu I was not vaccinated for but I will stand by my decision and pass on it this year.
Hope it works out for you with you flu shot.
 

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Yup- I rarely get the flu - and that may not be due to the shot !!

It was free.... so I thought - What the Hey..... lay it on me.

Generally, I take no meds and few precautions....
Everybody has different levels of tolerance/immunity.

Getting older doesn't help !!
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Annual flu shots are released not often until they have targeted the strain of flu for each season.
Flu shots i feel are ineffective and I watched the residents of my mom's assisted living get their shots every year and yet flu would spread anyway.
And the flu shot always made my mother feel horrible for a week after.
problem with flu shot is they have to pre guess which strains will come in fall , this falls flu shot was Started in January for manufacturing So it’s gamble to which strains comes and which made every yr!
 

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I'll probably get the flu jab for the first time ever. I get the flu less frequently than most people but I think it's a sensible option in the current circumstances.
 

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So if there is a chance that you get ill again after having Covid why everybody thinks the same would not happen if you get vaccinated? :unsure:
Because "experts" are saying that a vaccine is going to protect better than having the disease.
This is before there is even a vaccine that is proven to work at all.
Make sense? If you say yes it makes sense, you are not a logical thinker.

If you question that even having CV19 may not grant long term immunity and then ask how a vaccine could work "better" at protecting you, you are thinking logically.
 

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The "economy" is not just "money", like someone getting millions in 'investment funds' from China or the Ukraine.
The economy is real people trying to keep a business from failing or the workers with no savings trying to get enough to pay the luz and have something to eat.
The Economy = Lives too
The CDC indicates that 0.6% of people who get CV19 die. The trade off being made is trying to limit the number of deaths well below the 0.6% amount with the damage done because of shutdowns. How will that trade off continue to be made is the question.
 

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Because "experts" are saying that a vaccine is going to protect better than having the disease.
This is before there is even a vaccine that is proven to work at all.
Make sense? If you say yes it makes sense, you are not a logical thinker.

If you question that even having CV19 may not grant long term immunity and then ask how a vaccine could work "better" at protecting you, you are thinking logically.
Experts says that only a vaccine can get us to herd immunity without killing off unethical many people.
Letting the virus circulate unchecked, therefore, means allowing unnecessary infections, suffering and death.

You continue to refer to «experts», maybe your knowledge source should be changed to real experts.
That would be my logical advise to you :LOL:
 

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I'll remind folks once again the topic of this thread is "Coronavirus - IN THE DR.

Post articles, stats, or many informative links that are not DR specific it will get axed. As it is, I'm cutting too much slack now.

End of discussion.
 
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Experts says that only a vaccine can get us to herd immunity without killing off unethical many people.
Letting the virus circulate unchecked, therefore, means allowing unnecessary infections, suffering and death.

You continue to refer to «experts», maybe your knowledge source should be changed to real experts.
That would be my logical advise to you :LOL:
A vaccine is one way to help get to herd immunity if it is even possible. Experts who originally said there was no herd immunity possible for CV19 are now
talking about herd immunity as if it were possible. This is before there is any real proof one way or the other.

My advice, logically, to all is to wait for actual results from vaccine testing which should be available in 2022.
 
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Does the DR offer free flu shots to everyone like they do in Canada or are they kept for a select few. I have never looked into it and have do not recall it ever being discuss here or elsewhere.
 

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Does the DR offer free flu shots to everyone like they do in Canada or are they kept for a select few. I have never looked into it and have do not recall it ever being discuss here or elsewhere.
People said they paid about 2,000 RD at a clinic.
 
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