Coronavirus - In the DR

[windeguy]

With every international news network today having the headline of how CV19 cases are skyrocketing in the EU and UK, will the DR be far behind with its own spike in CV19?

Is it not inevitable when restrictions are released that this will happen? (Except in Sweden, of course. )

 

[CDNBear]

With every international news network today having the headline of how CV19 cases are skyrocketing in the EU and UK, will the DR be far behind with its own spike in CV19?

Is it not inevitable when restrictions are released that this will happen? (Except in Sweden, of course. )

There is no increase in covid-19 in DR, because restrictions are not released.

You still believe in the Swedish shit?

Off topic but here is a thorough analysis of that approach
The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World

 

[windeguy]

Where did I mention I believed in Sweden? Since I am a realist, I don't believe there is a "solution".

CV19 is here, there and everywhere to stay. It is still in Sweden:

 

[windeguy]

There is no way the DR is going to get down to several deaths a day over a 3 month period, so no I don't believe in Sweden.
It is truly damnable what Sweden did and how they are avoiding the massive surges happening elsewhere.

 

[windeguy]

People don't get the point that CV19 is here there and everywhere to stay unless and until there is a way to get herd immunity.
For herd immunity, an effective enough vaccine will be necessary. There is no way to know if there will be an effective vaccine.

 

[CDNBear]

There is no way the DR is going to get down to several deaths a day over a 3 month period, so no I don't believe in Sweden.
It is truly damnable what Sweden did and how they are avoiding the massive surges happening elsewhere.

Sweden had much more death's pr. mill than the DR, and as well a severe economic hit despite few restrictions.

So what was your point again, did you even read the research article I provided?

 

[windeguy]

I absolutely do not believe any number being told about the number of cases or deaths from CV19 in the DR.
I have no "faith" in that at all.

Sweden had a big economic hit because they are a tiny country and everywhere else in the world shut down and business levels also dropped in Sweden.

The DR needs tourism to return to recover. That is why there is a focus on AI tourism now.

 

[william webster]

Sweden had significantly more problems than any of its neighbors.... Denmark et al

 

[CDNBear]

I absolutely do not believe any number being told about the number of cases or deaths from CV19 in the DR.
I have no "faith" in that at all.

No faith in the country's government where you choose to move, and finally got citizenship after much struggle.
Sad, I think

 

[william webster]

Bear

show me an accurate death count anywhere in the world...........
all overstated IMO

 

[windeguy]

No faith in the country's government where you choose to move, and finally got citizenship after much struggle.
Sad, I think

I have no faith in governments ANYWHERE.

Belief in government is not much of a factor for my moving here. There was a moron who was president when I arrived. Smarter people since him. There was a moron running the US government at the same time I moved here as well (and nobody I liked since then ).

It is cheap to live, there is no snow, sleet or freezing rain ever and I am not in a big city. Those were and are my original concerns along a lack of hurricanes and more recently avoiding CV19. I as able to move here at the age of 48 and never have to work again.

 

[CDNBear]

Bear

show me an accurate death count anywhere in the world...........
all overstated IMO

Yes, I agree. Look at the statistics I posted earlier today (added below)

We know that most who die with diagnosis covid-19 has one or more comorbidities

Scientists need time to dig into the data to have an more accurate view of the statistics, death cause covid-19 or hearth disease, diabetes.....

 

[windeguy]

Looks like we need to ban traffic to make up for CV19 deaths. Could that work in the DR?
It would also help a lot with social distancing if nobody ever went anywhere until they died of starvation or thirst.

 

[Africaida]

I have no faith in governments ANYWHERE.

Belief in government is not much of a factor for my moving here. There was a moron who was president when I arrived. Smarter people since him. There was a moron running the US government at the same time I moved here as well (and nobody I liked since then ).

It is cheap to live, there is no snow, sleet or freezing rain ever and I am not in a big city. Those were and are my original concerns along a lack of hurricanes and more recently avoiding CV19. I as able to move here at the age of 48 and never have to work again.

And you sound extremely happy, I wanna be like you when I grow up. 💃

 

[zoomzx11]

The Covid lock down will be looked at in the rear view mirror as one of the greatest disasters in world economic history and much of it done for political reasons or follow the leader and CYA

What "leader" are you following?
No need to look to the future

Annual flu shots are released not often until they have targeted the strain of flu for each season.
Flu shots i feel are ineffective and I watched the residents of my mom's assisted living get their shots every year and yet flu would spread anyway.
And the flu shot always made my mother feel horrible for a week after.

Annual flu shots are released annually.
The labs take an highly educated guess as to what strains their vaccine will target and usually get it right.
A persons "feelings" are no basis to make the determination that flu shots are ineffective.
To make an intelligent decision on the efficacy of the flu shot you only need to take a look at the science.
Elderly people living in ACLFs get ill and have underlying medical conditions that make them vulnerable.
People often expect to feel ill following the flu shot and so they do but there is nothing in the shot that causes it.

Everyone is a tough guy until they get punched in the mouth.

Many are anti flu shot until the get the flu and spend a week in bed too sick to move.
Anyone recall as a kid being gravely ill and looking at the ceiling thinking they will never take feeling good for granted again?
I remember hearing my brother promising god to go to church every Sunday if only he gets over Strep throat.
Many people denied the masks and recommended precautions about CV19 until they got it.
The ones that survived are all over the tv news describing their foolish choices and offering up a new viewpoint.

The seasonal flu and CV19 do not know what a real tough guy you are.
Why take a foolish risk of serous illness over what you "think"

A shame for all those pandemic experts, virologists, epidemilogists to spend all those years in medical school and a lifetime working in public health only to have their hard earned advice ignored because someone "thinks".
In this instance thinking is dangerous.

 

[zoomzx11]

The CDC indicates that 0.6% of people who get CV19 die. The trade off being made is trying to limit the number of deaths well below the 0.6% amount with the damage done because of shutdowns. How will that trade off continue to be made is the question.

I make every effort to avoid catching CV19 but not because I am afraid of dying from it.
I am afraid of becoming so ill I wish I was dead.
You sound like one of the lucky people who have never been gravely ill.

Some years ago I spent a week in Brugal Clinic in P.P. with pneumonia.
I never knew a person could be this sick and still be alive.
CV19 appears to do the same.
Ever been so short of breath that you feel like you are drowning but still exchanging air?
That's CV19 and pneumonia.

Death comes for us all.
It is irrational with the small percent of deaths from CV19 to fear it will kill you.
How about you catch the disease from carelessness and recover yet you give it to your wife or kids and they die?

 

[zoomzx11]

People don't get the point that CV19 is here there and everywhere to stay unless and until there is a way to get herd immunity.
For herd immunity, an effective enough vaccine will be necessary. There is no way to know if there will be an effective vaccine.

There is a way to know their will be an effective vaccine, its called testing and is being done now.
Vaccines have been developed quickly and that is not the hard part.
What takes time and is very costly is the extensive time consuming process where the vaccine is given to thousands and thousands of people who are then carefully monitored.

The testing is so carefully done that a number of the trials were halted when only one person developed issues until the problem was determined to not be related to the vaccine.

Are you going to get the vaccine when it is released and deemed safe?

 

[windeguy]

I make every effort to avoid catching CV19 but not because I am afraid of dying from it.
I am afraid of becoming so ill I wish I was dead.
You sound like one of the lucky people who have never been gravely ill.

I am going to guess that many people have not been gravely ill. My second wife died of cancer in her early forties.
My only sibling died in his 60's, before my current age, from early onset Alzheimer's. So I guess that is "close but no cigar" for me
and near death experiences. Well, there was this time a guy came home early after I had a gig and ....

Some years ago I spent a week in Brugal Clinic in P.P. with pneumonia.
I never knew a person could be this sick and still be alive.
CV19 appears to do the same.
Ever been so short of breath that you feel like you are drowning but still exchanging air?
That's CV19 and pneumonia.


That sounds bad. I understand being on a ventilator is a miserable thing. Me? I would be a high risk CV19 case.

Death comes for us all.
It is irrational with the small percent of deaths from CV19 to fear it will kill you.
How about you catch the disease from carelessness and recover yet you give it to your wife or kids and they die?

I don't have any kids of my own that I know of . I had a vasectomy at 25 to prevent that from happening. Ah, the good old days.

By almost never going out, just to take people to the doctors or to government offices since April of this year and two short shopping trips this past week to La Sirena and Jumbo while getting certifications to get medical work done at the insurance company exactly how have I been careless? I have been out, meaning off my property, less than 10 times since CV19 hit the DR. Yep, I am ultra-carless. My risk of getting CV19 is from others that enter my space, not me giving it to them. That could always change.

 

[windeguy]

There is a way to know their will be an effective vaccine, its called testing and is being done now.
Vaccines have been developed quickly and that is not the hard part.
What takes time and is very costly is the extensive time consuming process where the vaccine is given to thousands and thousands of people who are then carefully monitored.

The testing is so carefully done that a number of the trials were halted when only one person developed issues until the problem was determined to not be related to the vaccine.

Are you going to get the vaccine when it is released and deemed safe?

I have not yet made that decision. I have nothing in general against vaccines, having had a number of them in my life. Never got a flu shot because they are relatively useless. But a CV19 shot? Perhaps. In a couple of years we can know if vaccines are effective. There is no way to know if a vaccine lasts for a year if you don't wait a year to find out.

 

[windeguy]

And you sound extremely happy, I wanna be like you when I grow up. 💃

Things actually worked out well. My friends are just starting to retire in the US. I am in a place where it is warm and I don't have to worry about working for anyone again.
I just got off the phone with a good friend in Colorado . He cannot go outside because the smoke from the wild fires is so bad.

In several years CV19 might die down to a dull roar. Time will tell.