Motorcycle Licenses and Illegal Aliens

SKY

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with SENASA, yes - private clinics are a problem.

Here in Cabrera/Abreu. we have an excellent doctora who looks after me at the public clinic
You have been here a long time. If you had a serious medical problem that needed hospitalization would you go to a Public Hospital? Because that is where you would end up with this Govt. Plan...............
 

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Of course not. I refer to people who overstay in the DR as illegal aliens.

Paying a fine before or after you are still illegal according to the law if you stay more than 30 days on tourist card.
I am sure you remember a long time and well respected poster on Dr1 that went under CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC who has since passed on.

He was in the DR for about 30 years on a Tourist Visa. He owned and drove cars here for 30 years, had car insurance, a home. Even worked in a Dominican Hospital for many years. He traveled extensively in and out of the DR. Payed the overstay fee dozens of times with no problems of any kind.

He is a good example of your “illegal alien” I presume……………….
 

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I am sure you remember a long time and well respected poster on Dr1 that went under CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC who has since passed on.

He was in the DR for about 30 years on a Tourist Visa. He owned and drove cars here for 30 years, had car insurance, a home. Even worked in a Dominican Hospital for many years. He traveled extensively in and out of the DR. Payed the overstay fee dozens of times with no problems of any kind.

He is a good example of your “illegal alien” I presume……………….
A perfect example of an illegal alien. There could be no other term. He would have been the poster child for illegal aliens, eh?

Now back to how an illegal alien gets a class 1 Dominican motorcycle license and the helmet sticker with his license plate number.

By the way, MSM and liberal douches in my home country changed how they refer to illegal aliens. the legal definition did not change from that exact term.
 

SKY

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A perfect example of an illegal alien. There could be no other term. He would have been the poster child for illegal aliens, eh?

Now back to how an illegal alien gets a class 1 Dominican motorcycle license and the helmet sticker with his license plate number.
I say he is a perfect example why there is NO NEED to go join the "Residency Merry go Round" for thousands of Dollars and more than a Decade of aggravation. When I got citizenship in 2004 it was a snap and for a very fair price. NOT NOW.........
 

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I am sure you remember a long time and well respected poster on Dr1 that went under CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC who has since passed on.

He was in the DR for about 30 years on a Tourist Visa. He owned and drove cars here for 30 years, had car insurance, a home. Even worked in a Dominican Hospital for many years. He traveled extensively in and out of the DR. Payed the overstay fee dozens of times with no problems of any kind.

He is a good example of your “illegal alien” I presume……………….
I am that CC had a work Visa....etc. He was an excellent shoveler of Bovine Excrement so what he said may have not been true.
 

SKY

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I am that CC had a work Visa....etc. He was an excellent shoveler of Bovine Excrement so what he said may have not been true.
I knew him personally. Did you? What I said about him is absolutely TRUE.....................And shame on you for your cheap shot at a dead man.................
 

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I say he is a perfect example why there is NO NEED to go join the "Residency Merry go Round" for thousands of Dollars and more than a Decade of aggravation. When I got citizenship in 2004 it was a snap and for a very fair price. NOT NOW.........
Then riddle me this: I moved here from California in 2003. I had reapplied for a driver's license in California just before I left in the hopes they would renew it and mail it back to me. I also had to declare I was no longer a California resident or they would have continued to tax me in that state that I no longer had a domicile in.
I never got that renewal of my driver's license and had no other place in the world where I could get a driver's license. So a main reason I became a resident at the time was because I needed to have a driver's license.

SKY, how could I have gotten a driver's license without being a legal resident in the DR? Just pay someone enough money in the DR to get me one without being legally here?
 

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Then riddle me this: I moved here from California in 2003. I had reapplied for a driver's license in California just before I left in the hopes they would renew it and mail it back to me. I also had to declare I was no longer a California resident or they would have continued to tax me in that state that I no longer had a domicile in.
I never got that renewal of my driver's license and had no other place in the world where I could get a driver's license. So a main reason I became a resident at the time was because I needed to have a driver's license.

SKY, how could I have gotten a driver's license without being a legal resident in the DR? Just pay someone enough money in the DR to get me one without being legally here?
Who said he had a DR license? Not me, you. This is the DR, not NYC. I know a guy that drove with a General's card if he got stopped. Worked the same as your license, maybe better.........................
 

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Who said he had a DR license? Not me, you. This is the DR, not NYC. I know a guy that drove with a General's card if he got stopped. Worked the same as your license, maybe better.........................
Read my question to you. Your response has nothing at all to do with my question.
 

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Read my question to you. Your response has nothing at all to do with my question.
Who cares whether you have a license or not. Or how you got it. This is about CCCCCCCCCCC who did NOT have a DR license but drove here for 30 years.......................You have been preaching this nonsense for over 10 years. And still NO ONE on this board has had any "illegal alien" problem.

Carry on without me..................
 

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Who cares whether you have a license or not. Or how you got it. This is about CCCCCCCCCCC who did NOT have a DR license but drove here for 30 years.......................You have been preaching this nonsense for over 10 years. And still NO ONE on this board has had any "illegal alien" problem.

Carry on without me..................
This topic had ZERO to do with CC when I posted it. You seem to be a bit delusional today.

It is about the new regulations to get a sticker and a class 1 license to drive a motorcycle legally. That is the topic.
How could I or anyone else get such a license in the DR while being an illegal alien?

The answers trend to it doesn't matter if a gringo ignores the law because they will never be stopped.
 

william webster

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You have been here a long time. If you had a serious medical problem that needed hospitalization would you go to a Public Hospital? Because that is where you would end up with this Govt. Plan...............
Well, living in Cabrera, if you are seriously ill or in dire straits - they move you on.
The local community - public or pvt clinic - is not equipped to handle such things...
 

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I'm not sure what most of this back and forth has to do with the OP or the DR but as long as the DR Gov'T is not enforcing most of this regarding me, tourists or ex-pats then I don't care. I plan to never again own a moto nor drive one.

Even I met CCcccccccCcCccc, and there was no BS in him. No filter either, and HIS posts I miss ;)
 
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Not sure what is so hard to understand. When entering the DR you are allowed a certain amount of time, you over stay then you would be considered "out of status". Some term it as "illegal" but it is the same for any country. Over stay the allotted time given at entry then you are out of status. Sure there is a "work around" no one is denying that. It is a personal decision period. Driving,etc..here on an overstayed tourist visa/entry is a personal decision. Some choose not to chance the possible consequences of that and they get residency, citizenship, etc... I got citizenship a very very long time ago when it was a very simple process based on my marriage to a Dominican Citizen. And for the record I do not believe everything everyone posts on DR1 or tells me in person. I would rather go by facts.
 

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I'm not sure what most of this back and forth has to do with the OP or the DR but as long as the DR Gov'T is not enforcing most of this regarding me, tourists or ex-pats then I don't care. I plan to never again own a moto nor drive one.

Even I met CCcccccccCcCccc, and there was no BS in him. No filter either, and HIS posts I miss ;)
That's kind of the whole issue with all of this discussion. Winde, I don't really understand why you keep asking the same question "How could I or anyone else get such a license in the DR while being an illegal alien?" when you yourself answered it in the OP, basically, you can't.
Then the question becomes, does it matter? Currently, no it doesn't, because not even the DIGISETT cares, as you so delicately call it "gringo pass". While I've been living here I've always been legal, mostly because I've always felt the need to protect myself in case they do start enforcing the laws. However, I did first get my DR license after 6 years of living here. And during that period I was stopped 2 times, one time for not wearing a seat belt, and another time for only having 1 headlight on. I just showed my foreign license, and that was it, never asked me for a DR license.
So is it really necessary? Well, that's a personal question, according to the law, yes. According to reality? No, as already been proven over and over and over again, there are many "gringos" who are driving around without a DR license and have been for years, without any repercussions. So even though it's "technically" illegal, it's not enforced by the government that made the laws, then they are toothless.
And I also don't really understand why you keep referring to it being illegal to drive with a foreign driver's license after 90 days, where do you find that information?
Because according to Intrant's Decreto 6-19 article 29 paragraph 2: "Si su titular no acreditara la residencia legal en República Dominicana, las licencias internacionales solamente serán válidas para conducir en la República Dominicana si no han transcurrido más de seis (6) meses desde su entrada en territorio dominicano en situación regular".
So even if you are an "illegal" alien here in the DR, you can still use your foreign driver's license for 6 months, NOT 90 days.

So although I personally am happy that I've always been legal while being here, to avoid if they (although unlikely) will start enforcing all migration laws if someone decides not to get legal residency, it's their personal choice. The end of it all is still that it's currently totally possible to live here for an extended period of time without having any residency here. But that can change, who knows.
 
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That's kind of the whole issue with all of this discussion. Winde, I don't really understand why you keep asking the same question "How could I or anyone else get such a license in the DR while being an illegal alien?" when you yourself answered it in the OP, basically, you can't.
Correct. But isn't the resulting discussion fascinating on such a simple point?
Then the question becomes, does it matter? Currently, no it doesn't, because not even the DIGISETT cares, as you so delicately call it "gringo pass". While I've been living here I've always been legal, mostly because I've always felt the need to protect myself in case they do start enforcing the laws. However, I did first get my DR license after 6 years of living here. And during that period I was stopped 2 times, one time for not wearing a seat belt, and another time for only having 1 headlight on. I just showed my foreign license, and that was it, never asked me for a DR license.
So is it really necessary? Well, that's a personal question, according to the law, yes. According to reality? No, as already been proven over and over and over again, there are many "gringos" who are driving around without a DR license and have been for years, without any repercussions. So even though it's "technically" illegal, it's not enforced by the government that made the laws, then they are toothless.
And I also don't really understand why you keep referring to it being illegal to drive with a foreign driver's license after 90 days, where do you find that information?
That information on the law has been posted on DR1 and until it was found and posted, I had incorrectly assumed a license when entering on a tourist card was valid for 30 days.
Because according to Intrant's Decreto 6-19 article 29 paragraph 2: "Si su titular no acreditara la residencia legal en República Dominicana, las licencias internacionales solamente serán válidas para conducir en la República Dominicana si no han transcurrido más de seis (6) meses desde su entrada en territorio dominicano en situación regular".
So even if you are an "illegal" alien here in the DR, you can still use your foreign driver's license for 6 months, NOT 90 days.
By Kricke87, you found a statute that conflicts with the other I have seen posted by others on DR1 that indicate a foreign license is valid for up to 90 days from date of entry. I stand corrected if this 6 month rule supersedes the one I had previously seen.
So although I personally am happy that I've always been legal while being here, to avoid if they (although unlikely) will start enforcing all migration laws if someone decides not to get legal residency, it's their personal choice. The end of it all is still that it's currently totally possible to live here for an extended period of time without having any residency here. But that can change, who knows.
Who knows indeed. I have given up hope that the government will actually enforce laws. It is too hard for them to do so.
 
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Correct. But isn't the resulting discussion fascinating on such a simple point?

That information on the law has been posted on DR1 and until it was found and posted, I had incorrectly assumed a license when entering on a tourist card was valid for 30 days.

By Kricke87, you found a statute that conflicts with the other I have seen posted by others on DR1 that indicate a foreign license is valid for up to 90 days from date of entry. I stand corrected if this 6 month rule supersedes the one I had previously seen.

Who knows indeed. I have given up hope that the government will actually enforce laws. It is too hard for them to do so.
Wow, you've gone the full distance today on this topic. I left for a bit to comply with work, but you've hung in there from what I see. Your gusto is absolutely admirable.